The war of China ? what are the triggers, what are the potential threats?

If we sent tanks to Puerto Rico, a lot of people would have a problem with that. It would be more likely the 25th Amendment would get invoked. You need to start using some actual evidence for your arguments. That is the intention of this forum. The rules are under FAQ in the upper right menu.

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Yes French economy is suffering, but by rising up this point, you try to change the subject, and implicitly recognize that China economy is unwell. You are using a classical parlor trick

Thanks for agreeing with us about the bad state of Chinese economy.

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Only in terms of the collapse of capitalism, not just locally, but globally, manifesting itself into many crises simultaneously. Each country has been facing its own internal economic and political crises, source of social upheavals and class struggles. Compounding these issues, the world is also confronting catastrophic crises, all at once. Both national and international crises aggravate each other and the result is progressive rotting and decline of capitalism worldwide.

We discuss these regularly. Please contibute.

IF Capitalism were collapsing, that would be a good thing, Capitalists have too much power, especially in various governments. However, I’d like to see evidence that Capitalism is collapsing.

Capitalism is in crisis yes. Collapsing, I am not so sure.

The matter is that totalitarianism and authoritarian states are set up in place to confort it.

Any way, neither can solve the main crisis. I mean the environmental one.

Nathan Rich forensically/historically recaps why Taiwan is inarguably part of China

Nathan speaks fluent Mandarin, lives in China.

He moved there after making a mint in the US as a largely freelance computer sytems designer/analyst for several major Wall St. multi-nationals.

So he’s obviously a Commie propagandist. :joy:

He goes through the documentary evidence with the Cario convention of 1943 where the great powers signed off all lands stolen from china by japan to be returned to be Republic of China which the communists were part of the govt back then. Since then the USA has recognised the Peoples Republic of China as the representative govt of china.

He also showed the united states declaring taiwan is important in terms of strategic position for a military base and a USA insurrection in Taiwan has nothing to do with human right democracy or self determination

Well, that’s typical. After spending days calling others childish and claiming to have a wider view of the world, we get a discredited youtuber as evidence. It could be immediately dismissed based on the 80-year-old documents that it uses to make its case, but let’s dig a little further. Let’s try to find the guy’s history, and find out his millions were self-reported, then scrubbed from Wikipedia. He has not been able to run away from his difficult past however.

There’s nothing on this guy except the others on the internet either cheering him or arguing with him. Basic fact checks on his lectures show that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

The only thing I’m curious about at this point is why @michaelcrawford is listening to Rich. How did he determine that his history is accurate, and others are not? So far, michael’s comments have been statements of what is obvious, broad comments on the collapse of power. I don’t expect anything more. Either he’s just bad at vetting news, or he has some reason for supporting China.

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Propaganda and ideology are one thing, History and other facts are another one.

  1. Taïwan was Chinese from 1644 to 1895 when it became Japanese. Kuomintang took control in 1945.

[History of Taiwan - Wikipedia]

  1. Taïwan people don’t want to become subjects of continental China. They know that the present continental government is an authoritarian state, unable to respect treaties ad Human rights. The case of Hong-Kong has showed that undoubtedly.

Nathan’s case for why Taiwan is inarguably part of China is so strong that opposing views only option is use character assassination against him

When facts get in the way

And this support my views : Taiwanese don’t want to come under the government of continental China.

United Kingdom gave up Ireland which it had governed from 1171 to 1922.

History cannot justify every thing. Things change, People change. .

Dont want independence so the US should mind its own business

USA just want to defend Taïwan if attacked by China !!! And in fact, Taïwan was separated from China when the nationalists took refuge there after the victory of the communists.

To claim Taïwan independence would be to admit that there are two legitimate China. Neither the nationalists, neither the communists are ready for that.

Taiwanese want to stay separate from the continental China but feel that they are part of China.

Does that entitle the government of continental China to invade Taïwan ? I say no !

The status quo is that

“The notion that Taiwan and China do not have a claim to each other’s territory and that this situation amounts to the status quo found support among 77.7% of the respondents”

Which means it’s none of China’s business if Pelosi visits there.

And checking his facts

That would be nice. Bring it on

Did you check them? Or did you just pass this on?

Nathan used primary sources to make his case. Thats why time and effort went into attacking his character just as all right wingers do when they cant mount a reasoned response

Pulling up documents from 1943 and old video and mixing them into a narrative is not the same as using primary sources to describe history.