What liberal TDS said this, in reaction to the Mueller Report?

Politics and Social Issues
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Now, I won’t go into how a border wall will affect wildlife, especially endangered species, but I will stick to what Factcheck.org says about the dotard’s statements concerning the non-existent border crisis (and btw, I have friends who live in TX and they, as well as their friends don’t want a border wall nor do many living on the border).

El Paso has never been one of the most dangerous cities: Trump Wrong About Wall Effect in El Paso - FactCheck.org It has the third lowest crime rate, in 2005, 2006, and 2007 out the 35 largest cities in the U.S.

El Paso has long been a relatively safe city, even though it sits just across the Rio Grande River from sister city Ciudad Juarez, one of the most dangerous cities not only in Mexico, but in all of the world.

57 miles of 18 feet high fence was constructed in 2006 already (which he had nothing to do with) and finished in 2009. Apprehensions since the construction of this fence have dropped greatly from what they were and are still low, but the dotard can’t take credit for this.

"El Paso ... went from being one of the most dangerous cities in the country to one of the safest cities in the country overnight" after “a wall was put up” along the Mexico border. Speech in Louisiana – Monday, January 14, 2019

This statement was declared false by factcheck.org and as far as a border crisis that is false too. FactChecking Trump's Immigration Address - FactCheck.org Illegal border crossing continue to remain low. A wall won’t stop drug smuggling or human smuggling. Sadly, much of this stuff gets past legal ports of entry or POEs. FactChecking Trump's National Emergency Remarks - FactCheck.org

Lastly the “Fast and Furious” scandal. Not a truth to it: Trump Wrong About Obama Documents - FactCheck.org Of course, I can go to other fact checking sites if anyone would like, but unless they support the dotard like his propaganda pipeline Faux News does, they all say virtually the same thing. The dotard lies much of the time and tells very little truth.

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Who mentioned President Obama owing $40 mil due to the courts saying he did something illegal? I found this: Obama Not Ordered to Pay $400M Restitution - FactCheck.org If you meant that, again, there is no truth to what the dotard said.

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TimB, very few people in the caravans, in the spring, ever make it to the border: FactChecking Trump's Immigration Tweets - FactCheck.org It states out of 300 in a caravan, only 60 to 80 of them ever make it to Tijuana. All that the dotard says about caravans in the spring is fear mongering. That’s all it is. He’s only trying to stir up fear and the lowering you say is mental or whatever, is not wishful thinking, it’s facts, instead of propaganda and fear mongering.

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Thanks for confronting the lies about the border. I continue to believe that this administration’s most heinous actions, so far, were/are in taking young children from their families and shipping them off to secret locations, without even keeping track of who their family members were. I don’t believe in hell, but Trump deserves to go to such a place for that particular “zero tolerance” policy.

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That would be prison, but I don’t see Congress sending him to prison anytime soon.

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Radio lab is doing a series on the border. I caught a little bit of it where they were focusing on El Paso in 90s’. Nothing in there about it being a dangerous city.

 

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Mriana, you ask for 2020 runners that are changing their tune.

Corry Booker said, “we do have a problem at the border, Democrats should not deny that we don’t.” “Nations have borders and borders should be respected”.

That is a lot different than, Trump, “Trying to create a crisis with the border”.

Tim Ryan. A major fighter against the border wall. What he is now saying. “You can’t come to Ohio and the Great Lakes states and assure them about immigration without fist and foremost assuring people that you are going to protect their children. It has to be a lot smarter and more effective than it is now.”

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Mriana,

The United States demands that prior to being allowed entrance into our country, those wishing to immigrate must undergo a thorough, well-defined medical history and physical examination performed by a recognized, qualified physician, a medical evaluation that includes blood work and a chest X-ray. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), “The purpose of the mandated [pre-immigration] medical examination is to detect inadmissible conditions, including communicable diseases of public health significance, mental disorders associated with harmful behavior, and substance use or substance-induced disorders.”

Of the many diseases and conditions screened for in immigrant applicants, tuberculosis is likely the best known to the average person. Today, tuberculosis (TB) continues to be a major governmental health focus in immigrants, as the CDC considers TB “one of the world’s deadliest diseases.”

The Numbers. In 2015, TB disease was reported in 2,694 Hispanics/Latinos in the United States, accounting for 28% of all people reported with TB nationally.

