In fact, indecent exposure in public is punishable by law even in the very liberal states like Maryland and Massachusetts.Kinda puts it all in perspective doesn't it? It says there is a line somewhere. The argument is about where different people want to draw the line. It really isn't about anyone having the right to do what they want. That is already discounted in the law of many lands. As for respect v revealing, a recent article suggested that women showing more cleavage are seen as better bosses (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4677186/Women-cleavage-seen-better-bosses.html). Of course, the "news" story didn't give enough information to track down the article easily and every other story seems to refer to the Daily Mail article. However, the research articles on the topic seem very divided on the issue. Do we respect movie stars with skirt slits to their waists? Successful female movie stars are usually highly intelligent and ambitious women who have played the system to achieve success. I don't blame them because they are also victims of our immoral western idea of society. They have 'gone with the flow' that is not of their making.
I agree, but I think it's a little naive to assume every woman who dresses in a sexy way is dumb.Lois is probably referring to "book smarts". Women who dress "inappropriately" are socially smart and know exactly what they're doing. I don't know that I'd call that "socially smart" either. It isn't socially smart to disturb people. I think it can amount to abuse. If they had any sense they wouldn't do something to cause disturbance and discomfort. Even women can be disturbed by provocative dress and the effect it has on men. I, for one, don't like to see men provoked. It causes bad behavior in the men, which disturbs women, too. I prefer a calmer atmosphere in most venues, most especially in a classroom setting. Most women do it for an ego trip, knowing they will create a disturbance. That isn"t being socially smart in my opiniom. It's deliberately causing a disturbance and they are usually well-aware of what they are doing.Seems like you're describing a lack of social courtesy rather than social stupidity. If what those women do amounts to a disturbance, then it's a disturbance hardly anybody cares about. And ultimately they're successful in getting what they want. The problem is men are such weak creatures when it comes to women. They seem to want both a sexual partner and a mother-figure. Women, of course, play on this and know what power they have over men, which is why they are resistant to modesty. It's a power game and women are experts at it.
I think the real issue of not revealing too much of one’s body is a matter of getting people’s attention for what one thinks and does over how one looks.Why not let women do their own calculations on that? Why are your opinions on their dress needed?
It is the equivalent of playing loud music in public when it is not wanted.Nonsense. It more like equivalent to your personal hang up thingie - and yes keep that volume down there are ordinances. What's wrong with being sensitive to other people's feelings? Is this all about me?? Wait a minute - you're the one making this all about your opinion that you understand God and thus your opinion of a woman's modesty is sacrosanct or something. Think about it, in your head you can find no difference between someone driving down a street blaring their sound system at 110 decibels and a pretty girl who on that particular day decided for whatever the heck reason to dress provocatively. You could easily look away from the lady, but the screaming sound invades every space and can't be escaped. Again you could easily look away from the lady, but you won't, your eye's will leer and you will hate her for your own weakness. -excuse me- I'll take an eccentric goddess enjoying a fashion blow out to your dark monstrosities any day.
The problem is men are such weak creatures when it comes to women. They seem to want both a sexual partner and a mother-figure. Women, of course, play on this and know what power they have over men, which is why they are resistant to modesty. It's a power game and women are experts at it.That is an utterly foolish statement. What in the world is 'resistant to modesty'? Civilized men can control themselves when they look at a pretty woman wear a revealing dress; and they do not feel the need to force her to dress modestly. Thus, there is no question of being 'resistant' to modesty. Men that cannot control themselves should be barred from the civilized world if they were born and raised in a jungle; if they were born in the civilized world, they should be punished according to the laws of the civilized world.
It is the equivalent of playing loud music in public when it is not wanted.Nonsense. It more like equivalent to your personal hang up thingie - and yes keep that volume down there are ordinances. What's wrong with being sensitive to other people's feelings? Is this all about me?? Wait a minute - you're the one making this all about your opinion that you understand God and thus your opinion of a woman's modesty is sacrosanct or something. Think about it, in your head you can find no difference between someone driving down a street blaring their sound system at 110 decibels and a pretty girl who on that particular day decided for whatever the heck reason to dress provocatively. You could easily look away from the lady, but the screaming sound invades every space and can't be escaped. Again you could easily look away from the lady, but you won't, your eye's will leer and you will hate her for your own weakness. -excuse me- I'll take an eccentric goddess enjoying a fashion blow out to your dark monstrosities any day. You can look away from the lady, yes, but it's already too late as the emotional impact of seeing a sexy lady has been registered.
