In regards to this thread, it may be perfectly true that gender is a totally mental construct.Hmmnn. Wow such authority on the subject. Please explain how you think gender is "a totally" mental construct. Explain now. Please, go ahead. Let's hear your ideas on how gender is a mental construct.
In regards to this thread, it may be perfectly true that gender is a totally mental construct.Hmmnn. Wow such authority on the subject. Please explain how you think gender is "a totally" mental construct. Explain now. Please, go ahead. Let's hear your ideas on how gender is a mental construct. If they were to argue that the mind of a transgender was biologically more inclined to be the opposite gender due to higher levels of testosterone/estrogen, then we'd have at least some common ground for discussion, but the idea that they believe that it's completely a mental construct baffles me.
In regards to this thread, it may be perfectly true that gender is a totally mental construct.Hmmnn. Wow such authority on the subject. Please explain how you think gender is "a totally" mental construct. Explain now. Please, go ahead. Let's hear your ideas on how gender is a mental construct. If they were to argue that the mind of a transgender was biologically more inclined to be the opposite gender due to higher levels of testosterone/estrogen, then we'd have at least some common ground for discussion, but the idea that they believe that it's completely a mental construct baffles me. There you go. The best approach here is to ask, "What makes an ordinary woman of 31 years mentally construct that she is a women?" The answers are readily available in biology. It genes, it's brain structure itself, hormones, chemicals, psychological/behavioral identity. Different organs and appendages-genitalia. But I'd still like to hear how some of these folks think gender is "totally" a mental construct. Well they can't do it. So they try to hijack vocabulary and use language as their only defense by insisting that sex and gender are separate things. Gender and sex have always meant the exact same thing until recently. They both have meant are you male or female?...as indicated by your birth certificate. As indicated by what you would normally identify as 99.999% of the time in people.
In regards to this thread, it may be perfectly true that gender is a totally mental construct.Hmmnn. Wow such authority on the subject. Please explain how you think gender is "a totally" mental construct. Explain now. Please, go ahead. Let's hear your ideas on how gender is a mental construct. If they were to argue that the mind of a transgender was biologically more inclined to be the opposite gender due to higher levels of testosterone/estrogen, then we'd have at least some common ground for discussion, but the idea that they believe that it's completely a mental construct baffles me. There you go. The best approach here is to ask, "What makes an ordinary woman of 31 years mentally construct that she is a women?" The answers are readily available in biology. It genes, it's brain structure itself, hormones, chemicals, psychological/behavioral identity. Different organs and appendages-genitalia. But I'd still like to hear how some of these folks think gender is "totally" a mental construct. Well they can't do it. So they try to hijack vocabulary and use language as their only defense by insisting that sex and gender are separate things. Gender and sex have always meant the exact same thing until recently. They both have meant are you male or female?...as indicated by your birth certificate. As indicated by what you would normally identify as 99.999% of the time in people. Then we go onto the next part of the argument. They ask me when the discrimation ends. I'll ask when does it ever begin? How about I one day say that I'm a cat, and I now demand that all restaurants make litterboxes available for my personal needs lest I sue them. I feel confident that DarronS will support me on my feline needs, and call everyone a bigot who dare tell me I'm not a cat. Spam filter is going wild again.
They ask me when the discrimation ends. I'll ask when does it ever begin? How about I one day say that I'm a cat, and I now demand that all restaurants make litterboxes available for my personal needs lest I sue them. I feel confident that DarronS will support me on my feline needs, and call everyone a bigot who dare tell me I'm not a cat. Spam filter is going wild again.I sask when will the discrimination against the discriminators end? These Left Wing Loonies are saying that parents that don't want that stuff taught in their schools are ignorant or bigots. Who would want their children taught that TG is normal? Who would want their kids taught that people who think they are cats are normal? Why would anyone teach that a person who wants to be Handicapped should be allowed to have their legs amputated? Because they "identify" as amputees? How is this bigotry? I wouldn't want the story of Creationism taught in schools. Why would I want scientific facts to be mangled up in other ways? ie Gender is a mental construct. No, Transgender is a Mental Construct. That much is known.
