Mr. Quinn discovered a thorny truth about the mayhem that unfolded in the wake of the police killing of George Floyd, an unarmed Black man in Minneapolis. It wasn’t mayhem at all.
While talking heads on television routinely described it as a spontaneous eruption of anger at racial injustice, it was strategically planned, facilitated and advertised on social media by anarchists who believed that their actions advanced the cause of racial justice. In some cities, they were a fringe element, quickly expelled by peaceful organizers. But in Washington, Portland and Seattle they have attracted a “cultlike energy,” Mr. Quinn told me.
Don’t take just Mr. Quinn’s word for it. Take the word of the anarchists themselves, who lay out the strategy in Crimethinc, an anarchist publication: Black-clad figures break windows, set fires, vandalize police cars, then melt back into the crowd of peaceful protesters. When the police respond by brutalizing innocent demonstrators with tear gas, rubber bullets and rough arrests, the public’s disdain for law enforcement grows. It’s Asymmetric Warfare 10
No evidence for this of course in breaking property
Anarchist not into race justice. It all about rules without rulers. No gods no masters. Would pay to do your research instead on watching right wing trash alone.
I'll read that later, but I'm sure there are anarchy groups. It doesn't change that protests are legit, that the police are militarized,or anything else
Kudos to you Guy, something more than pure opinion. Refreshing even. Okay so extremism sucks on both sides, and t rump is all about ratcheting up extremism and vandalizing our government and social values.
Considering what White Supremacist and their militias have been doing, why the hell be surprised that there’s a bit of backlash happening?
The title of this post is “NYT Discovers Antifa Is Real”. Then you link to a NYT opinion piece. Can you guess how many times Antifa is mentioned in that opinion piece? ZERO! And you posted a link to another page that Lauston apparently missed. Antifa is actually mentioned in that one twice. The first time is a note explaining a picture. It has this to say:
Weapon “loadouts”, coupled with literature from both the anarchist and communist literature and Antifa slogans are among the most frequent posts on r/socialistra.
That would be the Socialist Rifle Association Reddit, NOT the Antifa Reddit. And they only post Antifa "slogans". Anarchists and communists get "literature" while Antifa gets one-liners on the NOT ANTIFA site.
The second reference to Antifa is a reference citation at the bottom linking to an article about Facebook banning “anarchist and antifacist” pages. And how many times does THAT article mention Antifa? Again, ZERO.
So it would appear that your opinion is a complete misrepresentation of Farah Stockman’s opinion of Jeremy Quinn’s “discovery”. In fact, in a search of Jeremy Quinn’s name I found only 2 articles in the first page of results which specifically named Antifa. The first was at redstate.com, which describes itself as a “Conservative blog & conservative news source”. The second was at sgtreport.com. Mediabiasfactcheck.com has this to say about them:
In review, SGT Report is a conspiracy website that primarily reports on the impending meltdown of the economy and the end of the US Dollar as the world’s reserve currency. SGT Report also covers politics with a far-right bias that always favors the right and is typically conspiratorial. For example Donna Brazile and DC Mayor at Hospital With Seth Rich? The source for this story is the Official Hagmann Report, which appears to be an unknown conspiracy based YouTube Channel.
Besides foretelling impending economic doom, this site also promotes the New World Order conspiracy theory: THE VATICAN NWO AGENDA & PROPHECY EXPOSED.
Overall, SGT Report is a right-wing, strong conspiracy website that is low in factual reporting. (D. Van Zandt 8/31/2018)
In short I am not seeing any evidence whatsoever to support the conclusion you made in the title of this post, that “Antifa” is “real”. It is real, but as a political movement, not as an organized group of bogeymen.
Yes, but they are busy taking care of imaginary right wing terrorism. A round of applause for them.
IMAGINARY right wing terrorism? Have you forgotten about the MAGA Bomber? The MAGA Shooter? The OTHER MAGA Shooter? The recent CSIS report detailing this threat? The recent DHS draft report? The Boogaloo group? The Anti-Defamation League finding? The Pulse night club? The various synagogal shootings? The various mosque shootings? Charlotsville? The Portland train attack? The Charlston church shooting? The Las Vegas shooting? But Antifa is the real problem, right? Even though in 25 years antifacists have been linked to ZERO murders.
I can go all day listing off right-wing murders and violence. You’ve got, what? One crazy guy who shot up baseball practice? And WE’RE the ones imagining things? Hell, you imagined an entire Antifa link in this thread which isn’t even supported by the documents you presented to support it.
Thatoneguy clown claims that right wing terrorism is fake news
The FBI and state police have thwarted a plan by anti-government extremists to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer to set off a “civil war” and build a new society based on the US Bill of Rights.
In short I am not seeing any evidence whatsoever to support the conclusion you made in the title of this post, that “Antifa” is “real”. It is real, but as a political movement, not as an organized group of bogeymen.
Correct. Antifa is an umbrella term for any number of decentralized leftwing anarchist groups. Liberal media has maintained they aren't involved in the riots because they conveniently can't find evidence of a group called antifa taking part.
