If Buttigieg becomes POTUS, we will not have a first lady, but will have a first man (gentleman?). That should be an interesting juxtaposition re: gender issues. I think Pete will be fine with women’s and minorities issues, (as fine as any other Dem candidate, even as fine as Obama, as I believe Obama was limited in racial issues efficacy, ironically, because he was the 1st black POTUS. He was under his own and other’s scrutiny to be the President of all Americans, not just black ones. Hence he may not have gone as far as he could have to address black issues.)
Re: Kamala Harris
She seemed to be running on an idpol platform but her identity was not coherent enough to draw much support from any of the never ending oppressed peoples of America.
Blacks did not relate to her strongly because her life experience is much different from the norm for black Americans. Her father is a Jamaican mulatto college professor, her mother is an Indian college professor, she is from the upper middle class and she’s married to a White man.
Women who want to vote for a woman already have Warren.
There is nobody else she can appeal to.
She is a successful woman “of color” without a team.
If Buttigieg becomes POTUS, we will not have a first lady, but will have a first man (gentleman?).He could be the president and the first lady
TimB, I get the feeling you’re campaigning for Buttigieg. lol Still not interested in voting for him because his platform is nowhere near anything like Bernie’s or Warren’s. Now, if he had socialized medicine and student loan forgiveness and a green agenda etc etc etc etc on his platform that was anywhere near that of Bernie’s, then I might consider him. Thus, why I consider Warren- as a second choice- despite her being a corporate dem. As of right now, Bettigieg doesn’t even cut the mustard and I’m not voting for someone just because they’d be a first anything. There has to be more to them than that, no matter how nice the first this or that would be. Obama was a first, but I didn’t campaign and vote for him because of that. Nor did I vote for him because his background was similar to my own family’s, though that did help some. No, I voted for him because he shared my values and views of the direction of where I’d like to see this country go, in many ways, as does Bernie (even more so). Warren share them on the surface, I suspect, and probably won’t even try to follow through if elected, especially on health care, in which she is already backing down on, probably because of the greedy corporations, of whom I’m not for at all. Thus, why I’m not actually gung ho about Warren. I want socialized medicine, student loan forgiveness, free education through college, housing for everyone… basically have everyone’s basic needs met so that they focus on living, instead of just surviving. I want government to be for the people, by the people and not for greedy corporations and the rich, who don’t give a damn about the rest of us. What is more humanistic than that? Bernie maybe 70, but he has been fighting for very humanistic values all his life and I suspect, even though he does admit one person cannot do all of what he says he’s striving for, he will at least attempt to do everything he says he wants to do for this country, which is more than any corporate dem will do or any other candidate running for presidency will do. But, as he says, he needs our help to do it, [as well as the cooperation of congress]. Warren may have a plan for all of that, but when push comes to shove, she’ll cave into the greedy corporations, backing down when they say they won’t give her a kick back, just as she back down on her original health care idea. Bernie has not backed down and will not back down to greedy corporations AND he wants to make Hellmart (AKA Walmart) and other greedy slave driving corporations allow unions into their companies. Workers have a right to unite and demand fair treatment and fair wages, but Hellmart will either fire those trying to form a union or close the store that does attempt to unionize, preferring to force them to work holidays, not allowing anyone to be with family and not paying them holiday or time and half, but instead give them a measly discount that hardly makes up missing Thanksgiving with family. Instead, Hellmart rather feed their own greed by feeding off the tendency for humans to be greedy and to feed off that greed they must be open and encourage human greed so that they can feed of it themselves, reaping more money and keeping the poor poor and as bottom feeders. Yes, I just said the bottom feeders are the shoppers and workers. That’s not right for greedy corporations to do and Bernie knows it well enough to fight it. Will he succeed? I don’t know, but he offers far more than Buttigieg does, to me at least. Don’t even get me started on greedy student loan companies.
Yes, I also know about Kamala’s record as a prosecutor and I agree with you on that much concerning the Black community and all. In fact, I can actually say you’re probably right from what I read. She wasn’t above prosecuting anyone who was black and allegedly committed a crime. I think that hurt her in the race. I’m not too sure about Cory Booker though. He has some good ideas, but I don’t think he can beat the dotard. I don’t think he has the stamina to take on such an evil criminal as the dotard.
thatoneguy, I don’t think the Dems are out touch. Look at Warren. She seems to have an idea on how to get votes and then there’s Bernie, although he’s not exactly a Dem. He’s a Democratic Socialist, which he’s even said so himself. Sorry you’re not a Dem. I’ve always voted Dem, though I’m not above voting for a Democratic Socialist or a Green Party person (except in MO neither party is on the docket and Bernie is smart to run on the Dem platform).
As for having a Millennial as president, I don’t know, I like the idea of AOC running when she’s old enough. I think she’d be great or better yet, a Bernie/AOC ticket (I think she’s old enough for VP being 30). I really think it’s time we passed the torched to them because it’s their world now, not Boomers. A few GenX’ers in the mix wouldn’t hurt either.
