The burden of proof is for the proponents of gender-assignment to produce, rather than for skeptics, because it is they who wish to contradict natural gender states…
You are making a huge assumption that people who wish to change their gender are acting out of a biological need rather than a psychological one. Where’s your evidence?
As for shallow thinking, well, it is shallow thinking to automatically think people are driven by genuine biological needs, rather than current societal trends, i.e., the feminists who would eliminate any natural differences in men and women and influence vulnerable people to question their sexuality.
You are using the word ‘bigotry’ as a convenient label with which to contradict any skeptical examination of the gender-reassignment phenomenon without providing any real scientific data which supports the case. Your post is strewn with meaningless slogans and generalizations which have no immediate bearing on the matter at hand.
You cannot link to any scientific studies regarding gender roles because there are none that have any scientific validly and at best, are highly controversial and unproven. You’d be better to link to mental health issues in relation to gender-reassignment subjects.
You mention beliefs, but it’s not and should not be a question of beliefs, but of a healthy skepticism about claims that anyone can make about their sexuality that may be attributable to reasons other than claimed.
People make odd claims all the time but that doesn’t mean we necessarily take their claims on face value, and in this case, it seems to me that it is you, sir, who choose to belief the claims of, perhaps mentally disturbed individuals, who are probably in need of psychological help rather than surgical procedures.
You are making a huge assumption that people who wish to change their gender are acting out of a biological need rather than a psychological one.No, I am not. If you read the ;post about my transgender friend you'll see that I recognized her psychological need. What is wrong with changing gender because of psychological need?
You are making a huge assumption that people who wish to change their gender are acting out of a biological need rather than a psychological one.No, I am not. If you read the ;post about my transgender friend you'll see that I recognized her psychological need. What is wrong with changing gender because of psychological need? Because it is invasive. Surgery should only be a last resort.
That is a personal choice. What gives you the right to prevent other people from making that choice?
You are making a huge assumption that people who wish to change their gender are acting out of a biological need rather than a psychological one.No, I am not. If you read the ;post about my transgender friend you'll see that I recognized her psychological need. What is wrong with changing gender because of psychological need? Because it is invasive. Surgery should only be a last resort. It usally is.
You are making a huge assumption that people who wish to change their gender are acting out of a biological need rather than a psychological one.No, I am not. If you read the ;post about my transgender friend you'll see that I recognized her psychological need. What is wrong with changing gender because of psychological need? It annoys bigots.
We’ve certainly seen evidence off that in this thread.
I fought about this so hard in the past, but I guess this is just not the group to have this discussion with. Is it semantics? Maybe the definition of gender isn't the same definition as a person sex. Ok I get that, but I think now the rules have changed. You can now define your gender, and anyone who does not accept your definition is an intolerant hater who needs to be shut down for their hateful speech. I tried warning everyone about this, but here we are. Do you move forward with the thinking that gender is a subjective concept, or is there any standard we can all live by?Yes, whatever "gender" you think you are is the correct one for you. It's a pretty simple standard. Why should you be concerned with other people's gender identity? It sounds as if you are having a problem with yours. I can't see any other reason anyone would be upset about otherpeople's choices. Why should you care how another person identifies his or her "gender"? Are you afraid wanting to choose the opposite one might be catching? You sound vulnerable to such a dilemma. LL
I used the edit “function” to put a space between “other” and people’s. I got this message:
"The form you submitted contained the following errors
“Computer says your input might be spam, so it was discarded.”
WOW! An extra space constitutes spam!
I fought about this so hard in the past, but I guess this is just not the group to have this discussion with. Is it semantics? Maybe the definition of gender isn't the same definition as a person sex. Ok I get that, but I think now the rules have changed. You can now define your gender, and anyone who does not accept your definition is an intolerant hater who needs to be shut down for their hateful speech. I tried warning everyone about this, but here we are. Do you move forward with the thinking that gender is a subjective concept, or is there any standard we can all live by?Yes, whatever "gender" you think you are is the correct one for you. It's a pretty simple standard. Why should you be concerned with other people's gender identity? It sounds as if you are having a problem with yours. I can't see any other reason anyone would be upset about otherpeople's choices. Why should you care how another person identifies his or her "gender"? Are you afraid wanting to choose the opposite one might be catching? You sound vulnerable to such a dilemma. LL I ask questions because I want to get perspective. You seem like a person who thinks asking means vulnerability.You sound like a person who has an idea and has to win, so in that regard, we're different. Darrons sound much the same way as you do.