IMAGINARY right wing terrorism? Have you forgotten about the MAGA Bomber? The MAGA Shooter? The OTHER MAGA Shooter? The recent CSIS report detailing this threat? The recent DHS draft report? The Boogaloo group? The Anti-Defamation League finding? The Pulse night club? The various synagogal shootings? The various mosque shootings? Charlotsville? The Portland train attack? The Charlston church shooting? The Las Vegas shooting? But Antifa is the real problem, right? Even though in 25 years antifacists have been linked to ZERO murders.
I can go all day listing off right-wing murders and violence. You’ve got, what? One crazy guy who shot up baseball practice? And WE’RE the ones imagining things? Hell, you imagined an entire Antifa link in this thread which isn’t even supported by the documents you presented to support it.
Only a few of these can be called right wing terrorism.
Only a few of these can be called right wing terrorism. - oneguy
To my mind, none of them can be called right-wing terrorism. They were sporadic incidents carried out by individuals driven by personal motivations. They were like the Unabomber, Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Fort Hood Shooter.
Antifa is something else. It has been identified by the Department of Justice based on federal investigations. I don’t think it is an umbrella term for decentralized leftwing groups that actually caused mayhem. It is definitely centralized but not in the conventional sense of an organization like the CIA headquartered in Langley, Virginia.
Antifa is real; otherwise, there won’t be so many of its sympathizers attacking you in defense of its non-existence.
Yes, but they are busy taking care of imaginary right wing terrorism. A round of applause for them. - oneguy
The criminal charges associated with the Whitmer kidnap plot look ridiculous. Life sentences for conspiracy to do what? If the plotters planned to overthrow the Michigan State Government, then it's not a federal crime of treason. Why is the FBI involved? The only felony is conspiring to kidnap.
I have a feeling that all this is an FBI plot that even Barr was not aware of. This media story will go away when no one is found guilty of doing anything. At any rate, these militia types will be protected by the Second Amendment that allows the overthrow of state governments that violate civil rights.
Correct. Antifa is an umbrella term for any number of decentralized leftwing anarchist groups. Liberal media has maintained they aren’t involved in the riots because they conveniently can’t find evidence of a group called antifa taking part.
"Antifa" means something and you don't get to redefine it because it's conveniently linked to black people so it allows you to link anarchism, which is a different thing, with liberal ideologies, which is ALSO a different thing, with....thugs...which TOTALLY doesn't mean black people!
Only a few of these can be called right wing terrorism.
Really? Which ones did I get wrong?
To my mind, none of them can be called right-wing terrorism. They were sporadic incidents carried out by individuals driven by personal motivations. They were like the Unabomber, Charles Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Fort Hood Shooter.
Of course not because then you'd have to admit some fault with some aspect of "your side". And that's a very poor deflection. The "personal motivations" they are driven by are right-wing and far right-wing ideologies. The guy who shot up the baseball practice, that was absolutely left-wing domestic terrorism. And a guy with Trump stickers all over his van sending bombs to democrats, that is absolutely right-wing terrorism. It is the very definition of right-wing terrorism. And I mean it's the ACTUAL definition. Look it up.
But then when it comes to LIBERAL violence, THEN the go the OTHER WAY with it. Instead of saying the definition goes too far, NOW we say the definition doesn’t go too far enough! I linked findings from the Anti Defamation Leage AND a Department of Homeland Security report which say there IS a rise in right-wing terrorism and that means nothing. BUT when Trump’s lap dogs at the DoJ say that Antifa is really, really real, the same DoJ that is currently fighting to drop charges against a man who confessed TWICE to lying to the FBI in the course of an investigation because he’s a Trump friend, THEN we take the word of the officials, so long as they agree with your belief system. And then you end with a standard, “Well, if you don’t agree with me that’s just proof you’re part of the conspiracy!” I am so sick of that ignorance I’m not even going to be nice and pretend it isn’t ignorance any. Yes, I’m a HUGE Antifa supporter, obviously, because all this time I’ve been saying it doesn’t exist, which is EXACTLY what an Antifa supporter would want you to believe! Simply moronic. The logic of a second grader, delivered by the “idiot” in many a comedic role to make fun of just how stupid it is. I’m just not even going to pretend to be nice about it any more. If you say something worthy of a line from Leslie Nielsen in a movie where he’s playing an idiot then expect it to be viewed the same way his character was expected to be viewed. I’ve lost my patience for willfully ignorant people.
So I have a question for you two. Do you legitimately not see the two-faced double standard crap you guys spout or do you just not care? You may not allow yourselves to be “consciously” aware that you cannot except any reality which contradicts your tribal belief system, but I have to assume that you’ve got to realize it very close to the surface of your subconscious when you pull a Nielsen. I mean, when you reject a DHS report because it says your wrong and then pretend Barr is completely impartial because he agrees with you, you can’t really, actually believe that you have any integrity whatsoever. I mean, when you look back and see that you have never conceded that you might have been wrong when it comes to politics, the complete lack of any moral fiber and the utter disdain for reality has to be obvious to you, right?