In regards to this thread, it may be perfectly true that gender is a totally mental construct.Hmmnn. Wow such authority on the subject. Please explain how you think gender is "a totally" mental construct. Explain now. Please, go ahead. Let's hear your ideas on how gender is a mental construct.Oy you missed my point. I didn't say it was a mental construct, I was saying EVEN IF it was determined to be that way, as some suggest, it's an advanced concept, too much for current day, and liberals don't seem to understand this.
Oy you missed my point. I didn't say it was a mental construct, I was saying EVEN IF it was determined to be that way, as some suggest, it's an advanced concept, too much for current day, and liberals don't seem to understand this.That's fine. And I didn't miss the distinction of what you wrote. Nonetheless many others have said it...and you were implying it could be true. Which obviously it can't be true. It's not a maybe proposition. Now TG is a mental construct. Unless of course someone can show a particular subject had a chemical/hormonal imbalance or the extremely rare condition of being born with dual genital sets. Male and Female. What is that called again? I can't think of the term. But then again, that would only fortify what we are already saying, wouldn't it? That it is not a mental construct.
My first thought of why a person should be able to correct definitions of their gender on their records is because it is in their gender.People, the gender scale slides with almost every single offspring of almost every single species with our strategy of procreation. It is not anything new. I am completely confused about what you're saying here.
The gender scale of estrogen on one side and testosterone on the other favors each and every one of us, one way or the other and sometimes it's like flipping a coin to discover if 50 out of 100 ever happens (of course it will so keep flipping). There is absolutely nothing new about this very normal outcome of some outward looking males or females having mixed feelings. Their personal scale of hormones are indigenes to themselves. Often masked to ovoid awkward social instances (you know)DarronS I think your'e the only one who could answer this properly.
What ever happened to X Y chromosomes?
Did that get quietly swept under the rug too?
That’s old hooey science!
What ever happened to X Y chromosomes? Did that get quietly swept under the rug too? That's old hooey science!Oh no! Gender is now limitless. If I'm a gay dragon fairy unicorn who needs a litter box, then you as an employer must now accommodate my needs. Gender is now defined by the individual, and has NO ROOM for a social standard. You bigot!!!!
Hope this helps. Biological sex is identified based on the external genitalia (i.e. penis or vagina) and gonads (i.e. testes or ovaries) present in an individual. In contrast, gender identity refers to the self-identification in the brain of an individual as female or male. Most of the time sex and gender identity go hand in hand. However, unusual genetics may lead to biological sex ambiguities, discrepancies, and gender identity confusion. http://www.scq.ubc.ca/genetics-of-sex-and-gender-identity/Gender identity is the Torjan horse of physical sex. You see it all the time now where men are crossing the sports barriers because they can now claim they are a woman. Society doesn't want to find ways for people to cure themselves of gender dysphoria by using proven drugs of the past. This is seen a being wrong, but using drugs to exacerbate the mental illness is socially promoted.
My first thought of why a person should be able to correct definitions of their gender on their records is because it is in their gender.People, the gender scale slides with almost every single offspring of almost every single species with our strategy of procreation. It is not anything new. Bingo. Not one person on this thread has presented a rational argument explaining why they oppose allowing people to choose gender. I have a transgender friend whose mother was having trouble getting pregnant so took estrogen to help, and continued taking it after getting pregnant. She stopped the estrogen after learning she was pregnant, but her fetus had already absorbed excess treatment estrogen. My friend was born male but always felt like a female trapped in a male body. After decades of mental anguish and suicidal thoughts he underwent gender change surgery and has found peace as a woman. She is married and has continued her successful career. Luckily her company and coworkers are enlightened and open minded, unlike many of the people who have posted on this thread.
