The Shame of America

It’s best I leave the talking to Senator Cory Booker on this one.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtSmDuCXqGE

Sen. Cory Booker condemns the Capitol riots during the debate over the Electoral College vote after a violent mob occupied the same building moments before. Aired on 01/06/2021.
 

It’s going to be interesting to see how many ‘Republicans’ manage to screw up their conscience and patriotism enough to condemn what happened today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/01/06/dc-protests-trump-rally-live-updates/

A man wearing a white “Make America Great Again” hat and a red bandanna loomed above the throng, close to the camera. Bending his arm at the elbow, he brought his hand to his hat, then stuck it straight up and out with his palm facing down, mimicking a gesture used during World War II to express loyalty to Adolf Hitler.
And who is it that these people are worshipping, the same guy that did everything he possibly could to make the COVID pandemic as bad as possible

https: //coronavirus . jhu. edu/map . html

A detailed timeline of all the ways Trump failed to respond to the coronavirus The federal coronavirus response shows a president dead set on avoiding responsibility for the pandemic.

By Cameron Peters, Jun 8, 2020

vox . com/2020/6/8/21242003/trump-failed-coronavirus-response


 

Timeline of Trump’s Coronavirus Responses

https://doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trump-s-coronavirus-responses

 

May 2018
The Administration disbands the White House pandemic response team.
July 2019
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency left her post, and the Administration decided to eliminate the role.
October 2019
“Currently, there are insufficient funding sources designated for the federal government to use in response to a severe influenza pandemic.” [Crimson Contagion exercise findings]
January 22
“We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
January 24
Trump praises China’s handling of the coronavirus: “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
January 28
“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency…This is going to be the roughest thing you face" Trump’s National Security Advisor to Trump
January 30
"The lack of immune protection or an existing cure or vaccine would leave Americans defenseless in the case of a full-blown coronavirus outbreak on US soil,…This lack of protection elevates the risk of the coronavirus evolving into a full-blown pandemic, imperiling the lives of millions of Americans.” [Memo from Trump Trade Advisor Peter Navarro]
February 2
“We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 7
“It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu… This is deadly stuff” [Trump in a private taped interview with Bob Woodward, made public September 9]
February 10
“I think the virus is going to be—it’s going to be fine.”
February 10
“Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”
February 24
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25
“CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 27
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

March 9
During a news conference, White House officials say the U.S. will have tested one million people that week and thereafter would complete 4 million tests per week. By the end of the week, the CDC had only completed a paltry 4,000 tests.
March 9
“This blindsided the world.”
March 10
“Just stay calm. It will go away.”

May 16
“We’ve done a GREAT job on Covid response, making all Governors look good, some fantastic (and that’s OK), but the Lamestream Media doesn’t want to go with that narrative, and the Do Nothing Dems talking point is to say only bad about “Trump”. I made everybody look good, but me!”
May 18
U.S. death toll passes 90,000

June 22
U.S death toll passes 120,000
June 23
“Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country, and ever expanding. With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!”
June 23
“It’s going away,”
June 25
“The number of ChinaVirus cases goes up, because of GREAT TESTING, while the number of deaths (mortality rate), goes way down. The Fake News doesn’t like telling you that!”

August 19
New York Times reports in December 2020 that Trump yelled, “You’re killing me! This whole thing is! We’ve got all the damn cases…I want to do what Mexico does. They don’t give you a test till you get to the emergency room and you’re vomiting,” at Jared Kushner during a August 19 meeting.

August 19
New York Times reports in December 2020 that Trump yelled, “You’re killing me! This whole thing is! We’ve got all the damn cases…I want to do what Mexico does. They don’t give you a test till you get to the emergency room and you’re vomiting,” at Jared Kushner during a August 19 meeting.

August 26
U.S. death toll passes 180,000
August 31
“We’ve done a great job in Covid but we don’t get the credit.”
August 31
Six million Americans have now been infected by the coronavirus.

October 12
“When this first came out, if we didn’t do a good job, they predicted 2.2 million people would die, we’re 210,000. We shouldn’t be at, one, it’s China’s fault. They allowed this to happen.”

