Yup, there's more, rolling up his sleeves and doing what a true public servant does:From the Washington Times. During his quarter-century in Congress, Mr. Sanders has been the chief sponsor of just three bills that were signed into law: two renaming U.S. Postal Service offices in his home state of Vermont and one that increased the annual cost-of-living raise for veterans’ benefits, which he secured as chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee in 2013. It’s a record matched by most other members of Congress, who struggle to find legislative niches where they can advance their priorities. It also underscores the concerns among many in the Democratic Party establishment that their champion in next year’s elections needs to have a record of successes in addition to a liberal vision. All told, Mr. Sanders introduced 353 bills during 16 years in the House and nine years in the Senate, giving him a success rate of just less than 1 percent. By comparison, Sen. Jack Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat who like Mr. Sanders has amassed a quarter-century in Congress, has had eight bills signed into law out of 376 introduced. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/27/bernie-sanders-record-in-congress-shows-little-soc/ You can check out Bernie’s voting record on this web site. https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders#.V8uvvJgrKUk Sanders must have been doing something right to stay in office as long as he has as a socialist. And for morals, I think he is ten steps above both Hillary and Trump. But my concerns it that as a nation we are to unbalanced on the socialist side of the scale right now and need to move back towards the capitalist side. We have half the country getting a help from the government today. Therefore we are heavily socialist in our methods. Venezuela for example has checks going to 80% of its people and is the biggest socialist country in the Americas. If we want to stay a world leader, then socialism may be the best path. In Europe, Germany is the leader and they are a capitalist country. There are several socialist countries in Europe and they all have to dance to Germany’s music. And let’s be real, renaming post offices should not even be counted. So I would say that he got only one bill passed.https://www.thenation.com/article/bernies-burlington-city-sustainable-future/ What Kind of Mayor Was Bernie Sanders? In his eight years as mayor of Burlington, Vermont, Bernie Sanders revitalized the economy and solidified support for progressive municipal policies. By Peter Dreier and Pierre Clavel | JUNE 2, 2015 "The battle over Northgate Apartments illustrates Sanders’s general approach to governing. In addressing this and many other issues, he encouraged grassroots organizing, adopted local laws to protect the vulnerable, challenged the city’s business power brokers, and worked collaboratively with other politicians to create a more livable city. Now that Sanders is running for president, the eight years he spent as Burlington’s chief executive (1981–89) will be under close scrutiny. Although President Obama recently joked at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner that Sanders is a “pot-smoking socialist," he was actually a hardworking, pragmatic, effective mayor who helped transform Vermont’s largest city (population: 38,000) into a thriving town. ..."After Bernie Sanders won the mayoral race in Burlington, Vt., in 1981, some felt the socialist’s career would be short. By Sally Jacobs GLOBE STAFF OCTOBER 31, 2015 www-bostonglobe-com/metro/2015/10/31/socialist-even-conservative-could-love-burlington-mayor-sanders-was-able-out-republican-republicans/SCmh2TLifXxXRPFKC8NMjO/story.html (that url was "blacklisted" / replace - with .) As Vermont official, Sanders ‘got things done’ "And so when the baby-faced Bailey became a member of the Burlington Board of Aldermen at age 28, he was stunned to find himself sitting across from socialist Mayor Bernie Sanders. Like many conservatives in town, Bailey had dismissed Sanders as a “kook" when he became mayor in 1981 and presumed he would not last long. But here it was four years later and Bernie, as everyone called him, was still there, sitting under his beloved portrait of Socialist Eugene Debs in City Hall...."