In the end, it is hard to completely ignore the health risks posed by those whose entry into the country avoids medical examination and treatment. Whether you sit on the “build a wall” end of the spectrum or the “they’re just seeking a better life” end, accepting that treatable major health risks are freely entering into our general population is an unwise strategy, regardless of your political leaning (assuming those risks are meaningful, a debate we can have).

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Mriana,

2012 - 150 Million Adults Worldwide Would Migrate to the U.S. - Gallup News

2018 - More Than 750 Million Worldwide Would Migrate If They Could- Gallup News

Are open borders really logical in today’s world?

The average cost for one illegal immigrant in 2018 was $65,292.00 for the taxpayers. Not counting the local costs.

In 2018 we had over 700,000 young adults who came as children alone. We have more that a million unauthorized immigrants be protected from deportation right now.

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Mriana,

RE: climate change

We do not need oil. That is like saying we don’t need civilization.

All climate change is cause by human factors as far as I am concerned. The question is how much is Climate Change affecting Global Warming? Science says it has to have some affect. And that has been given a 3% change in Global Warming. Sea level rise has just been keeping up with Global Warming and we have none for Climate Change so far. We have gone from 20 feet, or 240 inches to 6 to 20 inches by 2100. The more we learn the less changes other than natures is taking place on earth.

Next, you must answer. Is Climate Change good or bad for the human race? That needs to be answered in a real debate.

I somewhat follow the Climate Change science as a hobby. Right now, one of the big questions is the University of Copenhagen did some mapping of the north coast of Greenland that suggests that the ice cover in the Arctic Ocean was greatly reduced some 6000-7000 years ago. The Arctic Ocean may have been periodically ice free. And of course, if true, then it is not good news for the computer models. All the data from the models is in error, again for the 100th time.

I disagree with you that Obama shutting down the pipeline was a good thing. Well maybe a good thing for other countries. And more emissions would have been produced in these other countries with that oil. Is that good for the earth?

Sure, wind and solar power is good. But, wouldn’t a smart person get the new systems up and operating and tested before changing to the new systems? Yes, of course. And Germany is not smart. They passed the laws and got rid of coal. They went to wind and solar. We, the taxpayers have been spending a lot of money setting up gas and oil for Germany. And we don’t even get a thank you. And Germany has the highest electricity prices in Europe both for households and industry. France changed the auto regulations for less emissions. And the people started wearing yellow vests.

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Mriana,

RE: Obama’s big tax increase.

I went to Factcheck. Posted on July 10, 2012

Q: Is the new health care law “the biggest tax increase in history”?

A: In raw dollars, perhaps. But several tax increases just since 1968 were larger as percentages of the economy, or in inflation-adjusted dollars.

The costs of Obamacare increased since 2012, that would have made it the highest in history. We can rule out percentages of the economy and just use inflation-adjusted dollars.

Mriana,

“Nothing has improved”, Not for the upper caste. Major improvements for the lower caste. And you say there is more jobs, but they are low wages. Unbelievable. Sorry, could not hold back. Hell, yes low wages. It is called supply and demand. Stop the immigration and the demand will increase and the wages will go up. The DNS is forcing low wages on our people and many people are working two jobs today.

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Mriana,

RE: ACA costs

The government has been picking up a lot of the costs of the ACA. And that needs to stop. It was only to take place for a few years to help the ACA get up and running. The government paid $6,832.14 for every enrollee in Massachusetts. $20,499.37 for every enrollee in D.C. and $35,749.00 in Hawaii.

Source: State Obamacare exchanges, Kaiser Family Foundation, and Pew Charitable Trusts

It is still uncertain how many people have paid for plans, and with the rising cost of healthcare, it is unknown how people will continue to pay for their plans.

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Mriana,

RE: The Second Depression

I know what you mean. My viewpoint. A depression, no jobs, soup lines. A recession, plenty of work, but no body can live off the wages of those jobs. And people just give up. Working for nothing is depressing. They would rather stand in a soup line than work for peanuts. Again, caused by supply and demand of labor. Know a carpenter who just gave up. He lived in San Diego. He was doing the finish wood molding on new house. The illegals would do a complete house for $50. He could not compete.

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Mriana,

Lastly the “Fast and Furious” scandal. Not a truth to it:

Brian Terry was killed in 2010 by an illegal immigrant with a weapon used in the botched Operation Fast and Furious. Fast and Furious led to increased violence and death in Mexico.

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curious

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It looks as though everyone gave you a pass. Guess it was too ludicrous to bother with, but I’m fascinated (well actually more like terrified) at the utter disconnect people display towards what’s in front of their eyes.

