Since Mikey thinks I’m doing too much Trump bashing, although I thought I was just sharing news, I can’t help it that the Trump is constantly doing stupid shit. But okay.
Here’s a constructive little something for M.
I finished another column for the Four Corners Free Press that’s considering the GOP Platform. I want to post the entire thing, but will try to refrain till the issue is out. The last paragraphs drift from that to looking forward and this election and why rational people really need get out and vote for Hillary Clinton and the Democratic ticket, even if you need to hold your nose doing it.
Gotta be real, gotta be pragmatic. It’s the only game in town.
... Every couple years we have an election, it’s the only time the average US citizen’s opinion actually matters and it’s amazing how many rational American citizens pass on their privilege and duty. Then they wonder why our government is going the wrong way. Every other election it’s big time, when the Executive Branch of our government is at stake. Our democracy’s survival demands an informed and engaged citizenry. Where are you?
This year it matters more than ever. At least to us who believe in rationalism and confronting challenges with learning about and understanding the situation at hand - then working in cooperation with others to deal with it.
Senator Sander’s fans would do good to understand that only if Clinton becomes the President will Sanders be able to wield the power of his supporter’s convictions as they give strength to his voice. Remember Mr. Sander’s understands the nut and bolts of government like few others. He has also shown humility and realism, he shunned the pull of demagoguery where others have fallen. He is a man of substance and constructive pragmatism, a man capable of going the long haul. He could be a force to be reckoned with. But only if his supporters now make the effort to vote for Hillary Clinton and the Democratic ticket!
I’m not saying Democrats have all the answers they certainly don’t and yes, they are as trapped within the world of super-donors and lobbyists as Republicans are. But, they are the only show in town!
What I am saying is that at least Democrats acknowledge the need for fact-based learning and that matters a great deal as the GOP sinks ever deeper into delusion and a worldview that’s profoundly disconnected from our down to Earth realities.
I suggest this year’s Presidential election can be boiled down to one simple question:
“Do you believe dogmatic faith should trump objective observation, evidence and learning?"
You must realize a vote for Mr. Trump, or a no-show, is a vote for facade and threatening hostility laced bluster over thoughtful substance and constructive engagement.
Let me start by saying I’m voting for HC for just the reasons mentioned in the article. But I think in many Bernie supporters minds the choice is analogous to this (and No I’m not saying HC or DT are these things, just an analogy). Who’d you rather vote for, a rapist or murderer? Obviously the murderer has gone to a level where certain things (taking a life) are no big deal. A rapist otoh, however evil, has not gone to that depth and so there’s room for some kind of working with them. According to Bernie HC is part of the big global fascist problem we have. But at least there’s room to reason. DT otoh represents far far worse.
Let me start by saying I'm voting for HC for just the reasons mentioned in the article. But I think in many Bernie supporters minds the choice is analogous to this (and No I'm not saying HC or DT are these things, just an analogy). Who'd you rather vote for, a rapist or murderer? Obviously the murderer has gone to a level where certain things (taking a life) are no big deal. A rapist otoh, however evil, has not gone to that depth and so there's room for some kind of working with them. According to Bernie HC is part of the big global fascist problem we have. But at least there's room to reason. DT otoh represents far far worse.
You're right I hear you - about some of Bernie's idea, the college tuition thing and such and that's where I've disconnected and in truth never learned much about them.
But, then again, Bernie has been a Mayor and Senator and he's a pragmatic realist when it comes to day to day, doing the grind that needs to be for things to happening. At least from what I've read he's had good successes when it comes to what public servants are all about.
(Also he's proven he's not crazy, with how classily he dealt with losing to Hillary and continuing with the election.)
Something that Trump with his cartoonish understanding for the world definitely does not possess.
I'm going to listen to yesterday's Live Stream Feed of Bernie giving a speech, guess he's staring some organization to focus on recapturing local and statewide elections, it'll be interesting.
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
I really don’t understand why Bernie even has followers. Name a bill that he has passed or sponsored that is worthy of his years in office. His promise to forgive government school loans and free education is got to be his biggest attractions’ to his followers.
Now, the ME generation rejects capitalism, and thinks it is evil. And the ME generation supposedly rejects socialism. And they are voting for Hillary. Therefore we really don’t know what Hillary is. She says she is not a capitalist, and not a socialist. So can you tell me what Hillary is politically?
