Trans-identity has gained some real steam since I 2010 when I argued with Occam

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I ask any and everyone to look at this and see where the problem lies.
Yes, you asked for it and I pointed it out to you. Don't complain now. I look forward to your explanation of where you believe I went wrong in this.

I like watching people dig holes for themselves.

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Yes, you asked for it and I pointed it out to you. Don’t complain now. I look forward to your explanation of where you believe I went wrong in this.

I like watching people dig holes for themselves.


Ok, so you’re not going to answer my question and I’m not going to bother explaining.

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I like watching people dig holes for themselves.
I'd read your previous posts and looked to find common ground between us, but there had always been something not right about what you had been saying. You had done a great job bringing people to understand where you are coming from, but you've always displayed the inability to think outside of your own box. This single statement comes full circle making it clear that you really don't care what others have to say unless it agrees with you.
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Aawww…

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Mockery has become the highest form of flattery in a world that had become a joke, so thank you! ?

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but OK, as I said, I’ll go sit in the corner and not ask to see scientific studies on this to learn more about the subject, because I’m wrong for doing so. -- Mriana
I don't know what you are talking about. I've stated a few times, and provided the RadioLab link, that there is no science that can definitively tell you what gender you are. We all know how to look at genitals and make the obvious distinction, but what happens when that is ambiguous, and since it can be ambiguous, what does that tell us? What about hormones, science tells us men are in a certain range for testosterone and women in a lower range, but those ranges overlap. The DNA test for XX and XY works most of the time, but genes also have things that activate them, and for some people, they are not activated. There's more science, and as yet, I haven't heard you respond or comment or show that you've looked into any of it. Instead, you talked about your feelings about your gender, which is not science.
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Ok, so you’re not going to answer my question and I’m not going to bother explaining. -- @mitch70
I don't have time to sort out every thread, and when people seem to be avoiding a question, that makes it even more difficult. You said something about "explaining where you went wrong", now it seems you are not going to do that, or maybe I misread it, or you mistyped something. I don't see a question from you to Write4 that has gone unanswered.
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Alright, just to show how stupid this is, look at this list. The headlines call this “58 genders”. It’s not even 58 and many are not genders, many of these are the same words, just abbreviated differently, or they have trans and trans*. I don’t know why and don’t care. When you have to exaggerate and misrepresent things, you’ve lost your argument. When you say cis man, you are simply stating that it’s a man who agrees that their gender is what their birth certificate says, you aren’t adding a gender. What else would you like to call that?

The following are the 58 gender options identified by ABC News:

Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-Spirit

 

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Sorry, Lausten I had meant to go back to this link that you sent as I had planned to read it over. For some reason I couldn’t find it, so I’m glad that you referred to the link. I’ll read it over now.

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People should be able to be who they are without fear of violence or discrimination.

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To a point. People should also fit into the society they live in.

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What a boring world that would be.

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And be cookie cutter people? Uniqueness is important. Why go along with Country music if you like Disco? I love Disco and wouldn’t go to a Country bar. I would go to Studio 54 if it still existed. Just because you like Country music doesn’t mean I have to, just because society says Disco is dead. It’s not though. It evolved into Dance, Trance, Rave, House, EDM, etc.

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It’s very overrated.

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Uniqueness maybe overrated for you, but obviously not for me. I love being unique. Maybe that has something to do with being an only child and on one side of my family, the only grandchild, but being unique is very important to me.

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Society should reflect the people that make it. In Ursula Le Guin’s The Lathe of Heaven, a man gets the ability to change reality by dreaming, but he doesn’t have control over those dreams. His doctor tells him to dream of a world without racism and he changes everyone to be gray skinned. Of course it doesn’t really fix anything because racism is about power and control, so something else would replace the skin color barriers.

Cultures evolved to have some space and when that became scarce, to fight over resources. We either keep killing each other until we’ve used up everything in the fight, or we learn to live with the differences that are completely natural and are in fact the thing evolution uses for survival

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It always does. That’s why most people dislike transgenders, because most of us are normal.

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That is the definition of “normal” that has caused pain for so many for so long. Conformity should be limited to the essential acts that result in a peaceful society, like not breaking into each other’s house, or caring for children. But the majority should not rule over how people feel or how their particular chemical makeup determines their personality. When it causes harm, like a chemical imbalance that gives someone pleasure for hurting others, then their feelings don’t override conformity for the sake of civility, but we still should treat them with compassion, even while restraining them from acting on their feelings. Loving someone doesn’t hurt anyone. Someone else’s attraction to another consenting adult doesn’t harm anything. Wearing clothes that don’t match the current predominant culture doesn’t hurt others.

The harm comes from those who don’t want people to express their feelings. So, your definition of “normal” means telling others what they can say and think is acceptable.

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Barbra Streisand- Prince of Tides voice: I don’t know what normal is, but you’re anything but dull.

Most of us are anything but dull.

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Blaise Pascal, a French philosopher has said: “Truth below the Pyrenees, error beyond”

It means that what is " normal " for one, can be abnormal for another one.

A not so silly example: It is not normal that a man wears skirts for many people as it feminize them.

Try to say that to a Scott !

Try to say that to a south-east Asian man who wears the traditional sarong, even in official and ceremonial circumstances.