I like Warren myself, mostly because billionaires hate her. But PLEASE, for the love of all that is good, STOP trying to be “one of us”! “I’m just at my domicile, consuming a malted carbonated alcohol drink. Is that not what you hu-mans do?” Don’t pretend to be me or try to relate to me. You aren’t me and you can’t relate. Just tell me how you’re going to fix shit and, if you get it right, I’ll just know that you understand me.
This guy states why I’m not for Biden, including my #1 reason- he was totally unhinged and I didn’t think that was very diplomatic of Biden to go off on the person as he did. IMHO, it makes him almost as bad as the dotard. A president, much less a person running for president doesn’t tell a person “You’re a damn liar” and alike. That was not very diplomatic.
But the Biden we are seeing today is going to leave voters wondering if they are just trading one embarrassing weirdo for another.
He makes some good points and I’m glad I’m not the only one who did not like what they saw in Joe Biden’s behaviour to that man.
Here’s another view for you, besides the one above concerning Biden. This one is with Robert Reich laying out why Bernie or Elizabeth Warren are our best chance to beat the dotard and why there is propaganda out there saying otherwise. The establishment doesn’t want us voting for them and he tells why.
I would hope the establishment learned their lesson the last time. But really I would be happy with ANYONE who could win the next round. It would be nice, though, if they could also win the round after that without me having to do a “What choice do I have?” vote.
EDIT: We need to start a petition on change.org to lift the ban on human cloning so we can clone Obama. His clone(s) would be eligible for 2 more terms.
He makes some good points and I’m glad I’m not the only one who did not like what they saw in Joe Biden’s behaviour to that man.You know, I started to read that article until I got to the part where Biden challenged him to a pushup contest (I think that was in the sub-headline) and I was just too embarrassed for Biden to go on. I actually knew one man in his '40s, a computer technician, who would drop and start doing pushups, at a customer site, to prove how manly he was. That man was a freak I wanted nothing to do with. This reminded me of that. What kind of douchebag thinks a pushup contest is going to settle a dispute? What the hell is going on in your head that you think, "You know what? I'll show you! I'll do more pushups then you and THEN we'll see who's right!"? That's just frigging weird. To have that thought, much less to voice it out loud, is not normal. It's not how normal people think or talk.
If Biden is elected I won’t be unhappy about it, but I will just superglue my hand to my forehead to prevent the 4 years of inevitable cumulative brain damage to come. He WILL embarrass us all and will probably be replaced by his vice president in his first term because of his rapidly declining mental faculties. There just has to be something wrong with his mind for him to act the way he does and make the huge, obvious mistakes and gaffes he makes on a daily basis. But still, I’ll take a lovable buffoon over an asshole buffoon any day of the week.
You do realize that Obama’s clone won’t be old enough to be president until 2054, at least… that is, if the cellular development ends in 2020. The clone isn’t an exact replica mentally nor is it born fully grown.
Yes, I also agree, Biden is embarrassing, especially with the thought that he could be POTUS and not show anymore diplomacy or sanity than the dotard.
You do realize that Obama’s clone won’t be old enough to be president until 2054, at least… that is, if the cellular development ends in 2020. The clone isn’t an exact replica mentally nor is it born fully grown.Time machine. Alternate universe. Alien replicant. I don't care as long as we can get a reasonable facsimile of a human being back in the office.
lol I love Obama too, but I don’t think the clone would be the same. Maybe one day, before we die, we’ll get someone who is much similar to Obama.
It is a blatant false equivalency to compare Biden’s gaff’s and eccentricities to T rump’s consistent buffoonery, lies, profoundly narcissistic and shameless character.
I am only campaigning for Buttigieg to the extent that, right now, he seems to me to be the best option to bring the party together and defeat T rump. I don’t have any particular love for gay people. I don’t care about them except that I believe they should have the same rights as everyone else. I do think it would be interesting to have a gay POTUS, but that is not why I would want him to be POTUS, rather it is just an interesting side note.
The thing I like best about Bernie is his assertion of going for Trillions of $$ to address climate change. However, Bernie makes no bones about the election being only the start. For Bernie’s policies to come to fruition, there would need to be a revolution in terms of great masses of Americans being willing to be extraordinary activists EVERY day, not just during election seasons. I don’t see that actually coming to pass. But if Bernie can get the nomination, I am in, for the possibility.
I think Buttigieg will address the climate change issue, as well as anyone. He is young. He will be around for the worst consequences of what we don’t do. Hence, I believe he will be motivated to be effective.
I love Obama more than all of you put together, but those days have passed.
You have no idea how much I love Obama, but that said, have you read the latest on the Afghan war? They all lied- The Shrub, Obama/Biden, and the Dotard. I really think/feel Biden would be bad for the U.S.