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
I really don’t understand why Bernie even has followers. Name a bill that he has passed or sponsored that is worthy of his years in office. His promise to forgive government school loans and free education is got to be his biggest attractions’ to his followers.
Now, the ME generation rejects capitalism, and thinks it is evil. And the ME generation supposedly rejects socialism. And they are voting for Hillary. Therefore we really don’t know what Hillary is. She says she is not a capitalist, and not a socialist. So can you tell me what Hillary is politically?
When it comes to Trump, though, we know what he is. He's a fascist dictator, or would be one if enough ignorant fools support him.
One thing I am certain of, in no way would Senator Sanders wish for his supporter to ever vote for the likes of Donald Trump. We humans are either fools or damn fools but I can assure you that good Senator is not the later and I hope none of our voting public belongs in that category.
One thing I am certain of, in no way would Senator Sanders wish for his supporter to ever vote for the likes of Donald Trump. We humans are either fools or damn fools but I can assure you that good Senator is not the later and I hope none of our voting public belongs in that category.
That would be a given. Bernie being a socialist would never want his followers to vote for a capitalist. Are we have a rebellion from the US capitalist system? Is Hillary the path to a new socialist system?
There seems to be a major thinking difference between the Trump and Hillary supporters. For example, a charity that gives away donated cars to the needy. They get government grants for their good work. The Hillary supporters would see this as a good thing. The Trump supporters look at the numbers and realize that the government has given the group millions to advertise what the group does over the years. You take the number of old clunkers given away and divide that into just the advertisement money paid by the government. It comes to 17K per car. And I think it is items like that that just burn the heck out of the Trump supporters whereas it does not bother the Hillary supporters. Kind of a capitalist vs. socialist thinking.
As we probably need both capitalists and socialist to keep the system in balance. One would think that the health care would come from the socialist side. Which it did. But it has shown that it really does not represent the concerns of working and middle class Americans. The socialists programs will only work with massive amounts of printed funds. Right now those printed funds are supporting the police forces around the world and feeding millions of people around the world. Socialist countries have about 80% of the people on pensions. I think we are near the 50% mark now.
Point being, in balancing the scales of our system, we need to move back to the capitalist’s side. The socialist side is more a logical side whereas the capitalist’s side is the productive side that requires many systems to work together. We could shut down the socialist side altogether and then reopen it overnight. But once the capitalist’s side is shut down, it takes decades to rebuild, if then. The only thing that has saved our capitalist side from going overseas altogether is our agriculture. The same with China. China is socialist and has been held together by its agriculture system. China is desperately trying to balance itself with capitalism.
One thing I am certain of, in no way would Senator Sanders wish for his supporter to ever vote for the likes of Donald Trump. We humans are either fools or damn fools but I can assure you that good Senator is not the later and I hope none of our voting public belongs in that category.
That would be a given. Bernie being a socialist would never want his followers to vote for a capitalist. Are we have a rebellion from the US capitalist system? Is Hillary the path to a new socialist system?
There seems to be a major thinking difference between the Trump and Hillary supporters. For example, a charity that gives away donated cars to the needy. They get government grants for their good work. The Hillary supporters would see this as a good thing. The Trump supporters look at the numbers and realize that the government has given the group millions to advertise what the group does over the years. You take the number of old clunkers given away and divide that into just the advertisement money paid by the government. It comes to 17K per car. And I think it is items like that that just burn the heck out of the Trump supporters whereas it does not bother the Hillary supporters. Kind of a capitalist vs. socialist thinking.
As we probably need both capitalists and socialist to keep the system in balance. One would think that the health care would come from the socialist side. Which it did. But it has shown that it really does not represent the concerns of working and middle class Americans. The socialists programs will only work with massive amounts of printed funds. Right now those printed funds are supporting the police forces around the world and feeding millions of people around the world. Socialist countries have about 80% of the people on pensions. I think we are near the 50% mark now.
Point being, in balancing the scales of our system, we need to move back to the capitalist’s side. The socialist side is more a logical side whereas the capitalist’s side is the productive side that requires many systems to work together. We could shut down the socialist side altogether and then reopen it overnight. But once the capitalist’s side is shut down, it takes decades to rebuild, if then. The only thing that has saved our capitalist side from going overseas altogether is our agriculture. The same with China. China is socialist and has been held together by its agriculture system. China is desperately trying to balance itself with capitalism.
Who's shutting down the capitalist side? The US is the most capitalistic and least socialistic of all Western democracies. If anything is being "shut down"' it's American social policies. There is an imbalance in the US system, it is incredibly lopsided toward capitalism.