Bernie is a socialist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-is-an-avowed-socialist-and-democrats-are-actually-pretty-ok-with-that/ I really don’t understand why Bernie even has followers. Name a bill that he has passed or sponsored that is worthy of his years in office. His promise to forgive government school loans and free education is got to be his biggest attractions’ to his followers. Now, the ME generation rejects capitalism, and thinks it is evil. And the ME generation supposedly rejects socialism. And they are voting for Hillary. Therefore we really don’t know what Hillary is. She says she is not a capitalist, and not a socialist. So can you tell me what Hillary is politically?Therein lies the crux of a benign form of government, as the US Democracy purports to be. There can be no successful Extreme form of Any form of government for any length of time. If the underlying message in the Constitution and Bill of Rights is equality, freedom of choice, and the principles of the Establishment Clause, which, IMO, addresses all forms of Restrictive governments. To create and sustain a thriving diverse society, where all of it's citizens have opportunity to "pursue their happiness", requires a fine balance between needs and available resources. By this reasoning only a government which based on socio/economics. The most desirable trait for a representative of the people, is one who applies a fair balance between government Social Services and Economics and extremes of one or the other results in an "unbalance" of applied principles. I believe Hillary Clinton has proven to be a voice of moderation and neutrality instead of extremism toward either side. I would classify Hillary as a *Social Progressive/Economic Conservative*. IMO, the ideal choice for representing the values of a true and fair Democracy, especially when there is turmoil in the world that must be solved by Diplomacy, rather than War. p.s. I wonder what would happen to the *Separation of Powers* with Trump at the *Helm*, another unauthorized, unfunded War ? There's a lotta money in it. Hmmmmm..... I get the feeling that unless you operate a big business, you really don’t have a clue of what is involved on a day to day basic. Of course everybody thinks they do. But running a business is one of the most stressful and unrewarding jobs there is. You’re lucky if you get three strikes before you are out of business today. So there is no way that the general public can possibly compare Trumps skills to Hillary’s. Hilary is just part of the Washington political machine that prints money and then throws money at everything as a method of management. And the ME generation doesn’t know any better and thinks that is the proper way to manage. What also what gets me is that with all this capitalist are the rats and the socialists are the angels, type of thinking that is going on, the democrats either don’t know or care that what they are doing by printing all this money is making life hell for most of the rest of the world. When we create inflation it can even create a health crisis in Africa for example. People can starve with the changes in US inflation if Africa. But as long as the highly educated ME’s are not looking at reality, we will a country that is not able to fix the upcoming climate problems. Do to the fact that they really wouldn’t know a good leader if their life depended on it. I think you are right, "There can be no successful Extreme form of Any form of government for any length of time".
From the Washington Times. During his quarter-century in Congress, Mr. Sanders has been the chief sponsor of just three bills that were signed into law: two renaming U.S. Postal Service offices in his home state of Vermont and one that increased the annual cost-of-living raise for veterans’ benefits, which he secured as chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee in 2013.That's actually pretty impressive considering he was an Independent! But you'd have to be capable of recognizing nuances to appreciate that. Unfortunately folks trapped within their hermetically sealed echo-chamber brains, don't have the necessary volume of information available to process, so they come up with contorted opining such as your expectation that Bernie should have single handedly shepherded major bills through Congress.
And the ME generation doesn’t know any better and thinks that is the proper way to manage. What also what gets me is that with all this capitalist are the rats and the socialists are the angels, type of thinking that is going on, the democrats either don’t know or care that what they are doing by printing all this money is making life hell for most of the rest of the world.And what makes you think your opinion is worth anything. You can't list any of Trumps business qualities - you have no problem with him screwing over contractors and investors and now stiffing campaign staff - But Mikie says that's capitalism at work leave it be
June 09, 2016 Report: Trump has refused to pay hundreds of workers By Harper Neidighttp://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282933-report-trump-has-refused-to-pay-hundreds-of-workers TRUMP ACCUSED OF ROUTINELY STIFFING HIS OWN EMPLOYEES Thousands of complaints allege the billionaire failed to pay workers what he owed. BY TINA NGUYENJUNE 10, 2016 http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-lawsuit-contractorsYou demonstrated a cartoonish paranoid over simplistic understanding of what 'Socialism' - heck you even refuse to recognize all these silly religions everyone flocked to are all about socialistic principles - although guess that different, because it's only within their little group where it's expected and everyone else can go to hell. Let me fix that for you
author="MikeYohe" = What gets me is that with all this socialists are the rats and the capitalist are the angels, type of thinking that is going on. The Republican either don’t know or care that they have become dependent on feeding their corporate overlords and squandering billions on self-made wars that only guarantee continued warfare and misery for others, while they enjoy their wealth. All the while ignoring our Earth's physical reality with impunity.
