The de-Westernization of the world

I am free to ask questions and you cant be more engaging then asking a question of what was previously said and you cant be more disengaging then telling someone go away and do your own research

Question; Was killing Bin Laden a terrorist act?

On April 14, 1986, the United States launches air strikes against Libya in retaliation for the Libyan sponsorship of terrorism against American troops and citizens.
U.S. bombs terrorist and military targets in Libya | April 14, 1986 | HISTORY

I see people killing innocents as terrorists and people killing terrorists as law enforcers.

This new paradigm of the meaning of terrorism is clearly demonstrated in the current Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Russia is engaged in a war of terrorism , but when Ukraine retaliates there are some people who say that Ukraine is engaging in terrorist acts.

That kind of tortured logic does not fly in my book. Terrorism is designed to terrorize , .
Engaging in just retaliatory action against terrorists is not terrorism. It’s justice.

In all military conflicts , the US tries to minimize civilian casualties, sometimes aborting entire missions for that very reason. There are mistakes …

Those words are fine, if we agree on their meaning. I say that’s possible. To the British, G Washington was a terrorist

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I see this as hairsplitting over easily understood terms.

Are you saying there is no red/blue divide in this country?

I’m saying my use of “we” in this context is easily understood as “America” by 99% of people.

And I’m saying it’s not. I’m saying a good third of people in this country feel that they have some idea of what America is and think everyone else is wrong. They say things like, “Those people are destroying America.”

My aunt said that George Soros is meddling in the affairs of other countries and those countries should be supported in keeping them out of their affairs. I can tell you where and what Soros was doing. My aunt did not know, she assumed, from the propaganda she was reading, that he was pushing socialism on somebody.

You’re statement is about as true as the U.S. being “America”. It’s the United States of America, not “America”. America is all the continents on the Western half of the earth, also called North America, Central America, and South America. Now you can argue that the U.S. is America, but it’s only because in on the North American continent. It’s also called “The States”. About the only people who call the U.S. “America” are those who don’t understand these things. Yes, I’m a U.S. citizen born and raised, but the U.S. isn’t “America”, despite what some may insist upon.

Now, you may try to split hairs on that paragraph, but calling the U.S. “America” is about as true as your statement above. The only “We” concerning the U.S. is in the U.S. Constitution, which says, “We, the people…”

Aren’t the dotard’s followers and cronies attempting to destroy democracy and the U.S. in order to put in an oligarchy or a dictator? They are small in numbers, but somehow they manage to get their dotard into office once. There won’t be a U.S. as we know it if he gets in again or if any Repug, who wants to perpetuate his destruction, gets into office.

Anyway, with both posts, I’m making your point very well, Lausten.

I think they are destroying democracy, whether they know it, or are inwittingly following, or not.

But, the 1/3 i referred includes all ideologies. I’m not sure how it breaks down on who is right or wrong. I can only predict. History will judge

There is definitely one trend of de-civilization and that is legitimization of crime by the Republicans.
While they cry “weaponization” of civil institutions they are indiscriminately weaponizing civilians.
The persistent Republican support of Trump in spite of the clear evidence of his treasonous actions is just another symptom of a very disturbing trend.

When there are weapons of war there will be death and this is becoming painfully clear,

These are some notes I took from a book Martin Shaw’s “Snowy Towers”. I think we keep doing this, having our “enlightened” view of the world, but not thinking about the unfinished work of that time. We come as saviours, then act as conquerors. Capitalism has institutionalized this, made it legal and honorable. We even do it at home, as we are seeing in the marijuana industry. As soon as the laws changed to distribute and grow it legally, many of those growers started using immigrant labor in slave-like conditions.

Snowy Tower, Martin Shaw (the one on Parzicval)

Page 100 The Implications of Empire

1 is germs, ala Jared Diamond. Smallpox devastated the Americas.

In the a different direction, Africa sent yellow fever, to the Americas, and Europeans appeared as miracle workers, with compasses, math, glass, and fire sticks. But our logic? As long as they obeyed us, they were called “naturals”, when they didn’t, “savages”. Slavery, an ancient practice, aligned with commerce. “Later, we confused the indigenous mind still more by introduction the genius of Shakespeare and Plato, the values therein utterly at loggerheads with the reality they witnessed us acting out”.

The second was writing, used as a way to yoke the oral tradition, storytelling, with an expe ctation that those traditions will continue to progress to the Western mind.

The third is fundamentalism over emotional literacy. In Parzival, it’s the wound of the king, and his relief that only comes from taking the sacrament.

“Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement are roads of genius.” – William Blake