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
I really don’t understand why Bernie even has followers. Name a bill that he has passed or sponsored that is worthy of his years in office. His promise to forgive government school loans and free education is got to be his biggest attractions’ to his followers.
Now, the ME generation rejects capitalism, and thinks it is evil. And the ME generation supposedly rejects socialism. And they are voting for Hillary. Therefore we really don’t know what Hillary is. She says she is not a capitalist, and not a socialist. So can you tell me what Hillary is politically?
She's a Democrat, and the Democratic Party has, since the beginning, stood for the common man, has it been perfect? Not by a long shot, but Democrats' hearts are in the right place--in my view. Republicans will trash every social program they can get their hands on, including the ACA--the best we could get with Republicans in Congress--and Social Security. If they can get their hands on Social Security, say goodbye to it. They will lower taxes for the wealthy for the lie that they will use that money to create jobs. No Republican ever did anything to create jobs. If jobs are created while they are on the road to making money, it was an unexpected and unplanned event. If they could make money without ever creating a job, they would. If they can make money without ever hiring an American, they will.
The Republicans's goal is to create a good business climate in the US, make money for themselves and garner power, and if three quarters of the American public pays for it, that's just fine. That is their bottom line. Their goal has never been to create jobs, but they will repeat the lie if they think it will get them a tax break and get them elected. The vast majority of the wealthy never invest in America. They invest in their own needs and desires--and wherever they can make a buck, no matter who's hurt by it--as long as it isn't Republican fat cats. I don't think there has ever been a Republican statesman in the history of the United States.
A line I heard some time ago has stuck with me: "A Republican can't enjoy a good meal unless he knows someone is starving." That sums up Republicans perfectly. That's on the domestic side. On the International side they are war mongers. They've never met a war they didn't love. Why? Because war represents that many more ways to make a buck. One of the worst things that would happen if a Republican were elected is that he could name probably two Supreme Court justices, which would mean at least another 50 years of a "conservative" court, which would rule for the wealthy and against the common man for decades. No, Hillary is far from a perfect candidate. she has a lot of bad moves to live down. But she's a Democrat at heart and for all her faults I believe she would focus on the common man and what's right for the United States, because the Democratic Party focuses on the common man and a strong country for everyone. At this point, even if she were another Lucretia Borgia, she would still be head and shoulders above any Republican, and certainly Trump. Trump would lead the country to sure disaster. He is stupid, naive and has no political experience whatsoever. He would alienate all the friendly leaders in the world because he has absolutely no understanding of diplomacy. If you just listen to his campagn rhetoric, you can see that. We are already the laughingstock of the world because of the Trump candidacy. Don't allow us to become worse than a laughingstock because of a Trump presidency! There would be hell to pay for all of us should such a thing happen. Despite her errors and bad moves, I believe Hillary can and will be a sensible person in the Presidency. She's the only hope we have. The Democratic Party will keep her possible excesses in check. We have no other choice. It will be a president who has a chance to do the right thing vs a sure disaster. I appeal to everyone with any political view. Vote for the only hope we have, whether you like her or not. Don't take a chance on allowing a political moron to ascend to the Presidency and ruin the country for decades to come. Nothing is more important now than this election. Don't throw it away.
Lois
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
I really don’t understand why Bernie even has followers. Name a bill that he has passed or sponsored that is worthy of his years in office. His promise to forgive government school loans and free education is got to be his biggest attractions’ to his followers.
Now, the ME generation rejects capitalism, and thinks it is evil. And the ME generation supposedly rejects socialism. And they are voting for Hillary. Therefore we really don’t know what Hillary is. She says she is not a capitalist, and not a socialist. So can you tell me what Hillary is politically?
Why shouldn't the United States follow the lead of every other western democracy and stop allowing higher education to be yet another money-making scheme for Republicans? Every other Western democracy subsidizes its college and university students because they have sense enough to know that college students will be the salvation of the country. There is no better place to put our resources. Why should American students be the only ones in the world to be burdened with debilitating debt as they begin their careers? This is a situation only a Republican could think up. Mike Yohe, you and your like are a disgrace to the United States and every thinking voter in it. You should be ashamed of yourself but you are obviously too ignorant to be ashamed of your outrageous and damaging political attitudes.
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
I really don’t understand why Bernie even has followers. Name a bill that he has passed or sponsored that is worthy of his years in office. His promise to forgive government school loans and free education is got to be his biggest attractions’ to his followers.
