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I hadn’t put this all together. Putin says Poland caused WW2. Trump says he’d encourage Putin to attack a NATO ally if they hadn’t paid their dues. US voters talk about Taylor and Kelce.

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Is she the git that promoted the steele dossier and gets paid millions for oiling the war machine?

Okay, so that’s your authority. Russell Brand a bad comedian.
Why am I not surprised.

As for the Steele Dossier, what of it?

Why the Discredited Dossier Does Not Undercut the Russia Investigation

New York Times - Dec. 1, 2021 - Charlie Savage

Donald J. Trump and his backers say revelations about the Steele dossier show the Russia investigation was a “hoax.” That is not what the facts indicate.

WASHINGTON — Former President Donald J. Trump and his allies have stepped up an effort to conflate the so-called Steele dossier with the Russia investigation following the indictment of a researcher for the document on charges that he lied to the F.B.I. about some of its sources.

Mr. Trump and his supporters have long sought to use the flaws of the dossier to discredit the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election — and the nature of numerous links between Russia and the Trump campaign — as a “hoax.”

But the available evidence indicates that the dossier was largely tangential to the Russia investigation. Here is a look at the facts.

What was the Steele dossier? …


The Steele dossier has always been misunderstood


  • The Hill

". . . In the case of Donald Trump, a firm called Fusion GPS was paid — at first by Republicans and then later by Democratic operatives — to do a deep background check on Donald Trump. The Steele dossier was just raw intelligence based on rumors about Trump. At the time of the investigation, it would have certainly made sense to find out everything possible about Trump and his Russian ties — there was certainly enough smoke around this topic.

There is always a danger that a source is misinformed or has an axe to grind. That is why collecting intelligence from a variety of sources (as in the Steele dossier) is essential, as is contextualizing the findings.

Donald Trump had a long history related to Russia in 2015 when Fusion GPS was commissioned, dating back to the 1980s when the Russians supposedly first targeted Trump as someone potentially useful to them. As reported by the founders of Fusion GPS in their book “A Crime in Progress,” their public records research was extremely concerning.

It showed, for instance, Trump’s ties to Russians who he might have helped to launder money through property deals. It made sense to do source inquiries considering what public records showed, the subject’s international profile and the high stakes of the investigation. …

What Steele found alarmed the veteran intelligence officer so much that he felt compelled to reach out to U.S. authorities, a rare event in a private investigation. The findings were shocking, but not far-fetched when contextualized with what the public records showed, and what was going on before our eyes.


The dossier was not the basis for the FBI’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.


The investigation began more than a month before the dossier reached the FBI, after Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos told a foreign diplomat that Russia had damaging political information on Hillary Clinton. This information was passed along to US authorities and prompted the FBI to begin investigating potential collusion.

According to a 2018 report from Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee following its own investigation, “The Federal Bureau of Investigation opened an enterprise counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign after receiving information related to Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos.”

So, . . . what of it?

“What Steele found alarmed the veteran intelligence officer so much that he felt compelled to reach out to U.S. authorities, a rare event in a private investigation.”


Aaron mate is the journalist that has looked into the Steele Dossier at depth and highlights here how it was paid by clinton, is based on a single source who has no ties with senior russian politicians and added to his report after events occurred only to be parroted by the likes of maddow to say his intelligence gathering was sound and true as the event occurred.

This description of The Grayzone sums up what I think about dadada

It is known for its critical coverage of American foreign policy,[1] misleading reporting,[25][26] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes.[4][21][27][28] The Grayzone has downplayed or denied the Chinese government’s human rights abuses against Uyghurs,[32] published conspiracy theories about Venezuela, Xinjiang, Syria, and other regions,[33][34] and published criticism of the Ukrainian government during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which some have characterized as pro-Russian propaganda.[31] The Grayzone has also strongly criticized Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip and occupied Palestinian Territories, specifically relating to its alleged war crimes against Palestinians and its violations of international law.

Grayzone writers such as Blumenthal and Aaron Maté acted as briefers on behalf of the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the United Nations at UN meetings organised by Russia.[35][36][37][38][39]

That adds nothing to the conversation. Points were provided in the clip to discuss and debate . Your post does the opposite - distract , deflect and deny.

Points and facts were made by Maddow about what people actually said this week and how they relate to history. You have addressed none of them.

Utube clip not loading in my country. Maddow’s form is to be a mouthpiece for the poweful

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Utube clip not loading in my country. Maddow’s form is to be a mouthpiece for the powerful.

And you know this how?
I find it interesting that you are prohibited from receiving free press by major independent news organizations.
Are you sure that your one-sided information sources are concerned with truth?

How can you be sure your sources are reliable?


Regarding World War 2 and Poland – every country has a different POV about the causes of wars. It doesn’t matter to us.

As for Trump “encouraging” Russia to attack other NATO countries – very uncouth, but an empty threat if there ever was one.

All I is hear is Putin being Putin and Trump being Trump.

For one thing - feeding the public garbage about the steele dossier in claiming it was definitive evidence for russiagate.

Why are you trying to feed the public that the Steele dossier was garbage?

