What do CFI followers think about the Iran Nuclear deal?
We still have plenty of time to discuss it before Congress must decided whether they will try to shut it down. Meanwhile both political sides are providing a full court press for their perspectives.
Personally, I am proud of the job that John Kerry, et. al. have done, and believe that the best course, now, would be for Congress to approve the deal.
I encourage anyone who has the stomach for it to watch some of the CSPAN coverage of the Congressional hearings on the Iran Deal. What I think you will see, is, primarily, on the one hand, 3 statesmen steadfastly trying to explain the deal and answer questions about it, extremely rationally vs. partisan congressmen trying to showcase themselves for their own political interests. The setup is such that each congressman has about 5 minutes total to present their (mostly rhetorical and multiple, multiple questions) AND for Kerry and/or Lew, and/or the Energy Secretary (I can’t think of his name) who actually know what the deal is, to respond. The result being that the statesmen are repeatedly cut off from answering the questions.
If not for Kerry’s confidence and facility in dealing with congressional shenanigans such as this, they would simply be run over by the congressmen’s partisan showmanship, such that it is.
Here is some background on the deal from the Economist: Making the world a bit safer | The Economist
Thanks for being the first to have the balls to weigh in, Gary.
As far as the title of the article making a point of indicating that the deal is “imperfect”, I couldn’t make out how they thought a “perfect” deal might have been attainable.
If I was a Repub I’d vote for it. Repubs control both houses. So if they don’t pass it, and something happens, they’ll be squarely to blame. Whereas if they pass it, and something happens, they can easily blame Obama.
If I was a Repub I'd vote for it. Repubs control both houses. So if they don't pass it, and something happens, they'll be squarely to blame. Whereas if they pass it, and something happens, they can easily blame Obama.Good point Cuthbert. (Thanks for your input. I'm not sure why others are not saying anything about this issue. It seems like a pretty important topic to me.) I would suggest that some Repubs (i.e., especially among those who are, also, Presidential candidates) are, also, making political hay out of feeding on their poorly informed constituencies' warranted distrust of the leadership in Iran, by falsely framing this deal as being based on trusting Iran.
No one else has the chutzpah to comment on this important current events issue?
OK, I’ll make a controversial comment.
Chuck (king of the Jews in the US Senate) Shumer has now formed common cause with the neo-cons of Israel, and the "Death-to-Israel-and- America crowd in Iran, and every Republican member of Congress, and their ideological leader, Israel’s version of Dick Cheney, Benjamin Nitwityahoo, in unanimously opposing the Iran Nuke Deal.
That Shumer is more loyal to Israel’s neocons, than he is to the best interests of the USA, or to his own Party and POTUS, I think should disqualify him from any imminent leadership role in the Senate.
We are gradually approaching the possible veto-proof congressional destruction of the Iran Nuke Deal. And therefore, we are coming closer to being forced into military action that will turn the Mega-Snafu-Clusterf#@k, that is the Middle East, into the Super-Deluxe-Hell-on-Earth-Mega-Snafu-Clusterf#@k Middle East.
No one else has the chutzpah to comment on this important current events issue? OK, I'll make a controversial comment. Chuck (king of the Jews in the US Senate) Shumer has now formed common cause with the neo-cons of Israel, and the "Death-to-Israel-and- America crowd in Iran, and every Republican member of Congress, and their ideological leader, Israel's version of Dick Cheney, Benjamin Nitwityahoo, in unanimously opposing the Iran Nuke Deal. That Shumer is more loyal to Israel's neocons, than he is to the best interests of the USA, or to his own Party and POTUS, I think should disqualify him from any imminent leadership role in the Senate. We are gradually approaching the possible veto-proof congressional destruction of the Iran Nuke Deal. And therefore, we are coming closer to being forced into military action that will turn the Mega-Snafu-Clusterf#@k, that is the Middle East, into the Super-Deluxe-Hell-on-Earth-Mega-Snafu-Clusterf#@k Middle East.Which is exactly what the right wing wants. They have never met a war they didn't love with passion. Lois
No one else has the chutzpah to comment on this important current events issue? OK, I'll make a controversial comment. Chuck (king of the Jews in the US Senate) Shumer has now formed common cause with the neo-cons of Israel, and the "Death-to-Israel-and- America crowd in Iran, and every Republican member of Congress, and their ideological leader, Israel's version of Dick Cheney, Benjamin Nitwityahoo, in unanimously opposing the Iran Nuke Deal. That Shumer is more loyal to Israel's neocons, than he is to the best interests of the USA, or to his own Party and POTUS, I think should disqualify him from any imminent leadership role in the Senate. We are gradually approaching the possible veto-proof congressional destruction of the Iran Nuke Deal. And therefore, we are coming closer to being forced into military action that will turn the Mega-Snafu-Clusterf#@k, that is the Middle East, into the Super-Deluxe-Hell-on-Earth-Mega-Snafu-Clusterf#@k Middle East.Whoch is exactly what the right wing wants. They have never met a war they didn't love with passion. Lois Yeah, but I think that Chuck Shumer doesn't want war, he just wants to keep getting elected, which, apparently, is more important to him than staving off war. (I wonder if it was just coincidence that he waited until the day after Jon Stewart was gone, to announce his decision to oppose the negotiated deal.)