Now, the ME generation rejects capitalism, and thinks it is evil. And the ME generation supposedly rejects socialism. And they are voting for Hillary. Therefore we really don’t know what Hillary is. She says she is not a capitalist, and not a socialist. So can you tell me what Hillary is politically?
Why shouldn't the United States follow the lead of every other western democracy and stop allowing higher education to be yet another money-making scheme for Republicans? Every other Westen democracy subsidizes its college and university students because they have sense enough to know that college students will be the salvation of the country. There is no better place to put our resources. Why should American students be the only ones in the world to be burdened with debilitating debt as they begin their careers? This is a situation only a Republican could think up. Mike Yohe, you and your like are a disgrace to the United States and every thinking voter in it. You should be ashamed of yourself but you are obviously too ignorant to be ashamed of your outrageous and damaging political attitudes.
Spoken like a true communist thinker of the Me generation.
Why is it that you have this vision that the Republican Party is the rich party? The internet says otherwise.
How Did the Democrats Become Favorites of the Rich? - The New York Times. Oct 7, 2015
The Real Party of the Rich: Democrats Have More Top Donors - IJR.com Independent Journal Review
Democrats: The Real Party Of The Rich | Stock News & Stock Market http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrat-political-donations-outstrip-republicans/
Tell me, when did any of these countries that have free college ever put a man in space, police the world, make major donations to the poorer countries, have open door illegal immigrant policies, feed and give medical services to millions of people around the world. Just to name a few. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
I really don’t understand why Bernie even has followers. Name a bill that he has passed or sponsored that is worthy of his years in office. His promise to forgive government school loans and free education is got to be his biggest attractions’ to his followers.
Now, the ME generation rejects capitalism, and thinks it is evil. And the ME generation supposedly rejects socialism. And they are voting for Hillary. Therefore we really don’t know what Hillary is. She says she is not a capitalist, and not a socialist. So can you tell me what Hillary is politically?
Why shouldn't the United States follow the lead of every other western democracy and stop allowing higher education to be yet another money-making scheme for Republicans? Every other Westen democracy subsidizes its college and university students because they have sense enough to know that college students will be the salvation of the country. There is no better place to put our resources. Why should American students be the only ones in the world to be burdened with debilitating debt as they begin their careers? This is a situation only a Republican could think up. Mike Yohe, you and your like are a disgrace to the United States and every thinking voter in it. You should be ashamed of yourself but you are obviously too ignorant to be ashamed of your outrageous and damaging political attitudes.
Spoken like a true communist thinker of the Me generation.
well, now you've proven your ignorance. Every Western European country is more socialistoc than the US. So is Canada. Are you claiming they are all Communist? You apparently don't know any more what a Communist is than what a socialist is. If you had half a clue you wouldn't call Bernie Sanders a socialist.
Why is it that you have this vision that the Republican Party is the rich party? The internet says otherwise.
I don't know or care how rich they are. They are not the rich party so much as the stupid party, especially now thatbthey have nominated Trump. How Did the Democrats Become Favorites of the Rich? - The New York Times. Oct 7, 2015
The Real Party of the Rich: Democrats Have More Top Donors - IJR.com Independent Journal Review
So what? So there are rich people who have enough brains to be Democrats. Should there be a law against that?
Democrats: The Real Party Of The Rich | Stock News & Stock Market http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrat-political-donations-outstrip-republicans/ It doesn't matter how much money either party has--it's who either party favors that matters. The Republican Party has always favored the rich, not the Democratic Party. The Republicans still favor the rich and screw the middle class and poor, and they always will.
Tell me, when did any of these countries that have free college ever put a man in space, police the world, make major donations to the poorer countries, have open door illegal immigrant policies, feed and give medical services to millions of people around the world. Just to name a few.
Most European countries have done all of those things and they've done it far better than the US per capita--AND they offer free education on top of it.
You are comparing apples to oranges.
No, it's you comparing apples to oranges. Why don't you get an education? It's time you got out of junior high school. In fact. Most junior high school students know more about how the world works than you do.
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
So is every religiously possessed person who loves the community of his/her church.
Human's are social creatures, don't you know!
What's the beef???
Or are you Ayn Randian, who believes we are islands onto ourselves... well except when we suck off the labors of others, but we'll ignore that . . .