 

Now since I know you can’t even take physical reality seriously and need to subsume everything into your make-believe political narrative. Still the truth is our there. Just gotta poke around.

 

MikeYohe, April 20, 2019 at 11:12 pm -

“I can’t think of one lie of Trump’s.

I am having a hard time understanding where you are coming from.”


Okay, you asked for it Mike

Fact Checker Analysis

President Trump has made 9,014 false or misleading claims over 773 days

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/04/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days

Glenn Kessler, Salvador Rizzo and Meg Kelly

March 4

Update, March 17: As of 787 days in office, the tally is 9,179 claims

Powered by his two-hour stemwinder at the Conservative Political Action Conference on March 2 — which featured more than 100 false or misleading claims — President Trump is on pace to exceed his daily quota set during his first two years in office.

The president averaged nearly 5.9 false or misleading claims a day in his first year in office. He hit nearly 16.5 a day in his second year. So far in 2019, he’s averaging nearly 22 claims a day.

As of the end of March 3, the 773rd day of his term in office, Trump accumulated 9,014 fishy claims, according to The Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement uttered by the president.

Trump’s performance at CPAC is emblematic of his version of the truth during his presidency . . .

JUST ASKING QUESTIONS

Daniel Dale on Whether President Trump Believes His Own Lies

By Benjamin Hart, APR. 17, 2019

Daniel Dale Q&A: Does Trump Believes His Own Lies?

Daniel Dale, the Washington correspondent at the Toronto Star, has carved out a particular journalistic niche since 2016. On Twitter, where he has hundreds of thousands of followers, and on the Star’s website, he has developed a reputation for calmly but firmly documenting President Trump’s mistruths in real time — from big ones, like his claim that 3 million voters cast illegal ballots in the presidential election, to relatively small ones, like his fudging of countries’ financial contributions to NATO. Dale compiles all the lies in a database and tracks the president’s dishonesty over time, taking a quantitative approach to a presidency that often feels impossible to classify. Intelligencer spoke with him about why Trump lies, whether American journalists give him too much leeway, and his favorite presidential falsehood.

Almost every time Trump holds a rally, you’re live-tweeting it. And you recently wrote in the Washington Post that you do most of your fact-checking on your own time, “spending weekday nights and painful Sundays staring at rally transcripts in my pajamas.” I was wondering . . .

JURISPRUDENCE

All the President’s Lies

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/daniel-dale-president-trump-lies.html

Robert Mueller’s meticulous documentation of Trump’s falsehoods proves the president’s corrupt intent.

By JEREMY STAHL, APRIL 19, 2019

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/jurisprudence

False statements involving Donald Trump

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/

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I did not mean to give Mike a pass with his latest voluminous diarrhea of right wing talking point bullcrap. The flow was just too much to address all at once.

Re: Asylum seekers threatening America with TB and other diseases: Trumpublicans portray the asylum seekers as murderers, rapists, sex traffickers, agents of Drug Cartels, gang members, and now disease vectors. The few that could be left are supposedly here to blow our budget on social programs, or take jobs from citizens.

But just regarding the disease-ridden talking point. The administration was not at all shy about shipping a thousand of the asylum seeking children all about the nation to secret locations (after stripping them away from their parent/s). If there was such terrible danger of disease, one would think that we would be having outbreaks in all of the secret places that the children were absconded to.

 

 

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Re: The Affordable Care Act. No one ever claimed that the Act was perfect and would not need adjustments and fixes over time to be optimal. But fixing the deficiencies was NEVER going to happen with Republicans holding the power in both houses of Congress, and especially NEVER going to happen under Trumpublica. In fact, they not only NEVER considered fixing it, they REPEATEDLY, OVER AND OVER tried to kill it. When they couldn’t kill it, they have since been trying to, and succeeding in degrading it. They always claimed they were going to replace it with something better. That was always a LIE. They NEVER submitted a functional plan for replacement.

The good news, may be that their malfeasance could lead to an eventual medicare for all system.

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CC, can u tell me WTF Mike is talking about when he says this:

“…The question is how much is Climate Change affecting Global Warming? Science says it has to have some affect. And that has been given a 3% change in Global Warming. Sea level rise has just been keeping up with Global Warming and we have none for Climate Change so far…”

 

 

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CC: Thanks for the compilation of info about Trump’s lies. He is the most prolific liar that I have ever heard of. This is a most extreme character defect and, yet, he is our current POTUS. In fact, if he were not the most prolific liar I have ever heard of, he probably would not be our current POTUS.