Another Jewish congressman, Brad Sherman, has become the latest to betray his party, his President, and the country that he was elected to represent.
Every country in the world supports the nuclear agreement with Iran, except for Israel (and perhaps the US). Even an ex-head of the Moussad supports the deal.
Shumer’s position is basically: It’s a tough call, but no. Go back and get a better deal.
That is disingenuous (IOW a lie), because going back to the 5 other nations that were on our side, and convincing them we must start over will be impossible. And even if it were possible, Iran will not negotiate further.
It is absolutely incredible that we got this deal, in the first place, considering our “partners” in the negotiation, and in the imposition of effective sanctions on Iran, included Russia and China.
And now, Jewish Democrats are, out of greater loyalty to their own continued political prospects or perhaps loyalty to Israel over the US, are risking blowing the deal away. This kind of hypocrisy and betrayal of our nation’s best interest, we have come to expect from the Christian theocrats (i.e., the Republicans). But now we must endure it from Democrats as well.
If they are sincere in their beliefs, I suggest that they join the Republican Party.
While I am naming names, add these Jewish Democratic congress-persons, to the list of traitors who should change their party affiliation:
Elliot Engel, Ted Deutch, Nita Lowey, Steve Israel
While I am naming names, add these Jewish Democratic congress-persons, to the list of traitors who should change their party affiliation: Elliot Engel, Ted Deutch, Nita Lowey, Steve IsraelThe problem is that many Jewish American politicians don't identify themselves as what they are: putative citizens of Israel--and that citizenship comes first and foremost. They would trash the US and send Americans down the river for an Israeli advantage. In my opinion they are traitors. Democrat traitors, some of them--the worst kind. They'd sell their grandmother for an Israeli advantage--and they'd sell out the United States for it as well. They're similar to, but worse than, Mexican Ameicans waving the Mexican flag to show their love for the United States. Lois
While I am naming names, add these Jewish Democratic congress-persons, to the list of traitors who should change their party affiliation: Elliot Engel, Ted Deutch, Nita Lowey, Steve IsraelThe problem is that many Jewish American politicians don't identify themselves as what they are: putative citizens of Israel--and that citizenship comes first and foremost. They would trash the US and send Americans down the river for an Israeli advantage. In my opinion they are traitors. Democrat traitors, some of them--the worst kind. They'd sell their grandmother for an Israeli advantage--and they'd sell out the United States for it as well. They're similar to, but worse than, Mexican Ameicans waving the Mexican flag to show their love for the United States. Lois Something that is ironically egregious, IMO, is even if these congressmen's primary allegiance is to Israel, we are contributing more than ever to Israel's defense. One example, is that we have contributed monetarily to Israel's missile defense capabilities at about 3 times under the Obama administration than was the case under the Bush administration. And these Jewish Democrats repay Obama with betrayal.
While I am naming names, add these Jewish Democratic congress-persons, to the list of traitors who should change their party affiliation: Elliot Engel, Ted Deutch, Nita Lowey, Steve IsraelThe problem is that many Jewish American politicians don't identify themselves as what they are: putative citizens of Israel--and that citizenship comes first and foremost. They would trash the US and send Americans down the river for an Israeli advantage. In my opinion they are traitors. Democrat traitors, some of them--the worst kind. They'd sell their grandmother for an Israeli advantage--and they'd sell out the United States for it as well. They're similar to, but worse than, Mexican Ameicans waving the Mexican flag to show their love for the United States. Lois Something that is ironically egregious, IMO, is even if these congressmen's primary allegiance is to Israel, we are contributing more than ever to Israel's defense. One example, is that we have contributed monetarily to Israel's missile defense capabilities at about 3 times under the Obama administration than was the case under the Bush administration. And these Jewish Democrats repay Obama with betrayal.Some social lessons have to be learned over and over again.
What’s the difference between a Socialist Jewish U.S. congressman and a Democrat Jewish U.S. congressman? The Socialist is more likely to be loyal to the Democratic Party, and the Democratic President, and the USA.
Thanks, Bernie, for your loyalty, clear-thinking, and integrity.