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
I really don’t understand why Bernie even has followers. Name a bill that he has passed or sponsored that is worthy of his years in office. His promise to forgive government school loans and free education is got to be his biggest attractions’ to his followers.
He was an independent, not much opportunity to pass major legislation. However, when it comes to getting things done, he did pretty good. But, then you'd have to make the effort to find out. Hell you'd have to give him an objective reading, don't think you've got that in ya - you got it all figured out, and it's all shit and it all needs to be torn down.
Oh but back to Bernie Sanders:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-of-Bernie-Sanderss-accomplishments-as-a-political-figure-in-Vermont-and-on-a-national-level-as-a-US-Senator
What are some of Bernie Sanders's accomplishments as a political figure in Vermont, and on a national level as a US Senator?
October 22, 2015
Let's see:
-Wildly popular in a state that is not the liberal monolith some think it is, winning many elections with as much as 86% of the vote
-Several businessmen called him Burlington's best mayor, because he did things like revitalize the waterfront and create opportunity there.
-Never ran a single negative attack ad in a 30 year career
-Opposed TPP, NAFTA, CAFTA, Keystone XL, the Patriot Act, and the Iraq War from day one
-Strongly supports Medicare for All, repairing our crumbling infrastructure, and debt-free college
-Fought for civil rights (including for gays) before it was cool
-Champion of the common American
-Actually tells the damn truth
Here is some hard data on his congressional record:
Bernard “Bernie" Sanders, U.S. Senator for Vermont
Note the sponsored bills in particular. …
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/24/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/
In 2005, Rolling Stone named Sanders the "amendment king" of the House. At the time, the title held true with a specific qualification: amendments agreed to by record votes. (Amendments can also be passed with voice votes, in which the volume of yeas and nays dictates passage, or by unanimous consent, in which no one raises an objection.)
Out of 419 amendments Sanders sponsored over his 25 years in Congress, 90 passed, 21 of them by roll call votes. Here’s a breakdown (bold indicates Republican Congresses):
What kind of experience does Bernie Sanders have? Let's take a look.
By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet October 17, 2015
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.
Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:
• Corporate Crime Accountability (February 1995): A Sanders amendment to the Victims Justice Act of 1995 required “offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white-collar crimes to give notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution."
• Saving Money, for Colleges and Taxpayers (April 1998): In an amendment to H.R. 6, the Higher Education Amendments of 1998, Sanders made a change to the law that allowed the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education to make competitive grants available to colleges and universities that cooperated to reduce costs through joint purchases of goods and services.
• Holding IRS Accountable, Protecting Pensions (July 2002): Sanders' amendment to the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003 stopped the IRS from being able to use funds that “violate current pension age discrimination laws." Although he faced stiff GOP opposition, his amendment still succeeded along a 308 to 121 vote.
• Expanding Free Health Care (November 2001): You wouldn't think Republicans would agree to an expansion of funds for community health centers, which provide some free services. But Sanders was able to win a $100 million increase in funding with an amendment.
• Getting Tough On Child Labor (July 2001): A Sanders amendment to the general appropriations bill prohibited the importation of goods made with child labor.
• Increasing Funding for Heating for the Poor (September 2004): Sanders won a $22 million increase for the low-income home energy assistance program and related weatherization assistance program.
• Fighting Corporate Welfare and Protecting Against Nuclear Disasters (June 2005): A Sanders amendment brought together a bipartisan coalition that outnumbered a bipartisan coalition on the other side to successfully prohibit the Export-Import Bank from providing loans for nuclear projects in China.
Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate:
• Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.
• Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.
• Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.
• Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.
• Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors" – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action. • Support for Treating Autism in Military Health Care: Sanders worked with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to pass an amendment by a vote of 66-29 ensuring that the military's TRICARE system would be able to treat autism.
Yup, there’s more, rolling up his sleeves and doing what a true public servant does:
https://www.thenation.com/article/bernies-burlington-city-sustainable-future/What Kind of Mayor Was Bernie Sanders?
In his eight years as mayor of Burlington, Vermont, Bernie Sanders revitalized the economy and solidified support for progressive municipal policies.
By Peter Dreier and Pierre Clavel | JUNE 2, 2015
"The battle over Northgate Apartments illustrates Sanders’s general approach to governing. In addressing this and many other issues, he encouraged grassroots organizing, adopted local laws to protect the vulnerable, challenged the city’s business power brokers, and worked collaboratively with other politicians to create a more livable city.
