To be honest, the only thing I’ve heard concerning T.C. was on SNL. The Reich gets on my nerves too much to listen to anything that comes out of that ugly hole in their face.
Got lucky and caught this on the way home. Mary Louise Kelly tries to defend Trump a little bit, but I think she was just giving Zarif the opportunity to make his case, which he did, pretty well. The only thing she really gets him on is how much of war monger he his. It’s just “both sides-ism”.
As they note at the end, the interview came between the time Pompeo walked back Trump’s statement about bombing cultural sites and the time Trump actually recanted.
The Iranian minister called T rump a terrorist. T rump definitely has the tendencies of a terrorist. Recall during his campaign he was promoting killing family members of our enemies. So destroying cultural sites is in line with his general philosophy. Also recall his BS story about Muslims being defeated by letting them know we were coating our bullets in pig’s blood. Next he will want our bombs to be painted with pig’s blood.
It seems to me, with this fiasco, that T rump has already lost Iraq to Iran. And T rump is opening the door to the r-emergence of ISIS or worse. Not to mention the final nails in the coffin of the Iran deal that other nations were trying to hang on to. So Iran can get busy producing nukes, again. Hence WAR is in the air. How will the con man get out of this pickle?
The Shiite show has now begun. Iran fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles at two military bases in Iraq where American troops are based, (Just getting started I imagine.)
In a related note, fifty-six people died and 213 were injured (by human stampede) in the funeral processions for Soleimani, attended by millions of Iranians.
Meanwhile, “Putin takes a bow in Syria” and " told Mr. al-Assad that “one can now confidently state that huge strides have been made in restoring Syrian statehood and the territorial integrity of the country…”
And NATO trainers from various of our traditional allies are now leaving the fight on ISIS in Iraq.
I wonder when T rump’s bombing of 52 sites in Iran will start. (It is 52, because I guess he thinks it is cool to recall that Iran took 52 American hostages many years ago.) The Trumpublicans should be happy about those hostages being taken, as it led to Ronald Raygun being elected POTUS back when.
TimB replies; My point is not that T rump is unusually “evil”. Although he is a man of unusually poor character. My Point is that he is disaster after disaster waiting to happen as Commander in Chief.
No military “disasters” have taken place since he has been in office so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Right now because of his action, we are either: 1) Occupying the sovereign state of Iraq who wants us to leave, or 2) we are withdrawing from Iraq per international law. Either case is a breath of life for ISIS, who we have now, ceased operations against.We have had small numbers of military advisors in Iraq since 2014, so blame Obama.
And insurgent groups like ISIS will always pop up in the Middle East. Not much we can do besides prevent Muslims from entering the US. It’s worth noting ISIS has never been a big threat to this country in the first place. As liberals like to remind us — white supremacists are a bigger threat than Islamic terrorists.
Our CinC is also repeatedly promising to commit the war crimes of destroying Iranian cultural sites. This (unless it is an empty threat, aka lie) leaves our military in the unenviable position of having to disregard unlawful orders from the CinC, or to carry out war crimes.Empty threat. Doesn’t really matter anyway because nobody on earth can force the USA into international court. That would’ve happened already if it was possible.
I wonder, have their been an unusual number of quiet resignations by generals under this sorry excuse of a CinC?There doesn’t appear to be.
thatoneguy said,There doesn’t appear to be.
You may want to take a look at this;
You ignore the disaster of Iran beginning again to work toward building their very own Nukes. That is ALL on T rump re-nigging on the multinational deal. That same renig and the policy of MAX Pressure on Iran, trying to force them into submitting to our every whim OR to cause internal conflict to result in regime change? That disastrous policy has lead inexorably to the point where we have assassinated a most beloved military/political figure. That lead to the disaster of Iraq telling us to leave their country. You, Oneguy, are just fine with allowing ISIS or an equivalent to retake territory and establish a deadly caliphate once again?
I said in a post above: Right now because of his action, we are either: 1) Occupying the sovereign state of Iraq who wants us to leave, or 2) we are withdrawing from Iraq per international law. Either case is a breath of life for ISIS, who we have now, ceased operations against.
You said: We have had small numbers of military advisors in Iraq since 2014, so blame Obama.Oneguy said:" We have had small numbers of military advisors in Iraq since 2014, so blame Obama."
My reply: We left Iraq in 2011, because as a sovereign nation we respected their right to tell us to leave. We came back to help them when they desperately needed help. So how is it Obama’s fault that T rump is getting us kicked out again, NOW? Obama, you bastard, how did you finagle this while vacationing on some rich friend’s yacht while fishing for Marlin? Poor T rump, Obama is always out to get him. Oneguy, Assad and Putin have taken over northern Syria, securely now. That’s with the assist from Trump who ran from the Turks like a bad dog who had no loyalty for his friends (the Kurds). How about alienating our traditional allies from wanting to have anything to do with us in the mid east? That’s good by you?