October 19
“People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They’re tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots…Fauci is a nice guy. He’s been here for 500 years.”
October 19
“They are getting tired of the pandemic, aren’t they? You turn on CNN, that’s all they cover. ‘Covid, Covid, Pandemic, Covid, Covid.’ You know why? They’re trying to talk everybody out of voting. People aren’t buying it, CNN, you dumb bastards.”
October 20
Politico reports that The White House is considering slashing millions of dollars for coronavirus relief, HIV treatment, screenings for newborns and other programs in Democratic-led cities that President Donald Trump has deemed “anarchist jurisdictions.”

January 1
U.S. surpasses 20 million COVID-19 cases
January 3
U.S. death toll passes 350,000

 

Making America Great Again they and trump call it.

maga dude.

What the dotard’s dumpster people did was uncalled for, yet his minions are saying it was really Antifa (not a thing) and BLM who did it. They’re being really stupid acting like they know better than those dotard flag, the Confederate flag, and alike. The Repugs have been ruined by this attempted coup. Then they try to say that the Dems encouraged riots by BLM and Antifa, which isn’t true and they didn’t riot. They were attacked by the dotard’s fascist police. The dotard should have been impeached and locked up months ago. Now they really need to invoke the 25th amendment, because he’s too dangerous to stay in office until Jan 20. This is not currently the U.S. I know. This is not how transition goes in the U.S. We have peaceful transitions even if we are disappointed of the outcome.

My regrets to my USA family, to the American people for what just happened.

Happily, Trump was not backed by any institution or man in place with power. Even the vice-president, the Senate Republican majority leader and Ted Cruz let him down on this Coup d’Etat.

But Trumpism is far from dead.

 

 

So, when the Burn Loot Murder crowd burns, loots and murders the liberals cheer them on. When the conservatives protest a stolen election it is decried as an assault on the nation.

The only reason most conservatives follow and vote for Trump is not that we like him or his tweets but that we hate, and I do mean HATE, the idea of globalism, communism and communism’s little brother socialism. Half the people in this country, and more than half of the voters in the 2020 election, see the Dem’s policies as an existential threat to the nation and our way of life.

What we saw at the capitol last night was only a tiny indication of the real underlying anger and rage felt by half our population. If the Dems try and push more socialism and big government control down their throats, like they did with Obamacare, this country could explode. There is no telling what could trigger it; probably something relatively small that is seen as just too too much. I will be surprised if it doesn’t happen and if it isn’t really ugly.

The only reason most conservatives follow and vote for Trump is not that we like him or his tweets but that we hate, and I do mean HATE, the idea of globalism, communism and communism’s little brother socialism. Half the people in this country, and more than half of the voters in the 2020 election, see the Dem’s policies as an existential threat to the nation and our way of life.
So then why did they vote for Biden?

Apparently 80 million more voters saw trump as a DIRECT threat to the nation and our way of life.

Imagine what the turnout, and margin would have been without all the voter suppression.

Republicans are finally dropping Trump. I’m not surprised at the actions “QAnon Shaman” and the other wackos, but I’m amazed at how much support Trump got from the highest offices. There were 14 declared senators, ready to back the battle against the electoral college, it might have been even more. After the Capitol was cleared, it was down to 6.

Ted Cruz is the main instigator, likely to carry the next flag into the next attempted coup. 5 other deep south people are with him, but Stacey Abrams will no doubt infect the neighboring states with democracy.

Half the people in this country, and more than half of the voters in the 2020 election, see the Dem’s policies as an existential threat to the nation and our way of life. -- Bob
We know the rhetoric Bob. You don't need to keep repeating it.
There is no telling what could trigger it; probably something relatively small that is seen as just too too much. -- Bob
We know exactly what triggered it. Two of them had microphones and a literal platform yesterday morning.
I will be surprised if it doesn’t happen and if it isn’t really ugly. -- Bob
Yesterday's events did not surprise me at all. Only that it took this long for them to actually happen. Nor was I surprised that a small team of DC police kept everyone safe, harmed only a few of the terrorists, didn't even tear gas any children or dogs. The conspiracy theorists are a disorganized bunch and had no chance against the power of my government.
So, when the Burn Loot Murder crowd burns, loots and murders the liberals cheer them on. When the conservatives protest a stolen election it is decried as an assault on the nation. -- Bob
How much of that do you actually believe? You never respond to anyone who responds to you, so I assume you aren't even a real person, or that you are and you don't think about anything you say. I have never supported any burning and looting. The protests last summer were against the police killing people for minor offenses. BLM never stormed the Capitol. When they were there to protest last year, the steps were lined with rows of fully armed police in riot gear.
Happily, Trump was not backed by any institution or man in place with power. --
What? He is backed by the most powerful country in the world for another 13 days.