I don’t have any particular love for gay people. I don’t care about them...And this means you can never run for office because this exact portion of this quote would make the rounds. It wouldn't matter how much you said it was taken out of context or how many times you completed the quote, this would follow you everywhere. I'd still vote for you, man. Even though some of your claims are obviously blatantly false. You love Obama more than me? I don't see you finding ways around the rules to get him back. I came up with cloning, alternate universe version and alien replicant. I don't see you bringing any ideas to the table.
Widdershins, I definitely do have the advantage of never intending to run for office, so I can make honest statements, freely. I don’t have any particular feelings for anyone’s gayness. (As you quoted, I said “I don’t have any particular love for gay people.” By “particular love for gay people” I meant because of them being gay.)" I don’t love anyone or care about them because of their gayness. I want them to have the same rights as I want for all ppl. I may or may not love or care about persons who happen to be gay but it is not because of their gayness. (And note that the reason I made the statement at all is because the candidate that I promoted, is gay. I want it to be clear that his gayness is not why I think he is the best candidate.)
Re: love for Obama: I started about this time in the '08 primary season (so late '07) taking an interest in Obama as potential POTUS. I became a precinct captain, and I actually was able to barely get a majority in the caucus part of the Dem primary in my precinct so that we could send a delegate for Obama to the State Convention (me). I’m just saying I was working for Obama before most people thought he had a chance in hell of becoming POTUS. I realize it may seem hyperbole to say that I love Obama more than all of you put together, since there is no way of knowing such subjective information, for sure, but technically, you plus Mriana plus Oneguy really do probably have less love for Obama than I, on average, since I am guessing that Oneguy does not particularly love Obama at all.
Please specify what else that I said, that you consider to be blatantly false assertions.
Mriana, I too, have concerns about Biden being the nominee this time. But I will say again, it is a gross mischaracterization to think that Biden would be anywhere near the disaster that T rump is for America. Biden is a decent person. T rump is not.
Oh, and I do not want Obama to be POTUS again (mainly because it is Unconstitutional) but also because I love him and don’t want him to be exposed to the pressures of the Presidency any more. I am grateful that he got out alive, being the 1st black POTUS in our society. And we have now seen how rife with suppressed racism, in a substantial part of our population, our society still is.
I know you are playing, Widdershins, about bringing Obama back. But here’s an idea. I suppose if we really wanted to bring him back, we could try to get a Constitutional amendment to allow 3 presidential terms. But to make it more specific to Obama, the amendment should say that a third term is allowed, but not a third “consecutive” term. Iow, they could come back and try to get re-elected after not holding the office for at least 1 term. George W would also be available to run again, then, but I don’t think he would be much competition.
Widdershins, I definitely do have the advantage of never intending to run for office, so I can make honest statements, freely. I don’t have any particular feelings for anyone’s gayness.Never my intention to insinuate anything of the sort. It was just a statement about quote mining, essentially. And the entirety of my post was tongue-in-cheek. I never actually believed you stated anything blatantly false. Just messin' with ya a bit, man. I thought you were used to my messed up humor by now. But I suppose that particular edited quote mine could put one on the defensive. To be clear, I have no negative thoughts about you, was not really calling you a liar and never for a second thought that you actually were stating that you did not give a crap about gay people. I knew that what your statement was saying was essentially, "Gay or not, it makes no difference to me."
I really like that you use a dry sense of humor as I often do.
I didn’t even know Buttigieg was gay nor do I care. At the same time, I’m wondering if that was just thrown out because I said something about Obama’s background being similar to my family’s and if so, I’m not sure what one has to do with the other. I’m totally confused how it came up and why, thus why I ignored it before.
I was working for Obama during his first and second campaign, but to say you love him more than I do is very subjective. As I said, you have no idea my feeling for Obama, but at the same time, he did lie to us about the Afghan war. Do I love him any less? No, but at the same time, I know he’s not a saint. That man, because he is 1/2 black and 1/2 white is a wonderful role model for my sons though. He is living proof, during my sons’ lifetime that they really can be anything they want, if they work at it, and it’s not just words from mama to make them feel better. They’re grown now, but they still have him as a role model. He’s not perfect, but he’s like a brother and during the campaign, you have no idea how many tears I shed because of other people’s hate, death threats, and threats of physical harm. The incidents against me while I campaign for him because I was campaigning for him were reported, and I still persisted and I helped to get him in the White House, making history. The day we did, I shed tears of joy. So don’t even try to say you love him more, because you have no idea. I never campaigned for anyone before and I might not ever campaign again. It all depends on how strongly I feel about a person running for president, but I can tell you I felt so stronging about Barack Obama that he was the first and so far only person I campaigned for, not once, but twice. If I didn’t feel strongly for him, I wouldn’t have campaigned twice for him and endured the crap I did from racist bigots. You can’t compare it and it’s not a competition either.