From the Washington Times. During his quarter-century in Congress, Mr. Sanders has been the chief sponsor of just three bills that were signed into law: two renaming U.S. Postal Service offices in his home state of Vermont and one that increased the annual cost-of-living raise for veterans’ benefits, which he secured as chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee in 2013.That's actually pretty impressive considering he was an Independent! But you'd have to be capable of recognizing nuances to appreciate that. Unfortunately folks trapped within their hermetically sealed echo-chamber brains, don't have the necessary volume of information available to process, so they come up with contorted opining such as your expectation that Bernie should have single handedly shepherded major bills through Congress. I am not sorry, but two bills were renaming post offices. A political action that was self-driven and should not be counted. Therefore 25 years and one bill. And he was on the committee that bill represented. I am not impressed. I am not saying Bernie is not a good guy. I am saying that there is a movement to pedestal Bernie and I think that movement is driven by the promises of forgiven loans and free schooling.
And the ME generation doesn’t know any better and thinks that is the proper way to manage. What also what gets me is that with all this capitalist are the rats and the socialists are the angels, type of thinking that is going on, the democrats either don’t know or care that what they are doing by printing all this money is making life hell for most of the rest of the world.And what makes you think your opinion is worth anything. You can't list any of Trumps business qualities - you have no problem with him screwing over contractors and investors and now stiffing campaign staff - But Mikie says that's capitalism at work leave it be
June 09, 2016 Report: Trump has refused to pay hundreds of workers By Harper Neidighttp://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282933-report-trump-has-refused-to-pay-hundreds-of-workers TRUMP ACCUSED OF ROUTINELY STIFFING HIS OWN EMPLOYEES Thousands of complaints allege the billionaire failed to pay workers what he owed. BY TINA NGUYENJUNE 10, 2016 http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-lawsuit-contractorsYou demonstrated a cartoonish paranoid over simplistic understanding of what 'Socialism' - heck you even refuse to recognize all these silly religions everyone flocked to are all about socialistic principles - although guess that different, because it's only within their little group where it's expected and everyone else can go to hell. Let me fix that for you
author="MikeYohe" = What gets me is that with all this socialists are the rats and the capitalist are the angels, type of thinking that is going on. The Republican either don’t know or care that they have become dependent on feeding their corporate overlords and squandering billions on self-made wars that only guarantee continued warfare and misery for others, while they enjoy their wealth. All the while ignoring our Earth's physical reality with impunity.You got the angels and rats mixed up in your posting of the quote. But no problem. I stand by my thinking in post #21. If you have the time, review how Trump was looked at in Europe. First, all the socialites and leftist were smashing Trump. Now they are quite. Trump is now moving into more of a peoples patriot view with the people there. I wasn’t following Trump in Europe. I was shocked by the European thinking that bringing illegal immigrants into Europe and then paying them nine thousand dollars to go home to countries where you have over 20 countries with the average yearly income under $2,000 dollars and nine countries with the income under $1,000 dollars. My guess was that you would end up having a flood of people coming to Europe no matter how hard the trip was. Just another country that manages by throwing money at problems as a fix. Europe is no closer to being able to manage the climate change than we are.
oh you mean that the same xenophobia - and fear is gripping them.
With more reason too, they’ve not millions of desperate people within walking a floating distance running from the nightmare we’ve made their homelands.
Why not simply present examples of Thumps competence and spar me the arm waving?
Why not acknowledge his many short comings?
oh you mean that the same xenophobia - and fear is gripping them. With more reason too, they've not millions of desperate people within walking a floating distance running from the nightmare we've made their homelands. Why not simply present examples of Thumps competence and spar me the arm waving? Why not acknowledge his many short comings?Already have explained that you have too many misconceptions how business works to go into that area of discussion. You will just create circles of thought based upon rhetoric. As in the post, Trumps short comings were all that were talked about at first by the unconversant of Europe. Now that a movement of the people in Europe’s has started voting, the views of Trump have changed to more substantial thinking. We are in the elections home stretch now, it is time for you to come to terms with reality about both Trump and Hillary. I see that Hillary has her gofer Burnie working the climate change. Good choice, Trump would not dare debate against Burnie. But it show us just how important climate change is to Hillary, at the bottom of the list. It will move up on her list, I sure as soon as big business gets more involved. After all, if you can't find Hillary, just look for the money, she will be there.