Whatever you think of the man, don’t underestimate his anger and the motives behind. And it is true that this anger has been fuelled by years of misinformation.

2 points:

-Liberals and democrats are socialists and communists: From an european point of view, this is a bad joke.

Socialists are against the free enterprise,and want, at least limits its freedom, communists want to change the social order and to institute the collective property of factories and business: Who is socialist or communist among the democrats and the liberals?

-For many people socialism begins with a state welfare system and collective health insurance. For them, Germany, Boris Johnson England, Italy, France are socialist and communist countries.

True matter is that socialism and communism have been used as scarecrows by too many people and that nobody gives a damn about the meanings of the words. In fact, ask some one accusing democrats and liberals of being communists, what he means by this word, I am almost sure that he will be unable to give a coherent definition, representing what these theories are really, applicable to Liberals and Democrats.

And I would say that in fact, they would agree about many concrete topics

 

Stupid white American, too dumb to recognize most all you have comes from European origins?

Why hate community, especially in a world you’ve demanded to get way the f too over populated with hungry humanity?

Why is collective health system considered satanic - can you answer that?

Why is it only you who has a right to suck off the government?

Why do corporations get to rob the people and our government blind?

Why are you so convinced that only your own selfish (and self-destructive) interests matter???

 

@morgankane01, In fact, ask some one accusing democrats and liberals of being communists, what he means by this word, I am almost sure that he will be unable to give a coherent definition, representing what these theories are really, applicable to Liberals and Democrats.
Yeah and you are exhibit one for that.

Have anything rational to say about socialism ~ communism, or about community ~ democracy, how about law and order, or respect, or duty???

FYI,

“THEY’RE BEING TOLD TO STAY AWAY FROM TRUMP”:

AFTER A DAY OF VIOLENCE AND 25TH AMENDMENT CHATTER, TRUMP’S ALLIES ARE JUMPING SHIP

White House Counsel Pat Cipollone is reportedly warning West Wing staffers to avoid Trump for legal reasons, and even Stephen Miller thought Wednesday was atrocious. Will Mike Pence bring out the big guns?
BY GABRIEL SHERMAN, JANUARY 7, 2021

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/after-a-day-of-violence-and-25th-amendment-chatter-trumps-allies-jumping-ship

As the violent mob incited by President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, some West Wing staffers panicked that they were possibly becoming participants in a coup to overthrow the government. “What do I do? Resign?” one nervous White House staffer asked a friend on Wednesday afternoon, shortly after news broke that a woman had been shot and killed inside the Capitol. The West Wing staffer told the friend that White House Counsel Pat Cipollone was urging White House officials not to speak to Trump or enable his coup attempt in any way, so they could reduce the chance they could be prosecuted for treason under the Sedition Act. “They’re being told to stay away from Trump,” the friend said. The White House declined to comment.

Cipollone’s purported concern that Trump was committing treason––a federal crime––illustrates the chaos and fear of Wednesday’s unprecedented events. At least one staffer isn’t waiting to flee the ship. On Wednesday night, CNN reportedthat Stephanie Grisham, the former White House communications director and Melania Trump’s current chief of staff, resigned over the Trump-inspired riot. As staff quit or steer clear, Trump is increasingly isolated and alone. According to a person close to the White House, Trump refused to take calls on Wednesday from business leaders who wanted him to call off the insurrectionists. A former West Wing staffer said Republicans were texting and calling Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to lobby him to intervene, but Meadows wasn’t answering. …

@morgankane01, In fact, ask some one accusing democrats and liberals of being communists, what he means by this word, I am almost sure that he will be unable to give a coherent definition, representing what these theories are really, applicable to Liberals and Democrats.
Yeah and you are exhibit one for that.

Have anything rational to say about socialism ~ communism, or about community ~ democracy, how about law and order, or respect, or duty???

Sorry, I don’t know how to quote on this forum.

  1. To answer a saying by a personal attack does not help the debate to progress.

  2. I have 2 Master 2 in political science, each got with essays of roughly 100 pages. The first essay name was " Critical analysis of the doctrine of the socialist party "

  3. I gave some hints in my post:

-socialists want to limit free entreprise to prevent it to crush the people

-communists want to collectivize business… .

Now, as you ask :

Communism for dummies?