Sarah Grant, Chuck Rosenberg

Friday, December 14, 2018, 8:00 AM

The dossier compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele remains a subject of fascination—or, depending on your perspective, scorn. Indeed, it was much discussed during former FBI Director Jim Comey’s testimony in front of the House Judiciary Committee on Dec. 7.

Published almost two years ago by BuzzFeed News in January 2017, the document received significant public attention, first for its lurid details regarding Donald Trump’s pre-presidential alleged sexual escapades in Russia and later for its role in forming part of the basis for the government’s application for a FISA warrant to surveil Carter Page.

Our interest in revisiting the compilation that has come to be called the “Steele Dossier” concerns neither of those topics, at least not directly. Rather, we returned to the document because we wondered whether information made public as a result of the Mueller investigation—and the passage of two years—has tended to buttress or diminish the crux of Steele’s original reporting.

The dossier is actually a series of reports—16 in all—that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence.

Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence. He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments.

The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product.

In that sense, the dossier is similar to an FBI 302 form or a DEA 6 form.


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Oh speaking about, if it quacks like a . . .

Who is the trumpster? Who’s the Putin trump is in love with?

Oct 19, 2023 #PoliticalPhilosophy #FionaHill

Isabel Hilton interviews Fiona Hill about her career as president advisor. What drew Trump to Putin - and what’s at stake in the aftermath of that friendship? Watch the full talk at https://iai.tv/video/the-life-and-phi…

Serving under three US presidents, Fiona Hill is one of the most highly distinguished foreign affairs specialists in the world. Born and raised in a Durham coal mining town, her father said ‘there is nothing for you here’. But from there to the White House and becoming one of the key figures behind the West’s strategy towards Putin, hers is a remarkable journey.

Interviewer Isabel Hilton uncovers Fiona Hill’s fascinating insights. #TrumpPutinFriendship #FionaHill #PoliticalPhilosophy Fiona Hill is one of the most highly distinguished foreign affairs specialists and authors in the world today. Senior advisor to Presidents George W Bush, Barack Obama and briefly Donald Trump, she is a former official at the U.S. National Security Council specializing in Russian and European affairs.

Because the Clinton camp and a compliant media ( Maddow), pushed the steele dossier as the evidence of trump being a Manchurian Candidate.

The primary source of the Steel dossier was Igor Danchenko who was charged by the Justice Department with making false statements to the FBI.:face_with_hand_over_mouth:

Maybe 10 years ago, but Russia is actually attacking other countries now.

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Yeah funny that buddy.

By Charlie Savage and Linda Qiu October. 18, 2022 - NewYorkTimes

And even before the jurors unanimously found Mr. Danchenko not guilty after deliberating for a day, the judge overseeing the trial, Anthony Trenga, took the extraordinary step last week of acquitting him on a fifth such count. The prosecution had failed to produce sufficient evidence for that charge to even go to the jury, he said.

WASHINGTON — Igor Danchenko, an analyst who provided much of the research for a notorious dossier of unproven assertions and rumors about former President Donald J. Trump and Russia, was acquitted on Tuesday on four counts of lying to the F.B.I. about one of his sources.

The verdict was a final blow to the politically charged criminal investigation by John H. Durham, the special counsel appointed by Attorney General William P. Barr three years ago to scour the F.B.I.’s inquiry into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia for any wrongdoing.

Mr. Trump and his supporters had long insisted the Durham inquiry would prove a “deep state” conspiracy against him, but despite pursuing various such claims, Mr. Durham never charged any high-level government officials.

Instead he developed two cases centered on the narrow charge of making false statements in outside efforts to scrutinize purported links between Mr. Trump and Russia. He crammed the indictments with extraneous material and insinuations that he thought Democrats had sought to frame Mr. Trump for collusion with Russia, though he did not charge any such conspiracy. …

Funny, not funny.

What we have here is a classic conspiracy theorist. Before the theorists can post junk in forums, people like Barr and Durham come up with phony charges, based on phony outrage about what the “others” are doing. But, we have a legal system, so they can do it, and it all has to be taken seriously, and time is spent laying out all the facts. Most people don’t follow that, and while the case is open, the news is, “so-and-so has been charged”.

I learned this when I was in middle school. There were a lot of indictments of officials at the time. Often, they would just resign. But that still doesn’t mean they were guilty. Indicted is charged. The ‘court of the public’ finds you guilty when you’re indicted. Some people figured that out and amazingly, the game still works.

What’s really weird is the short-term memory of the public works in conjunction with the lack of vocabulary. Even after the investigations are done, and it is shown that there is no real evidence, the fact that the person was “charged” gets repeated. That’s the tin-foil-hat part. Either, the entire system doesn’t work and the truth can’t be found or the guy didn’t do anything wrong.

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Relying on a headline rather than paying attention to detail is the trademark of a bad actor.

Danchenko explicitly told the FBI that

*corroboration for the dossier’s claims was “zero”;
*that he had “no idea" where claims sourced to him came from;
*that the Russia-Trump rumors he passed along to Steele came from “word of mouth and hearsay,” including alcohol-lubricated conversations with friends.

The Durham report says, “Danchenko characterized the information he provided to Steele as ‘rumor and speculation’ and the product of casual conversation.”

Somehow, Putin managed to do that without orders from Trump.

Other countries??? Youre on a campaign of spreading falsehoods