oh you mean that the same xenophobia - and fear is gripping them. With more reason too, they've not millions of desperate people within walking a floating distance running from the nightmare we've made their homelands. Why not simply present examples of Thumps competence and spar me the arm waving? Why not acknowledge his many short comings?Already have explained that you have too many misconceptions how business works to go into that area of discussion. But, the thing is Trump's whole business expertise is luxury resorts, casinos, golf courses, and licensing his name. What little development work he's done sounds like fiascos. Oh yeah, guess he ran the Beauty Pageant too. ;-P He started with fortune handed to him on a golden platter. When the going gets tough he has no problem throwing people under his bus. He thinks stiffing people the money he owes them is smart business practice. He demands gold furniture for himself. That isn't serious business experience. Jezz, I've been manager in restaurants including extensive banquet experience. I know about keeping books, scheduling people and supplies. Dealing with all the characters and situations that pop up over the course of wine-ing and dining. I also have hands on experience with building blueprints and materials lists and organizing the progression of a building project. l'm now occasionally involving in some serious business accounting. - of course grunt work. That doesn't make me competent in big business affairs. It does afford me an awareness of business operations and an appreciation for the varying complexities. and it does give me enough background and awareness to recognize a bull-shitter when I hear one. :smirk: Trump has thrived in a sliver of the business world, he doesn't have clue about industry, or trade, or oil business, or information technology. It's so sad that you don't recognize that Trump is simply an f'n hotel/resort guy, the front man, like them Social Captains on the huge luxury steamers of yore. There to serve the whims of the big boys and girls when they are vacationing. Trump is a lucky clown who played his cards right. But you are impressed with that limited exposure and with his contempt for contracts and others? Why, because he talks a big show? Why has cheap talk and bluster come to be so prized??? :down:
I have a question for all those who shout “SOCIALISM” whenever anyone so much as mentions anything about the government helping the downtrodden. What is your definition of socialism?
I’d also like to hear how it’s defined by people who are in favor of government social programs.
Lois
But, the thing is Trump's whole business expertise is luxury resorts, casinos, golf courses, and licensing his name. What little development work he's done sounds like fiascos. Oh yeah, guess he ran the Beauty Pageant too. ;-PDonald Trump says he 'got out' of stock market - Aug. 2, 2016 http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/02/investing/donald-trump-stock-market/ The article points out that Trump’s stock market investments were mainly hotels. Warren Buffett who is promoting Hillary is saying Trump is basely a know-nothing is stocks. Godman Sachs is kind of giving the same advice in stocks as Trump in the article. There seems to be a lot of chatter about Trump’s oil dealings with Russia right now. Don’t know if there is any truth in the chatter. The Independent out of the UK is claiming that Trump still does business in Saudi Arabia. Trump’s financial disclosures shows Mr. Trump has also invested in companies he has previously criticized, such as Apple, Amazon and the parent company of Oreo.
That isn't serious business experience. Jezz, I've been manager in restaurants including extensive banquet experience. I know about keeping books, scheduling people and supplies. Dealing with all the characters and situations that pop up over the course of wine-ing and dining. I also have hands on experience with building blueprints and materials lists and organizing the progression of a building project. l'm now occasionally involving in some serious business accounting. - of course grunt work.CC, your experience will most likely put a different light on a lot of the topics in the news. This Obama Care is an item that will be getting a lot of news headlines in the coming months. If you go a little deeper than the general public news, sort of the stuff reserved for technical trade journals. Obama Care is all about the Reserve Pool. For example, the insurance industry can lose money every year on the insurance. Losing 2.5% was standard for years. If they lost 5% in a year they started to get looked at. Insurance companies are nothing more than bookies when it comes to dealing with money. The money is made in the insurance industry in the reserve pools. Big company health care policies is just like the insurance industry. They want you to pay into a policy during your lifetime by guaranteeing that you’re medical expenses will be taken care of for the rest of your life. The bet was, they could take your monthly payments and invest part of those payments into reserve pools that would increase to the point that they would be able to pay your medical bills and have money left over. It is understood that 80% of a person’s medical bill are acquired in the last 2 years of their life. The cost of medical services has gone up more than expected and instead of making 17% on the reserve pools they were only making less than 10%. The baby boomers are now dying off and the medical costs are putting a dent in the reserve pools. What the insurance industry has done is gotten the Clintons to champion their cause, which is to save the reserve pools and not have to pay out the money. The government under Obama Care has made many of the medical policies illegal and the medical providers have be able to cancel polices. The way it is looking is that the new method is to have nationwide medical providers billing the government. The government will in effect become the new reserve pool with no money in it and pay the high costs of the baby boomers dying. The medical industry will get to keep the reserve pools for themselves. The Republicans have been fighting this actions by stopping the flow of newly printed money to the medical providers without some legitimacy as to why they are getting all this money. It is because of the Republicans that the Obama Care rates have been going up. Obama would like the government to pick up the increase costs. We are at the limit of raising taxes. Hillary wants to raise taxes. But there are so many taxing authorities and fees now that when taxes are raised they can now estimate what percentage of workers will just give up working and go on government programs. So, they say, we will raise taxes for the rich. And the rich are getting made the escape goats. But the rich don’t print money, so the costs will have to trickle down. Now we come to the main issue. Do you think that the government can print enough money without creating a world bubble that will end in a world recession to take care of the Obama Care and Climate Change? It’s simple, if you do, vote for Hillary and health insurance windfall, if not vote for Trump and climate change.