The problem is men are such weak creatures when it comes to women. They seem to want both a sexual partner and a mother-figure. Women, of course, play on this and know what power they have over men, which is why they are resistant to modesty. It's a power game and women are experts at it.That is an utterly foolish statement. What in the world is 'resistant to modesty'? Civilized men can control themselves when they look at a pretty woman wear a revealing dress; and they do not feel the need to force her to dress modestly. Thus, there is no question of being 'resistant' to modesty. Men that cannot control themselves should be barred from the civilized world if they were born and raised in a jungle; if they were born in the civilized world, they should be punished according to the laws of the civilized world. So you don't agree that some women use their sexuality to influence men?
I think the real issue of not revealing too much of one’s body is a matter of getting people’s attention for what one thinks and does over how one looks.Why not let women do their own calculations on that? Why are your opinions on their dress needed? Women can't take advice? That seems arrogant to me.
Women can't take advice? That seems arrogant to me.Nobody takes advice they didn't ask for. What woman who was dressing "inappropriately" would read this thread and then change her style? Much of this thread seems to presume that such women are dumb, or appear dumb. I think this thread is dumb, or appears dumb. Again I ask, do men reveal too much of their minds? In this thread, yes.
You can look away from the lady, yes, but it's already too late as the emotional impact of seeing a sexy lady has been registered.Yeah a beautiful woman, especially provocatively dressed one, yes, the male mind registers beautiful sexy woman. Perhaps even occasionally a fleeting eye to eye passes between you and said goddess and damned that particularly cuties registers down in your body. Know what I do, and I suspect all healthy males do, enjoy the sensation of still being alive while moving along. Its all a part of being a human and part of a vibrant community. But then I've gone through life by entirely different code of ethics than I think you can imagine. For instance here's been a wonderful golden rule I formulated in my twenties and oh boy, lordie has it served me quite well these past decades. "I don't want anything from anyone that they don't want to offer me." Living that attitude makes dust of all your anguished contrivances. Take responsibility for yourself - stop expecting others to babysit you.
Women can't take advice? That seems arrogant to me.Nobody takes advice they didn't ask for. What woman who was dressing "inappropriately" would read this thread and then change her style? Much of this thread seems to presume that such women are dumb, or appear dumb. I think this thread is dumb, or appears dumb. Again I ask, do men reveal too much of their minds? In this thread, yes. Also it seems to presume there is such A woman. Every day we dress differently. Why not step out on the wild once in a while. Again, it's part of being a vibrant human.
How about let’s put this in another way. Why do corporations have dress codes? And if you work for a company that doesn’t, what would you say if a coworker, male or female, showed up in nothing but a thong.
How about let's put this in another way. Why do corporations have dress codes? And if you work for a company that doesn't, what would you say if a coworker, male or female, showed up in nothing but a thong.What other people wear or don't wear is none of my business. In fact, I'm totally naked under my clothes all day every day, and nothing I've read here will change my style! Naked, naked, naked, nekkid, nekkid, nekkid!! Get over it everyone. :-0
You can look away from the lady, yes, but it's already too late as the emotional impact of seeing a sexy lady has been registered.Yeah a beautiful woman, especially provocatively dressed one, yes, the male mind registers beautiful sexy woman. Perhaps even occasionally a fleeting eye to eye passes between you and said goddess and damned that particularly cuties registers down in your body. Know what I do, and I suspect all healthy males do, enjoy the sensation of still being alive while moving along. Its all a part of being a human and part of a vibrant community. But then I've gone through life by entirely different code of ethics than I think you can imagine. For instance here's been a wonderful golden rule I formulated in my twenties and oh boy, lordie has it served me quite well these past decades. "I don't want anything from anyone that they don't want to offer me." Living that attitude makes dust of all your anguished contrivances. Take responsibility for yourself - stop expecting others to babysit you. Very ethical. I applaud you. :-)
Women can't take advice? That seems arrogant to me.Nobody takes advice they didn't ask for. What woman who was dressing "inappropriately" would read this thread and then change her style? Much of this thread seems to presume that such women are dumb, or appear dumb. I think this thread is dumb, or appears dumb. Again I ask, do men reveal too much of their minds? In this thread, yes. I somehow get the feeling you're a woman Tanny. :red:
How about let's put this in another way. Why do corporations have dress codes? And if you work for a company that doesn't, what would you say if a coworker, male or female, showed up in nothing but a thong.What other people wear or don't wear is none of my business. In fact, I'm totally naked under my clothes all day every day, and nothing I've read here will change my style! Naked, naked, naked, nekkid, nekkid, nekkid!! Get over it everyone. :-0 Oh boy, I'm getting a little flushed here. :cheese:
You can look away from the lady, yes, but it's already too late as the emotional impact of seeing a sexy lady has been registered.Get over it, boy! It is not the lady's problem. She should not change her style for you. If you are grown up enough, you could certainly look at her like your mother, sister, daughter or granddaughter. They all have the same general body features as that sexy lady, and in a nation of people that are worth calling humans, they all have the right to dress comfortably and stylishly, including what some people call provocatively. I felt disgusted when I saw a news story from Saudi Arabia a few months back. A middle age woman was a participant in some kind of an election in that jungle nation. Her handsome young son had to drive her around in order for her to campaign, as she was not allowed to drive in that country. If people like that young man grew up with the sense of human dignity, they would have revolted to bring that sense to that nation, instead of complying with the subjugation of women, including their mothers.
I think the real issue of not revealing too much of one’s body is a matter of getting people’s attention for what one thinks and does over how one looks.Why not let women do their own calculations on that? Why are your opinions on their dress needed? Well, I am not a member of the men gang that is to fight the women gang. My thoughts and opinions on everything women matter, because I was given birth by a woman, I have been loved and cared about by many women in many capacities, I have given birth to a woman and I have been loving and caring about many women in many different ways. I think I could not call myself an honorable man if I accepted my mother or my daughter to belong to an inferior gender that is to be subjugated. So, I surely want women to be paid attention to and respected for their real quality - knowledge, wisdom, talent, honesty, integrity, etc. kind of qualities for which all kinds of humans are to be paid attention to and respected.
round and round we go …
You can look away from the lady, yes, but it's already too late as the emotional impact of seeing a sexy lady has been registered.Yeah a beautiful woman, especially provocatively dressed one, yes, the male mind registers beautiful sexy woman. Perhaps even occasionally a fleeting eye to eye passes between you and said goddess and damned that particularly cuties registers down in your body. Know what I do, and I suspect all healthy males do, enjoy the sensation of still being alive while moving along. Its all a part of being a human and part of a vibrant community. But then I've gone through life by entirely different code of ethics than I think you can imagine. For instance here's been a wonderful golden rule I formulated in my twenties and oh boy, lordie has it served me quite well these past decades. "I don't want anything from anyone that they don't want to offer me." Living that attitude makes dust of all your anguished contrivances. Take responsibility for yourself - stop expecting others to babysit you. Very ethical. I applaud you. :-) Yes I am a very ethical person! What's the deal with you? - In light of your comments here I simply can't imagine the barrenness of your mindscape. Webplodder what are your ethics like? I ask because you sound more like a Misogynist than anything else. Variety is beautiful. Haven't you heard humanity is a rainbow and women are wonderful in all their aspects :cheese:
You can look away from the lady, yes, but it's already too late as the emotional impact of seeing a sexy lady has been registered.Get over it, boy! It is not the lady's problem. She should not change her style for you. If you are grown up enough, you could certainly look at her like your mother, sister, daughter or granddaughter. They all have the same general body features as that sexy lady, and in a nation of people that are worth calling humans, they all have the right to dress comfortably and stylishly, including what some people call provocatively. I felt disgusted when I saw a news story from Saudi Arabia a few months back. A middle age woman was a participant in some kind of an election in that jungle nation. Her handsome young son had to drive her around in order for her to campaign, as she was not allowed to drive in that country. If people like that young man grew up with the sense of human dignity, they would have revolted to bring that sense to that nation, instead of complying with the subjugation of women, including their mothers. I think most of them agree with it. If they don't keep women in their place, who knows what might happen. Common sense might creep in and they couldn't bear that!