Also it is fine by you if we breach international laws and commit war crimes, because no one can do anything about it? Because we are too big for anyone to do anything about it? It was that way for Nazi Germany until they lost a really big war.
So when you were an active 'warfighter" would you have been fine with committing war crimes that you were ordered to do?
You may want to take a look at thisWell, some of those individuals were generals in the past.
You ignore the disaster of Iran beginning again to work toward building their very own Nukes. That is ALL on T rump re-nigging on the multinational deal. That same renig and the policy of MAX Pressure on Iran, trying to force them into submitting to our every whim OR to cause internal conflict to result in regime change? That disastrous policy has lead inexorably to the point where we have assassinated a most beloved military/political figure.Iran having a nuclear program is not a disaster. They absolutely have the right to one.
And there is no evidence Soulimani’s death was related to that issue.
That lead to the disaster of Iraq telling us to leave their country. You, Oneguy, are just fine with allowing ISIS or an equivalent to retake territory and establish a deadly caliphate once again?Yes. We cannot decisively defeat an insurgency in their own backyard. The time to GTFO was years ago.
You said: We have had small numbers of military advisors in Iraq since 2014, so blame Obama.Oneguy said:” We have had small numbers of military advisors in Iraq since 2014, so blame Obama.”My reply: We left Iraq in 2011, because as a sovereign nation we respected their right to tell us to leave. We came back to help them when they desperately needed help. So how is it Obama’s fault that T rump is getting us kicked out again, NOW? Obama, you bastard, how did you finagle this while vacationing on some rich friend’s yacht while fishing for Marlin? Poor T rump, Obama is always out to get him. Oneguy, Assad and Putin have taken over northern Syria, securely now. That’s with the assist from Trump who ran from the Turks like a bad dog who had no loyalty for his friends (the Kurds). How about alienating our traditional allies from wanting to have anything to do with us in the mid east? That’s good by you?
We don’t have any traditional “allies” in the ME besides Israel – which was established by America (and Britain) as a proxy western nation in the region. Other than that we have people we use when convenient for us.
As for Obama, he involved us in Operation Inherent Resove, that why American troops are there right now. Trump inherited that shitshow and can’t be blamed for them being there. He can be blamed for not pulling them out in 2017, though.
Oneguy: Yes. We cannot decisively defeat an insurgency in their own backyard. The time to GTFO was years ago.There are folks like Tim who want the US to stay in the Middle East to play the good guy protecting the weak. I wish there is a way to bill them do-gooders so my tax dollars can go towards needs of Americans in the homeland.
Also it is fine by you if we breach international laws and commit war crimes, because no one can do anything about it? Because we are too big for anyone to do anything about it? It was that way for Nazi Germany until they lost a really big war.Germany was never a global military empire like America, and global empires make the rules and enforce them.
So when you were an active ‘warfighter” would you have been fine with committing war crimes that you were ordered to do?That's what's called an unlawful order and military personnel have a duty to disobey unlawful orders.
“Might makes Right”…huh . That is a gangster’s attitude.
One guy: That’s what’s called an unlawful order and military personnel have a duty to disobey unlawful orders.This is a tough call. Soldiers in action need to respond to direct orders from their superior officers without hesitation or you don't have a military force. Liberal values are destroying our country. We need to bring the draft back and instill discipline into our kids. Ten hut!! Officer on deck.
Sree, please tell me that you are a cartoon character.
Oneguy, Poor T rump. You blame the whiny little bitch, T rump, because he didn’t pull troops out of Iraq 3 years ago. But you blame Obama because what? T rump shouldn’t have had to undo things that Obama did? His entire presidency has been 1) gleefully undoing things Obama did, and 2) continuing his 2016 campaign without end.
3 years of Trump brother. It ain’t Obama’s fault anymore.
And I guess you guys would prefer that the Islamic State was now a thriving nation in place of the former territory of Iraq and major parts of Syria. Wouldn’t that be pretty?
Oneguy calls it as he sees it, Tim. If Trump wasn’t on the ball and took our troops out in 2017 like said he wanted to do, Oneguy pointed that out. He wasn’t cool about Obama’s shitshow and said so also. In that sense, Oneguy was pretty balanced, objective and non-biased. You are just one way, one-sided dead against Trump no matter what. Not good.
Tim: Sree, please tell me that you are a cartoon character.You liked that clip, didn't you? You are a danger to the nation, Tim, if you keep hating our President. Here is another clip for your education. Picture Trump as the colonel and you are Tom Cruise.