You are making a huge assumption that people who wish to change their gender are acting out of a biological need rather than a psychological one.No, I am not. If you read the ;post about my transgender friend you'll see that I recognized her psychological need. What is wrong with changing gender because of psychological need? Because it is invasive. Surgery should only be a last resort. It usally is. I can't believe we actually agree on anything.
That is a personal choice. What gives you the right to prevent other people from making that choice?Ok so you argue that sex is invalid, but definition of gender is all that matters. Does this mean that a person should be able to label themselves as any gender they like?
I think this could easily be resolved by saying a person sex. What sex are you? Male, Female, Hermaphrodite. I’d be willing to have bathrooms for the 3rd option.
After discussion with the Mods, Vyazma's account has been suspended. Darron, as you well know your post as well is out of line. We understand and recognize that you have reason to be upset given recent tragic circumstances you mention. Our condolences. But please do refrain from name-calling on the Forum as it is against the rules.I get that these discussions get heated, but PLEASE don't let political correctness run this forum. If you believe in free speech, then let people whom disagree speak their minds. Edit How long has he been banned for?
I fought about this so hard in the past, but I guess this is just not the group to have this discussion with. Is it semantics? Maybe the definition of gender isn't the same definition as a person sex. Ok I get that, but I think now the rules have changed. You can now define your gender, and anyone who does not accept your definition is an intolerant hater who needs to be shut down for their hateful speech. I tried warning everyone about this, but here we are. Do you move forward with the thinking that gender is a subjective concept, or is there any standard we can all live by?Yes, whatever "gender" you think you are is the correct one for you. It's a pretty simple standard. Why should you be concerned with other people's gender identity? It sounds as if you are having a problem with yours. I can't see any other reason anyone would be upset about otherpeople's choices. Why should you care how another person identifies his or her "gender"? Are you afraid wanting to choose the opposite one might be catching? You sound vulnerable to such a dilemma. LL I ask questions because I want to get perspective. You seem like a person who thinks asking means vulnerability.You sound like a person who has an idea and has to win, so in that regard, we're different. Darrons sound much the same way as you do. Thanks, I take that as a compliment.
That is a personal choice. What gives you the right to prevent other people from making that choice?Ok so you argue that sex is invalid, but definition of gender is all that matters. Does this mean that a person should be able to label themselves as any gender they like? Yes, of course. And what's it to you?
That is a personal choice. What gives you the right to prevent other people from making that choice?Ok so you argue that sex is invalid, but definition of gender is all that matters. Does this mean that a person should be able to label themselves as any gender they like? Yes, of course. And what's it to you? That is exactly what's going on. People are now adding new labels to what their gender is. So far there are about 60 genders (and counting) that people are making claims to such as hirs, queer, fairy, cis, etc... Does this really sound like a solution?
I fought about this so hard in the past, but I guess this is just not the group to have this discussion with. Is it semantics? Maybe the definition of gender isn't the same definition as a person sex. Ok I get that, but I think now the rules have changed. You can now define your gender, and anyone who does not accept your definition is an intolerant hater who needs to be shut down for their hateful speech. I tried warning everyone about this, but here we are. Do you move forward with the thinking that gender is a subjective concept, or is there any standard we can all live by?Yes, whatever "gender" you think you are is the correct one for you. It's a pretty simple standard. Why should you be concerned with other people's gender identity? It sounds as if you are having a problem with yours. I can't see any other reason anyone would be upset about otherpeople's choices. Why should you care how another person identifies his or her "gender"? Are you afraid wanting to choose the opposite one might be catching? You sound vulnerable to such a dilemma. LL I ask questions because I want to get perspective. You seem like a person who thinks asking means vulnerability.You sound like a person who has an idea and has to win, so in that regard, we're different. Darrons sound much the same way as you do. Thanks, I take that as a compliment. Somehow I'm not surprised.
That is a personal choice. What gives you the right to prevent other people from making that choice?Ok so you argue that sex is invalid, but definition of gender is all that matters. Does this mean that a person should be able to label themselves as any gender they like? Yes, of course. And what's it to you? That is exactly what's going on. People are now adding new labels to what their gender is. So far there are about 60 genders (and counting) that people are making claims to such as hirs, queer, fairy, cis, etc... Does this really sound like a solution? It's not a solution, it's a non issue.
This idea of gender identity is found mostly in the LGBT community and no where else. Personally I have no problem with how anyone defines their gender. As for “bigots” attacking the LGBT community I have also found that the vast majority who make these claims are genuine bigots and should be called out an pointed out.