(Google translation)

Let’s go, while simplifying thousands of pages… (From memory and while trying to be most honest possible, it is a summary, nothing more, not a criticism)

Communism is an idea, that of the pooling of the whole of the essential goods. To each one according to its needs. … It is an old idea. The doctrine was formatted by Marx.

Marx defined his thought as the synthesis of German philosophy, French sociology and the English political economy.

Economy:

Marx extended the studies of the English classical economists.

The value of a good depends on the quantity of work which is directly or indirectly built-in there. The current economic system, known as capitalist, is founded on the private appropriation of the capital, i.e. the means of production. An employee contributes to the production of goods and services. He yields his labour force to the capitalist and this one uses it to produce goods and services. Part of the goods and services produced are sold to ensure his remuneration. The surplus, once deduced first, the cost of the materials, of external services, investments, etc constitutes the added value that the owner of the means of production keeps for himself.

In fact, the labour force of the employee is used to produce a quantity of goods and services higher than the value of that force, equal to its cost of reproduction.

The capitalist system is thus founded on the exploitation of the man by the man, i.e. by the appropriation by the capitalists of the labour force of the employees. The capitalist system is condemned to extend and include all planet, to destroy the other modes of production and to incorporate in the commercial sphere the whole of the human relations. (Badly not seen in 1850). As it can survive only while extending, it is condemned to decay during the day when it will not be able to grow any more.

Sociology:

The evolution of the society starts with the division of the labour. That implies the specialization and the appearance of the social classes. The place of the individuals in the society is determined by their place in the system of production. The individuals who occupy a similar place form a social class. The social classes are in permanent conflict, more or less opened, for the division of the added value and the property of the means of production.

A given society is constituted according to the existing system of production and the long-term history is that of the passage of a system of production to another. Thus, in the feudal system, the essential good for the production of tangible properties is the earth. Those who control the ground, the lords, form the dominant class. The peasants form the dominated class.

The developments of the productive forces, the appearance of the merchant, allow the appearance of a new social class, the bourgeoisie. This one reverses the feudal order and founds a new society, the capitalist society. The function of the State is to keep the social order, i.e. to guarantee the perenniality of the system of domination. It has ideological and repressive apparatuses, the army, church etc…. In the capitalist system, the principal classes are the capitalist class and the formed proletariat of the productive employees and their families. There are other classes but they are subordinated to the capitalist class.

Philosophy:

Materialism: the matter is all, the conscience of the man, his spirit are not separated from his body. The thoughts of the men are born from their material conditions of existence, of their place in the process of production of the tangible properties. (Process meaning the methods and proceedings of production). The capitalist system controls the ideological production and the ideology of the dominant class constitutes the dominant ideology.

An ideology is a system of ideas, of representation which translates the vision of the world by the individuals. The man is alienated because it is dispossessed of his labour force, exploited, because is reduced to the statute of good, because his conscience of the world is distorted by the dominant ideology. In fact, he is not any more owner of himself.

Lastly, the revolution…. Pass by the throwing down of the capitalist State, and during a phase of transition, by the installation of dictatorship of the proletariat. This one does not constitute a dictatorship with the traditional meaning but the replacement of a class by another. The communist society supposes the disappearance of the exploitation, the social classes and the State.

For those which that interests: a novel of SF of Ursula K Guin describing an anarchistic society: “The Dispossessed” which is even worth being read for himself.

 

 

 

 

The events of yesterday were a consequence of the years of rhetoric and general leadership “style” of our current President and his cabinet, I think. Other world leaders see it and for that matter I believe any reasonable, thinking person sees it.

At this point, those who continue to rationalize the approach of POTUS and his upper level followers are far too soaked in the Kool Aid. How does one handle a person who is incapable of participating in valid forms of debate, and who likely is unaware of what rational leadership does and does not look like?

Perhaps the next POTUS and cabinet will be able to steer the country into more civilized forms of conflict but progress will likely occur nonetheless, I think.

