The West is Falling Apart - Now Macron says France Facing Civil War

General Discussion
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The Parti de l’égalité socialiste is the French section of an international trotskyste organisation. Totally unknown by anyone, except a very microscopic minority.

In France, the main medias are owned by the milliardaires. Not a surprise if they don’t give access to such a party.

But these same medias block left and promote ultra right.

French state give money to any candidate who get 5 % of the votes. In fact it pays for the electoral campaign.

In France, we have rules to limit the amount of money spent and the way it is spent, And there are controls.

After that, each party get public subsides, according the number of deputies and senators elected.

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The New Popular Front (NPF) is an amalgam of the bourgeois Socialist Party (PS) and Stalinism plus various renegades from Trotskyism who refute the political independance of the working class. For 45 years, Trotskyism has been falsely associated in France with the descendants of petty-bourgeois renegades from Trotskyism, who operate on the periphery or within the PS. It is they who are responsible for the rise of fascism. In fact until this “rebirth” of the NPF which will be short-lived, they had lost millions of votes to the fascists. The mass of workers are confused about an alternative as in the US where millions still vote the reactionary Democratic Party thanks to the pseudo-left.
The Trotskyiust Party in France, Parti de l’égalité socialiste was only founded in 2016. There was no Trotskyist party there for 50 years. So a little patience is required to educate workers and build i. In any case votes do not determine the outcome of the class struggle. President Macron has made that clear in announcing the threat of civil war.

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The New Popular Front (NPF) is not revolutionary, i agree.

I agree with you that because of their failures, they have lost millions of workers to the ultra right.

But they are fighting for democracy and freedom, and they want to give a share to the workers.

There is not immediate alternative except ultra-right.

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Can Macron Survive the Sea Change? | Col. Jacques Baud (Nima)

Interesting info/comment about Marine Le Pen’s National Rally party being infiltrated by French Communist Party members … see the vid (probably just before 07:00 etc.)

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Not time to fully watch it. I just scrolled it.
Many may be.

If you think there is something i must especially watch please give me the time.

Incidentally, the man says that left is more state and right is less state, which is patently false.

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The sentence has been given.

Left union is first, then Macronist alliance then ultra-right, then independent right remains.

No coalition can govern alone. In short, the electorate choose to distrust anyone to govern alone.

My interpretation :

first priority of the voters, to reject the policies of Macron and of the political class for 40 years
second priority of the voters, to reject ultra-right.

But nobody has any majority. The left cannot make the policy it promised and neither can Macron who wanted to go on.

The electorate wishes that Left and Macronists an agreement when everything opposes them.

It is almost impossible and if they do, the result will dissatisfy the electors.

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morgankane01
Off topic but recently I heard Sabine Hossenfelder
(even more off topic, I was living in Frankfurt when she was born in Frankfurt. :rofl: :cocktail: )

Okay, she was bemoaning the degradation of Deutschland’s once wonderful rail system (their experiment with privatization didn’t work out so good) and that Germans simply fell behind on maintaining, and developing because it cut into someone’s profits too much, and so on. Now they have a mess.
Which is really a shame, sad even, especially since I experienced those trains a lot during my three years in D & CH, and they were wonderful!

Past half century has been pretty harsh all around.

So Morgan, to my question. How bad is infrastructure and focus on sustainability in France? ( only made it into France once, as far as Lyon, then back into CH, and along the Rhine during a bike ride from Bodensee to Koblenz '76ish)

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If by infrastructure you mean roads, communication net, gaz an electricity nets, and so, it is so and so, rather good with signs of weaknesses, especially the drinkable water distribution net.

If you add schools, hospitals, police stations and public service, it was very good 20 years ago, and has been steadily losing in quality. And that’s one of the reasons of the progresses of ultra-right.

If by sustainability, you mean from an ecological point of view, i would say that globally, France is late but some efforts are made.

For instance, the Sustainable Development and Planning Project (PADD) is an essential element of the Local Urban Planning Plan (PLU or PLUi). It means that when a town establishes it Local Urban Planning Plan, it must establish a plan of sustainable development.

A law on zero artificialisation is effective. It means a ban on encroaching on agricultural or natural areas for new construction.

There is a big limit : The present French government is the defender of real estate developers and it wrongly blames planning laws and jurisdictional controls for the insufficient number of new constructions instead of calling into question real estate speculation, and its policy of restricting credits for the construction of low-rent housing

I am not sure i have answered your question. my answer is at best sketchy and except about some points more founded on feelings than on data.

What is true is that for the foreign investors, the state of the French infrastructures is very attractive.

[France - OECD Infrastructure Toolkit]

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:+1:

Thanks that was an excellent insightful response.

Others could learn from your example. :bouquet:

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Better than the predicted Right victory

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Couldnt read beyond the headline to realise its a hung parliament. Who will macron choose as prime minister ?

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I don’t think that’s a term. Multi party systems require cooperation.

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A hung Parliament is when no single political party wins a majority in the House of Commons. It is also known as a situation of no overall control.

We have this in France, right now. It is the first time for us since 1958.

It is more common in other countries. Usually, they build a coalition, or name a " technical government ".

Time will tell how the president and the French political parties will manage the situation.

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I guess that’s what I’m familiar with. Can you call it “hung”, right after an election? They haven’t met yet, they haven’t voted on anything as a body. They are not in a position to attempt to build a coalition until they are seated and using the powers the people just gave them. It would be like calling a jury “hung” after their first vote. Give them a chance to talk it about.

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There are three main blocs, incompatible.

Left wants an increase of the wages, an update of the public services, and to get money by taxing the rich, taxing the super profits of the big corporations, and suppressing some rebates on taxes, profiting only to the rich and to the big corporations. It wants to suppress the reforms of the pensions and unemployment systems.

Center wants to go on with its policy of lowering the taxes, and reforms which have angered the population.

Each of these two blocks is fractured.

Ultra-right wants to give priority to the French over the migrants, to attack the system which protects our liberties, is against Europe, and for liberal and anti-environment policies.

And last and least, there are remains of the ancient right.

France has not the culture of the political compromise.

Icing on the cake, part of the left does not want to support any government which does not apply fully its program as part of the center does not want to govern with part of the left.

Right now, we have a hung parliament. It can change, even if the probabilities are weak.

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Alot of bad ideas have come out of France. It’s difficult to know how seriously to take this Far-Right thing. Media love the Far-Right because it always makes a darn good news story
:slightly_smiling_face:

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What sort of ideas??? Why bad??

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Doesnt think hung parliament is a term. Thats so cringe

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Here’s a visual aid. I enjoy your commentary Morgan.

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Now the hung parliament would undoubtedly open the space for a new round of crisis.