My first thought of why a person should be able to correct definitions of their gender on their records is because it is in their gender.People, the gender scale slides with almost every single offspring of almost every single species with our strategy of procreation. It is not anything new. Bingo. Not one person on this thread has presented a rational argument explaining why they oppose allowing people to choose gender. I have a transgender friend whose mother was having trouble getting pregnant so took estrogen to help, and continued taking it after getting pregnant. She stopped the estrogen after learning she was pregnant, but her fetus had already absorbed excess treatment estrogen. My friend was born male but always felt like a female trapped in a male body. After decades of mental anguish and suicidal thoughts he underwent gender change surgery and has found peace as a woman. She is married and has continued her successful career. Luckily her company and coworkers are enlightened and open minded, unlike many of the people who have posted on this thread. The only reason you find it to be a rational argument is because it's something you agree with. You just discard what everyone else says as irrational. I didn't have a problem with you that you disagree. My problem is that you used the same dumb labels that I've seen the alt left use over and again. btw I think just yesterday Berkeley just showed us once again just how tolerant modern day liberals can be at differing opinions. As for AMH I don't think you guys ever really read my argument. I'm not saying that people cannot mentally say that their mind works more like the opposite gender. I argued as to why should the rest of 99.99% of the population have laws written to accommodate a fraction of the population when it greatly affects the rest of us? Do you really think it's right for men to get into women's sports? I don't see hormone therapy as a solution to this in any way.
I'm not saying that people cannot mentally say that their mind works more like the opposite gender. I argued as to why should the rest of 99.99% of the population have laws written to accommodate a fraction of the population when it greatly affects the rest of us?The law can and will certainly provide these people with protections. Of course those protections and laws begin to bump up against what other people feel their rights and needs for protections are. It's an ideological fight. It is a fight that is heavily lobbied for by the LGBQTXYZ factions. The real fight will take place in the court of public opinion and what the public is willing to bear. These lobbies are not done either. They have other things on their agenda. They will continue to lobby to have science texts erased, medical journals rewritten, and criminal codes rewritten. Next up will be a fight to "educate" the public on Laws of Consent and statutory limits on age of consent. Believe it! They'll take anyone under their umbrella. Look what it's founded in. Originally it was gays. A group that has had to fight hard to get the majority to see them as normal. Now it's Transgender. Fight hard to get the public to believe that that is normal. What do you think is next? You think it ends with this?
How do transgender people “greatly affect” you Exmachina?
How do transgender people "greatly affect" you Exmachina?Since you didn't answer my question, I'm going to assume that you think men in womans sports is okay.
Read the IOC rules.
I see nothing wrong with this as the scientific concensus is the men who are allowed to compete in women’s sports have no advantage.
There is very little consensus by doctors and scientists on the IOC’s recommendation.
In fact the guidelines went under further scrutiny after that article was written.
The IOC had to come up with arbitrary numbers on the amounts of hormones that TGs are allowed to be tested for.
Seems the sports world isn’t too keen on Doping. Which is exactly what this transgender issue amounts to.
And lot’s of other competing athletes aren’t happy about it either. Go figure!
Doctors and scientists are struggling to find a fair median level at which transgender people keep their artificial hormone levels at.
Period!
So it looks like the Olympics are just bending under social pressure to allow some people to use doping while it is not allowed for others.
The IOC has rushed this through to meet the pressures of Interest groups who threaten revenue streams/advertisers for the IOC.
Because the Olympics are all about money. We see this all the time.
In my brief little research on this matter I saw nothing but articles that eschewed “old science” and did everything they could to
celebrate the cause of diversity and LGBQT rights.
It’s doping plain and simple. Cheating. It’s weird.
What do these levels of intense competition and Identity Disorders do to people?
It’s been going on in the circus of the Olympics for along time.
There is very little consensus by doctors and scientists on the IOC's recommendation. In fact the guidelines went under further scrutiny after that article was written. The IOC had to come up with arbitrary numbers on the amounts of hormones that TGs are allowed to be tested for. Seems the sports world isn't too keen on Doping. Which is exactly what this transgender issue amounts to. And lot's of other competing athletes aren't happy about it either. Go figure! Doctors and scientists are struggling to find a fair median level at which transgender people keep their artificial hormone levels at. Period! So it looks like the Olympics are just bending under social pressure to allow some people to use doping while it is not allowed for others. The IOC has rushed this through to meet the pressures of Interest groups who threaten revenue streams/advertisers for the IOC. Because the Olympics are all about money. We see this all the time. In my brief little research on this matter I saw nothing but articles that eschewed "old science" and did everything they could to celebrate the cause of diversity and LGBQT rights. It's doping plain and simple. Cheating. It's weird. What do these levels of intense competition and Identity Disorders do to people? It's been going on in the circus of the Olympics for along time.So you can't ROID up, but it's ok to roid down.