Now that Sanders is running for president, the eight years he spent as Burlington’s chief executive (1981–89) will be under close scrutiny. Although President Obama recently joked at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner that Sanders is a “pot-smoking socialist," he was actually a hardworking, pragmatic, effective mayor who helped transform Vermont’s largest city (population: 38,000) into a thriving town. ..."
After Bernie Sanders won the mayoral race in Burlington, Vt., in 1981, some felt the socialist’s career would be short.
By Sally Jacobs GLOBE STAFF OCTOBER 31, 2015
www-bostonglobe-com/metro/2015/10/31/socialist-even-conservative-could-love-burlington-mayor-sanders-was-able-out-republican-republicans/SCmh2TLifXxXRPFKC8NMjO/story.html (that url was "blacklisted" / replace - with .)
As Vermont official, Sanders ‘got things done’
"And so when the baby-faced Bailey became a member of the Burlington Board of Aldermen at age 28, he was stunned to find himself sitting across from socialist Mayor Bernie Sanders. Like many conservatives in town, Bailey had dismissed Sanders as a “kook" when he became mayor in 1981 and presumed he would not last long.
But here it was four years later and Bernie, as everyone called him, was still there, sitting under his beloved portrait of Socialist Eugene Debs in City Hall...."
Why is it that you have this vision that the Republican Party is the rich party? The internet says otherwise.
How Did the Democrats Become Favorites of the Rich? - The New York Times. Oct 7, 2015
The Real Party of the Rich: Democrats Have More Top Donors - IJR.com Independent Journal Review
Democrats: The Real Party Of The Rich | Stock News & Stock Market http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrat-political-donations-outstrip-republicans/
Tell me, when did any of these countries that have free college ever put a man in space, police the world, make major donations to the poorer countries, have open door illegal immigrant policies, feed and give medical services to millions of people around the world. Just to name a few. You are comparing apples to oranges.
That's :lol: good, :lol: er rich :kiss: ,
we got Koch bros major owner of the Republican party, joined by plenty of other 'masters of the universe' spending hundreds of millions on mass brainwashing and stupefying voters with utterly disconnected from physical reality notions. Plus working hard to disenfranchise as many minorities from voting as possible.
They provide people with fear and self-righteous finger pointing, and advertise simple solutions - leave Corporate America alone to run the show. Yes the GOP is filled with millions of scared no-longer-haves, faith-blinded people. They are teaching these people to blame others for problems that are of their own making, (of all of our collective making). It is a manufactured movement, and don't kid yourself for one moment, the Republican Party is the rich man's party.
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/
I really don’t understand why Bernie even has followers. Name a bill that he has passed or sponsored that is worthy of his years in office. His promise to forgive government school loans and free education is got to be his biggest attractions’ to his followers.
Now, the ME generation rejects capitalism, and thinks it is evil. And the ME generation supposedly rejects socialism. And they are voting for Hillary. Therefore we really don’t know what Hillary is. She says she is not a capitalist, and not a socialist. So can you tell me what Hillary is politically?
Therein lies the crux of a benign form of government, as the US Democracy purports to be.
There can be no successful Extreme form of Any form of government for any length of time.
If the underlying message in the Constitution and Bill of Rights is equality, freedom of choice, and the principles of the Establishment Clause, which, IMO, addresses all forms of Restrictive governments.
To create and sustain a thriving diverse society, where all of it's citizens have opportunity to "pursue their happiness", requires a fine balance between needs and available resources.
By this reasoning only a government which based on socio/economics. The most desirable trait for a representative of the people, is one who applies a fair balance between government Social Services and Economics and extremes of one or the other results in an "unbalance" of applied principles.
I believe Hillary Clinton has proven to be a voice of moderation and neutrality instead of extremism toward either side.
I would classify Hillary as a *Social Progressive/Economic Conservative*. IMO, the ideal choice for representing the values of a true and fair Democracy, especially when there is turmoil in the world that must be solved by Diplomacy, rather than War.
p.s. I wonder what would happen to the *Separation of Powers* with Trump at the *Helm*, another unauthorized, unfunded War ? There's a lotta money in it. Hmmmmm.....
well, now you've proven your ignorance. Every Western European country is more socialistoc than the US. So is Canada. Are you claiming they are all Communist? You apparently don't know any more what a Communist is than what a socialist is. If you had half a clue you wouldn't call Bernie Sanders a socialist.
Lois, I think you have a typo here. I don’t think you want to say that Bernie is not a socialist do you?