-socialists want to limit free entreprise to prevent it to crush the people
Ah yeah, try to expand your perspective:
FACT SHEET: OFFSHORE CORPORATE LOOPHOLES

https://_americansfortaxfairness_org/tax-fairness-briefing-booklet/fact-sheet-offshore-corporate-tax-loopholes/

Key Facts
Tax avoidance through offshore tax loopholes is a significant reason why corporations, which paid one-third of federal revenues 60 years ago, now pay one-tenth of federal revenues.
U.S. corporations dodge $90 billion a year in income taxes by shifting profits to subsidiaries — often no more than a post office box — in tax havens.
U.S. corporations hold $2.1 trillion in profits offshore — much in tax havens — that have not been taxed in the U.S.
General Electric, which uses a loophole for offshore financial profits, earned $27.5 billion in profits from 2008 to 2012 but claimed tax refunds of $3.1 billion.
Apple made $74 billion from 2009-2012 on worldwide sales (excluding the Americas) and paid almost nothing in taxes to any country.
26 profitable Fortune 500 firms paid no federal income taxes from 2008-2012. 111 large, profitable corporations paid zero federal income taxes in at least one of those five years.

Talking points
We should end tax breaks for corporations that ship jobs and profits offshore. It’s time to invest in America and create jobs here. …


 

About twice as many of the largest U.S. companies reported they didn’t owe taxes in 2018 compared with previous years, a partial result of the 2017 Trump tax law, according to a report. By Kathryn Kranhold

https://. publicintegrity _org/inequality-poverty-opportunity/taxes/trumps-tax-cuts/you-paid-taxes-these-corporations-didnt/

The Center for Public Integrity is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates betrayals of public trust. Sign up to receive our stories.

Taxpayers are scrambling to make last-minute payments due to the Internal Revenue Service in just four days, but many of the country’s largest publicly-held corporations are doing better: They’ve reported they owe absolutely nothing on the billions of dollars in profits they earned last year.

At least 60 companies reported that their 2018 federal tax rates amounted to effectively zero, or even less than zero, on income earned on U.S. operations, according to an analysis released today by the Washington, D.C.-based think tank, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The number is more than twice as many as ITEP found roughly, per year, on average in an earlier, multi-year analysis before the new tax law went into effect. …


 

https://. itep _org/60-fortune-500-companies-avoided-all-federal-income-tax-in-2018-under-new-tax-law/

91 corporations did not pay federal income taxes on their 2018 U.S. income.
Read the follow-up report released in December 2019,
Corporate Tax Avoidance in the First Year of the Trump Tax Law.
Media Contact

An in-depth analysis of Fortune 500 companies’ financial filings finds that at least 60 of the nation’s biggest corporations didn’t pay a dime in federal income taxes in 2018 on a collective $79 billion in profits, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy said today.

If these companies paid the statutory 21 percent federal tax rate, they would owe $16.4 billion in federal income taxes. Instead, they collectively received $4.3 billion in rebates. The analysis, Corporate Tax Avoidance Remains Rampant under New Tax Law, examines 2018 corporate financial filings that have been released to date. It provides an initial, comprehensive look at how corporate tax cuts under the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act affected the tax-paying habits of corporations. …


 

How multinationals continue to avoid paying hundreds of billions of dollars in tax – new research October 3, 2019

https://. theconversation_com/how-multinationals-continue-to-avoid-paying-hundreds-of-billions-of-dollars-in-tax-new-research-124323


 

The enemy of the people isn’t the desire to help care for and live with each other -

The danger to the people is, are the ones with the “ProfitsUberAlles” mindset; and who have contempt from others; and who’s only interest is in gaining money and power; while crushing all who get in their way.

Well, I was not giving a personal opinion, I was just giving some basic concepts.

I more than agree with you … . Business needs to be restrained, Finance needs to be restrained.

I can add fact going in same direction:

While the richest 10% of adults in the world own 85% of global household wealth, the bottom half collectively owns barely 1%. Even more strikingly, the average person in the top 10% owns nearly 3,000 times the wealth of the average person in the bottom 10%. These are some of the results that emerge from a study of the distribution of household wealth undertaken for the UNUWIDER project on Personal Assets from a Global Perspective.

https://www.wider.unu.edu/publication/global-distribution-household-wealth#:~:text=While%20the%20richest%2010%25%20of,person%20in%20the%20bottom%2010%25.

I would add that the stakes are the survival of the planet.

 

Sorry, I don’t know how to quote on this forum. -- mm
Do you know what quote marks look like? They are the biggest icon on the bar above the edit box

The biggest shame is they didn’t light up any politicians in retaliation for the pathetic stimulus. For fu*** sake if you’re gonna go that far, go further.

But Trumpism is far from dead.
Yeah but it's badly wounded.