@sree as the professor in the video I posted said, (and this isn’t an exact quote) you can’t have a civil rights movement without feminism. Women still don’t have equality and to fight for equality for women, one must also bring black people, especially black women, with them. So when I fight for equality, I metaphorically grab the hands of others no matter the colour of their skin, because we are talking human rights. While women can now get a credit card and a bank account without their father or husband, we still don’t get equal pay and many women get fired still for becoming pregnant (which happened to me a little 0ver 31 years ago and it still happens to women). The subject of equality is a big one that can be summed up into human rights.
Am I lucky or unlucky to have never experienced that?Peace of mind.
vs.
Up front familiarity with humanity’s horrors.
Considering what Covid is doing and has yet to do, add to that the death of empathy and the growing mutual antagonism and hatred, that sprouting like weeds with the active help of America’s president Racist in Chief, you aren’t missing anything worth experiencing.
I have the feeling you’ve got a lot in life that millions would envy.
Be grateful, (& guilt-free at your good fortune and that you got their without trampling others) and enjoy your days to the best of your abilities, since our collective tomorrows are not going to get better. Too many tipping points have been passed and too many believe in delusional thinking, and momentum is a terrible force when pointed in the wrong direction.
If they were using this to kill rich white kids, it would be changed by the end of the week.Objection, your Honor. This testimony is both argumentative and speculative because it's unreliable, non-factual and takes the doctrine of qualified immunity beyond its judicial intent.
But he’s right, @sree.
Am I lucky or unlucky to have never experienced that?Kudos to CC's response to that question.
My response is that I think you were specifically asking about being present when someone is directly making racial pejorative statements to (a) black person/s, live and in person.
That is pretty rare, I would say, overall. Sure there are viral memes that go around that show that it happens, but that is not part of normal social interaction, in most places
Objection, your Honor. This testimony is both argumentative and speculative because it’s unreliable, non-factual and takes the doctrine of qualified immunity beyond its judicial intent. --SreeI expected you would object to my speculation. However, have you ever looked at how Qualified Immunity is implemented? It is used to let police officers free after committing heinous crimes. You can look this up yourself. If it were being used to protect officers in cases where they accidentally caused harm in an honest attempt to do their job, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. That's what the vast majority of Americans believe is happening. They believe the system is just and will catch the few "bad apples". They are wrong. You are wrong Sree.
CC and Tim, my lack of even second-hand experience of the application of prejudice can’t help but make me ignorant of what the reality of it is. It’s not that I haven’t been the recipient of it, I haven’t even seen someone be the recipient.
Empathy is my only means of tapping into the feelings of someone who’s been insulted/repressed/bullied/etc. due to their race/color/religion/gender/orientation/etc. But empathy without any first hand experience to back it up is too weak to be of any value in a conversation. It’s like me saying I know what a parent goes through when their child has been raped - I don’t, to such a degree that it is rude of me to even pretend I do.
And that’s why ‘Black Lives Matter’ isn’t a topic I discuss, other than to agree with the premise.
So I think the answer to my question of whether I’m lucky or not is: Both. I’m lucky that I haven’t seen some of the worst things one human can do to another (needless cruelty is a the top of my list of things that ruin my day). I’m unlucky because I can’t truly empathize with the pain so many people needlessly endure.
And that’s why ‘Black Lives Matter’ isn’t a topic I discuss, other than to agree with the premise. -- 3ptBut, you know that prejudice occurs right? And you know that it not only hurts individuals, but it harms how our economy works right? It imprisons people who should be functioning and voting members of our society. It is part of how all wages are kept low and all low income people are kept ignorant. It's affecting you right now, even though you don't "see" it.
Lausten, yes, I know all that. But stating the obvious on here is pointless. We could also have a thread on how the sky is blue (and if oneguy and sree scoff and claim it’s sarcoline, that won’t give the thread more value.)
Just because trolls keep this thread rolling doesn’t mean there is value to it. The main thing this does is allow you folks to hone your discussion points and see the angles that the trolls use to fend off intelligent discussion. I totally get that and have enjoyed making many a post to someone who I know is not going to ‘get it’, simply for the enjoyment of writing and having fun with words [oh how I don’t miss Sherlock Holmes].