While I am naming names, add these Jewish Democratic congress-persons, to the list of traitors who should change their party affiliation: Elliot Engel, Ted Deutch, Nita Lowey, Steve IsraelThe problem is that many Jewish American politicians don't identify themselves as what they are: putative citizens of Israel--and that citizenship comes first and foremost. They would trash the US and send Americans down the river for an Israeli advantage. In my opinion they are traitors. Democrat traitors, some of them--the worst kind. They'd sell their grandmother for an Israeli advantage--and they'd sell out the United States for it as well. They're similar to, but worse than, Mexican Ameicans waving the Mexican flag to show their love for the United States. Lois Something that is ironically egregious, IMO, is even if these congressmen's primary allegiance is to Israel, we are contributing more than ever to Israel's defense. One example, is that we have contributed monetarily to Israel's missile defense capabilities at about 3 times under the Obama administration than was the case under the Bush administration. And these Jewish Democrats repay Obama with betrayal. They are contributing to Israel's offense, not defence, toward the Palestinians. Israel has many times the firepower of the Palestinians. It isn't Palestinians encroaching on Israeli land. Yet we spend billions on aid to Israel while a good portion of its population refuses to join the military while everyone else, male and female, must do so. I don't think for a minute that we support Israel for reasons of strategy. We support Israel for one reason and only one reason: the Jewish lobby and Jews in Congress who pledge their allegiance to Israel while pretending to pledge it to the United States. Anyone here see it otherwise?
Abraham Foxman is probably monitoring this thread.
Tim,
Lois is 100% correct.
Israel for the most part has always been located in the United States in my thinking. Of course they do have that land in the Middle East that operates the world’s largest out door prison and collects healthy support from the United States. It wasn’t until last year that Israel had as many Jews as the United States. And Israel’s Jews are from all over the world, with a lot being from Russia. Most Jews with wealth are here in the United States.
Maybe they have a good point. When America crashes, they have a place to go to so they won’t be taxed to death. And they have a place for the old Jews to retire and have their SS checks sent to. Plus they can afford a Palestinian maid.
Lois,
I had internet sites in Israel banded on me twice. A few years back I made up a poem following the three little pigs about a country that would huff and puff and bulldoze the neighbor’s house down. The huff and puff caught on in the news reports over there.
The next trouble I had was when Israel and the US was selling to the Israeli people what a great system the MIM-104 Patriot System was. I just pointed out how the system also would help the other side should they want to deploy a nuclear dirty bomb. That the Patriot System now made a simple dirty bomb really effective.
Not that I have time to do that sort of stuff. But at the time I was researching religion. And talking to several Israeli Rabbi’s. To say that an Israeli Rabbi has the religious knowledge of 100 Baptists would really be short changing the rabbi. The Israeli Rabbis are for the most part very nice people. I know it is not what we are seeing in the news right now. But I got to tell you, all the one’s I dealt with were really great.
On the subject of Iran and the nuclear stuff. The rest of the world sees what is going on, why don’t we?
Iran and the rest of the world is not as pissed off at Israel as they are at the US. They understand Israel can only do what it is doing because of the US. And now they are all sick and tired of the US allowing these action to go on. And they watch as gas fields in the Mediterranean Sea in Palestinian lands are being stolen and developed by Israel. They understand it is mostly about water, gas, oil and land. And they understand all the countries are willing to sign and have been willing to sign for years a nuclear free Middle East treaty, except Israel refuses to sign.
While I am naming names, add these Jewish Democratic congress-persons, to the list of traitors who should change their party affiliation: Elliot Engel, Ted Deutch, Nita Lowey, Steve IsraelThe problem is that many Jewish American politicians don't identify themselves as what they are: putative citizens of Israel--and that citizenship comes first and foremost. They would trash the US and send Americans down the river for an Israeli advantage. In my opinion they are traitors. Democrat traitors, some of them--the worst kind. They'd sell their grandmother for an Israeli advantage--and they'd sell out the United States for it as well. They're similar to, but worse than, Mexican Ameicans waving the Mexican flag to show their love for the United States. Lois Something that is ironically egregious, IMO, is even if these congressmen's primary allegiance is to Israel, we are contributing more than ever to Israel's defense. One example, is that we have contributed monetarily to Israel's missile defense capabilities at about 3 times under the Obama administration than was the case under the Bush administration. And these Jewish Democrats repay Obama with betrayal. They are contributing to Israel's offense, not defence, toward the Palestinians. Israel has many times the firepower of the Palestinians. It isn't Palestinians encroaching on Israeli land. Yet we spend billions on aid to Israel while a good portion of its population refuses to join the military while everyone else, male and female, must do so. I don't think for a minute that we support Israel for reasons of strategy. We support Israel for one reason and only one reason: the Jewish lobby and Jews in Congress who pledge their allegiance to Israel while pretending to pledge it to the United States. Anyone here see it otherwise? Have you not heard of the Iron Dome project? That would be considered defensive. But it is a moot point, because a good defense allows one to be more offensive, if one is so inclined. I sincerely doubt that the ONLY reason for our support of Israel is because of the influence of Jewish congressmen. But I don't think it is in our best interests for us to be forced into a position where we must commit military actions because of the influence of the Republican chicken hawks and Christian theologists and Jewish Democrats who, essentially, join their cause due to their support of Israel's hardliners' wishes.