Can someone help me wrap my head around an issue? In a same sex marriage (m/m). They adopted a son at birth. He is now 18 months old. One of the parents has started to dress the child in a dress occasionally. Are my wife and I antiquated in our thinking that this should be the child’s choice and not the parental wishes.
I have pictures of my great grandfather as a toddler, in a dress. How does an 18 month old make a choice?
I didn’t recall the various ages and stages of development.
A quick google implies the ability to choose may begin to emerge at around 12 months.
Maybe the child has indicated an occasional choice of a dress.
How many times have parents of the past replied “No, that’s for girls” or “No, that’s for boys” ?
At that age kids aren’t showing any fashion preferences. Babies only make a big fuss about clothing if the clothes are uncomfortable, or they just don’t want to wear anything! Parents can dress their child however they want, but it is maybe a red flag when a gay man is making a boy wear a dress. I would suspect they are trying to make a statement.
Not my style, but hey, who am I to judge.
Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1884, at the age of 2.
https: //www. smithsonianmag. com/arts-culture/when-did-girls-start-wearing-pink-1370097/?c=y&page=1
FDR Grew Up in a Dress: It Wasn’t Always Blue for Boys and Pink for Girls
DANIEL FROMSON, APRIL 14, 2011
https: //www. theatlantic. com/national/archive/2011/04/fdr-grew-up-in-a-dress-it-wasnt-always-blue-for-boys-and-pink-for-girls/237299/
Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1884, at the age of 2.So that's where his socialist leanings started! Interesting that his feminine side, obviously nurtured early on, came out so strong later in his politics. As the twig is bent so grows the tree seems to be true in his case. Those were not little boy's shoes. This is why we have to be careful about who gets to raise children. (And which bathroom they use.)
Excuse me, but up to WWII, the custom was to clothe male children in dresses. It is true not only in USA but also in Europe.
My grand mother had a photo of my father 3 years old in dress at 3.
In french Brittany, the gift of the first pants to a male child was a rite making accession to maleness and cleanness.
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/04/08/breeching-boys-2/
Hmmm, so now Franklin D. Roosevelt has become an enemy of the extreme-right or should I say trump totalitarians? Is there anything they can’t be brainwashed into believing?
Oh and why does Bob sound like, being influenced with a sense of nurturing and empathy is such a bad thing? It’s not like Teddy didn’t have plenty of blood lust and imperial destruction in his heart also, I’d think he’d be a hero for u’al.
He is a complicated figure, easy to love, easy to hate. But, none of us know who we’d have turned into had we been born the year he was, let alone in his shoes, so don’t be too harsh whatever your opinion.
This is why we have to be careful about who gets to raise children. (And which bathroom they use.)Why, other than that boys tend to piss all over the place? I can see why girls object to sharing their toilets with boys. I would have no objection to sharing my bathroom with a male gender oriented lesbian. As long as the user uses good hygiene and reasonable privacy, there is no prohibitive reason why different genders cannot share bathrooms as they do at home.
Would you feel better if it was a kilt? Kilts for everyone!
Socialism comes from women? I thought they were just baby factories?
ROFlMAO! That’s way too funny, @lausten. But the baby factories is what the Religious Reich wants us to be.
A different angle from which to view this subject:
When someone comes up with a good argument, even a decent argument, that gender-specific clothing serves a useful purpose to society then I’ll be all for it. I’ll buy into the facts and the science which assuredly and must be behind it. Promise.
(I weep for the individual who bases such an assertion on socially conservative values, or on such piddling arguments as “it will confuse the child,” or, “its what we are meant to be by the creation of God.”)
Should this argument not be in place, though, I would suggest that society is not better for making boys wear blue and girls wear pink or little boys wearing jeans and only girls wearing dresses.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/when-did-girls-start-wearing-pink-1370097/
What is interesting in the article is that it shows that social conventions change with time. there was a time when blue was girly …
So long for people who think that " nature " dictates " these things !
I’ve always like the colour pink, as did my grandmother and I loved dressing like my grandmother and mother.
... gender-specific clothing serves a useful purpose to society ...Useful? How about clothing in general?
In general, men put on their suit of armor to go out and do battle with nature and with other men. Women, in general, dress to accentuate the fact that they are naked underneath their clothes.
I’m sure some sociologist could explain that this convention comes from our early division of labor within the family group. The man’s sphere of influence is outside the home and the woman’s world ends at the mailbox is a common idea. And of course the fact that sex sells is well known to advertisers.
In general, men put on their suit of armor to go out and do battle with nature and with other men. Women, in general, dress to accentuate the fact that they are naked underneath their clothes.
Tell the to Joan of Arc and other women like her. Of course they are dead, but they suited up for battle too. Oh and might I add very few women dress to accentuate the fact they are naked under their clothing. Before the turn of the century, women had to be very modest. Now days, women wear sweats, which covers a lot, and other clothes that do not accentuated their nakedness.