I absolutely see the value in this thread and hopefully the ideas you and the others are able to fine-tune on here can be used in the real world where they will affect change, however small. But my desire to join you in explaining obvious stuff to a couple of thoughtless clowns is pretty low, partly because I have no experience with the topic and partly because I would not be able to control my anger and frustration with the trolls.
If this was a scientific topic I’d participate, but when human rights are involved my emotions are too close to the surface and I get too angry and frustrated with the trolls to keep the discussion on a civil level.
They are wrong. You are wrong Sree.I know, and they all say that in prison.
Look, here’s the deal. You are upset with the justice system because it’s unjust. Guess what, the whole system is rotten by one person’s reckoning or another. So, you either step away from a rigged card game or shut up and play. You won’t. Guess what, neither would Trump. He had been watching the injustice for a long time, pissed off like you are and decided to do something about it. Are you happier now?
What he decided to do is murder U.S. citizens. Oh he’s not murdering them directly, but rather having a virus, far worse than the flu, do it and have the Russians assassinate our soldiers. He’s committed treason and should be dragged out of office today and locked up so he doesn’t continue killing people, even though it’s not directly. He’s worse than a mob boss because he places the blame on everything and anyone else. Also, if you don’t bow and coo to him he silences you, just as he doing with Fauci and COVID-19. The dotard is going to through children into the fire and allow them to carry the virus home to their parents in the hopes it kills their parents and the kids even up with the brain damage they are now saying COVID-19 does so he can brainwash them into his thinking. The thing is, the dotard has been so seriously abused that he has become a psychopath who doesn’t give a damn about anyone. He hasn’t fixed a damn thing. He’s only destroying the U.S. and my big concern is that if (and hopefully when) Biden wins, the dotard will set the U.S. on fire, leaving it in shambles causing us generations to fix. Millenials and Gen Z won’t stand a chance. The dotard has already made us a third world country by letting this virus get out of control and removing as many federal COVID testing sites as he could making it even hard for people get tested and overwhelming hospitals. Anyone who support him, especially at this point is really sick and/or stupid.
Sree has retreated to the argument that everything has always been corrupt, so it doesn’t matter that the t rump’s corruption is 100 times worse. And this false equivalency justifies any mistakes that the t rump has made and continues to make.
All the while, we, the USA, must endure this administrations’ continuing disassembling of our country, until the t rump leaves power.
It matters to many of us that he is destroying the U.S. and I think/hope the next election shows that- unless Russia puts the dotard back in again.
So, you either step away from a rigged card game or shut up and play. You won’t. -- SreeYou're right. I sorted that out before I was 18. Living off the grid had an appeal to it, but I realized I couldn't do it if there wasn't a grid to live away from. With a few exceptions, like remote Alaska or something, there is no way to "step away". Luckily, I actually like people.
The part about Trump, totally messed up man. Are you going to read Mary’s book?
Are you going to read Mary’s book?No. I know what's like: squabbles in families with money. Trivial gossip too petty for comment.
You are not stupid. How did you get so messed up like Bill Ayers?
I think that Sree is an AI that has a programmed directive to advance its skill at trolling in social media. It is almost good enough to defeat the Turin test, but is just too obvious in it’s naiveite at times.
It has been operating for a while, now, and has not advanced significantly. I suspect that it is not the fault of the algorithms. But rather, the irrationality of the directive to improve an emotionally motivated behavior.
Hence the program, I think, is at risk of a form of AI insanity. (Note the odd blurting out of the name “Bill Ayers”.)
I think that Sree is an AII just referred to a recent book by the first name of the author. That would be dang advanced.
“Black Beans Matter”
(The t rump administration has its priorities.)
Goya is an American Dream for latinos, a hardworking indigenous minority that deserves more prominence in the USA.
Goya is an American Dream for latinos, a hardworking indigenous minority that deserves more prominence in the USA.As much as I'd just like you to go away Sree, I still don't want you to embarrass yourself. Latinos are mostly people of Spanish ancestry who are living in the Americas. They are often of mixed ancestry but not defined by that. The term refers to the people who live in the countries that the Spanish conquered and formed after Columbus. Or have recently emigrated from those countries.