Oh hell, now it’s Obama Care - go start your own thread on Obama Care and start with a clear concise listing your grip.
Then add little supporting evidence from an objective source.
As for that rambling up there, go away. Off topic. Take it somewhere else.
Oh, now you’ve hurt his feelings
But, the thing is Trump's whole business expertise is luxury resorts, casinos, golf courses, and licensing his name. What little development work he's done sounds like fiascos. Oh yeah, guess he ran the Beauty Pageant too. ;-PDonald Trump says he 'got out' of stock market - Aug. 2, 2016 Yippy The article points out that Trump’s stock market investments were mainly hotels. ... Godman Sachs is kind of giving the same advice in stocks as Trump in the article. ... Trump’s financial disclosures shows Mr. Trump has also invested in companies he has previously criticized, such as Apple, Amazon and the parent company of Oreo. Oh yeah that proves he's sooo knowledgeable, smartest guy in the room. Funny how you dance around inconvenient information.
I have a question for all those who shout "SOCIALISM" whenever anyone so much as mentions anything about the government helping the downtrodden. What is your definition of socialism? I'd also like to hear how it's defined by people who are in favor of government social programs. LoisI'm bringing this to the top of the page as a public service. It's a good question. :)
But, the thing is Trump's whole business expertise is luxury resorts, casinos, golf courses, and licensing his name. What little development work he's done sounds like fiascos. Oh yeah, guess he ran the Beauty Pageant too. ;-PDonald Trump says he 'got out' of stock market - Aug. 2, 2016 Yippy The article points out that Trump’s stock market investments were mainly hotels. ... Godman Sachs is kind of giving the same advice in stocks as Trump in the article. ... Trump’s financial disclosures shows Mr. Trump has also invested in companies he has previously criticized, such as Apple, Amazon and the parent company of Oreo. Oh yeah that proves he's sooo knowledgeable, smartest guy in the room. Funny how you dance around inconvenient information. Where’s your logic? Do you think spin is acceptable here like in the news?
Oh hell, now it's Obama Care - go start your own thread on Obama Care and start with a clear concise listing your grip. Then add little supporting evidence from an objective source. As for that rambling up there, go away. Off topic. Take it somewhere else.Do I have to lead you by the hand to connect the dots? Isn’t Bernie, Hillary’s boy?
Oh hell, now it's Obama Care - go start your own thread on Obama Care and start with a clear concise listing your grip. Then add little supporting evidence from an objective source. As for that rambling up there, go away. Off topic. Take it somewhere else.Do I have to lead you by the hand to connect the dots? Isn’t Bernie, Hillary’s boy? No, you have to build an argument based on logic and evidence. Hillary, Bernie and Barrack are 3 very distinct people. Not connected in the way you are implying.
Oh hell, now it's Obama Care - go start your own thread on Obama Care and start with a clear concise listing your grip. Then add little supporting evidence from an objective source. As for that rambling up there, go away. Off topic. Take it somewhere else.Do I have to lead you by the hand to connect the dots? Isn’t Bernie, Hillary’s boy? No, you have to build an argument based on logic and evidence. Hillary, Bernie and Barrack are 3 very distinct people. Not connected in the way you are implying. Thank you Lausten. Mike, please if you want to talk Obama Care, start a new thread. State your case, provide a little supporting evidence. I'm sure you'll get visitors and a discussion. Oh and you haven't done anything to explain why Bernie is Hillary's "boy" - dude, you got anything real to share?
I have a question for all those who shout "SOCIALISM" whenever anyone so much as mentions anything about the government helping the downtrodden. What is your definition of socialism? I'd also like to hear how it's defined by people who are in favor of government social programs. LoisMike, it's a good question, rather than another diversion why not try responding to it. :)