There are a whole bunch of problems with it, not just that it leaves out everyone else but “blacks”.
Do you feel that way about the NAACP? Have you been stopped for DWB? Have you been shot just because of the colour of your skin? Have you been discriminated against because of the colour of your skin? Now the kicker, which shows it does not leave out white people- Has your family been discriminated against or denied services because they were even on drop Black?
You ask how the last question doesn’t leave out white people? I’m white, my sons are 1/2 Black and we have been discriminated against and denied services, so by default, the slogan does include me, because by society’s view, my family is Black and they ignore that they are part white. President Obama could have been my brother, even though I am white. Just think about that one for a bit, if you can’t figure out genetics. It does include others, just as the women’s equal rights movement includes minorities. You cannot have one without the others. Thing is, as a white male (if you are male) you are a majority and none of these things affect you as much if at all. White women are only one rung below the white male and all others are below them. Now, we have to give those below us on that ladder help up in order to be more equal, even with the law. You might not have family members are who are part Black or Black, but being white, especially a white male, you have privilege others do not and it includes you because you can support your brother in receiving the same rights you have.
The police force should reflect the precinct/city in which it operates.
Every time police are called in, there has to be one white cop and one black cop (or one black and one latino, etc. I.e. equal representation according to the community they’re in) and they have to coordinate any action they take - no cowboys so to speak - the white cop can’t open fire if the black cop doesn’t agree, and visa versa.
Every jury has to reflect the population they’re apart of.
This just seems to make sense but maybe I’m missing something. And then to make this happen, not only don’t defund the police, but increase funding to achieve these types of equal representation.
The two key issues seem to be violence and justice. Perhaps a crowd of black protesters holding signs that say “Peace And Justice”? However given the backlash, it seems there are a lot of black lives focused on anything but peace and justice, and they’re not helping anyone, including themselves.
"No justice, no peace" transforms Black Lives Matter into Burn Loot Murder.
Of course BLM is racist and of course it is a threat. It was meant to be both. You’re wrong about it not helping anyone, it helps Trump. Even sleepy Joe has had to adopt Trump’s law and order stance.
Of course BLM is racist and of course it is a threat. -- BLM
I got in a facebook thread about a guy who beat someone up in Portland. It was used as evidence that BLM Is racist and violent. The evidence, the guy was wearing a BLM T-shirt. I assume your evidence is similar. There are violent people everywhere, justifying their actions based on some form of suppression or another. They come in all shapes, sizes and colors. You just pick out certain ones and claim a connection. It's called being prejudice.
Or, as Gregory Bateson said “Most of the problems in the world come from the difference between the way we think and the way the world works.”
Again with the confusion using key talking point words. Every experience we have prejudices us for every subsequent experience; its called learning. I accept that what I see has happened.
You just pick out certain ones and claim a connection.
"No justice, no peace" doesn't sound friendly to me. The protesters know that they enable the violent people by staying in the streets after dark. The simple truth is that, far from being taken advantage of by the violent people, the protesters give them cover on purpose in the crowd and thus they are, in fact, accessories to the crimes.
No, I don’t pick out certain ones; I recognize the guilt of every person in the crowd.
No, I don’t pick out certain ones; I recognize the guilt of every person in the crowd.
Only in the crowd? What about the sympathizers; the instigators in the media, and Congress; and, last but not least, the Devil fomenting this Depravity?
"Every experience we have prejudices us for every subsequent experience; its called learning. I accept that what I see has happened."
You didn't see a cop kneel on a restrained man's neck, until he died? There is video. You can still see it. Maybe it will help clue you in to the ACTUAL PROBLEM.
the protesters give them cover on purpose in the crowd and thus they are, in fact, accessories to the crimes.
BS!!!. There have been all types of protestors in the demonstrations we have seen this past season. THE VAST MAJORITY of whom want nothing to do with crime and violent acting out.
But if you truly care about the problem of violence associated with demonstrations, then SOLVE the ACTUAL PROBLEM.
If there were no cops STILL CONTINUING unnecessary killings of citizens, those demonstrations would not have occurred.
FIX THAT PROBLEM and the violence you falsely blame on peaceful protestors, will go away.
But you would rather maintain the status quo where the system protects police brutality, because the typical targets of that brutality are fellow citizens that you don’t give a crap about.
“No justice, no peace” doesn’t sound friendly to me. -- Bob
Would you prefer these slogans?: – Timb
I would prefer a meaningful slogan about justice, one that can be explained if you take the time to listen, as opposed to memes that are taken down because the promote violence and a civil war, and you can’t tell if those using them are serious or not.
You didn’t see a cop kneel on a restrained man’s neck, until he died? There is video. You can still see it. Maybe it will help clue you in to the ACTUAL PROBLEM.
What you don't see in the video are:
New documents now show that George Floyd had a “heavy heart” and “at least one artery was approximately 75% blocked.”
Handwritten notes of a law enforcement interview with Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, said Floyd had 11 ng/mL of fentanyl in his system.
“If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD. Deaths have been certified with levels of 3,” Baker told investigators. In another new document, Baker said, “That is a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.”
Floyd was restrained by cops who did it by the book to deal with excited delirium when suspects under the influence of the drug show superhuman strength.
I would prefer a meaningful slogan about justice, one that can be explained if you take the time to listen, as opposed to memes that are taken down because the promote violence and a civil war, and you can’t tell if those using them are serious or not.
For you, I will suggest an alternative slogan that is less subject to being seen as a threat than "No Justice, no Peace":
"Peace without Justice is Successful Repression"
That is no threat. It is information.
Now, the question is, are we going to placidly accept the Repression of some citizens in order to have Peace? No?
Then can we peacefully adjust our system in order to have Justice? I say that we cannot if the tRump remains in power. Do you disagree?
Floyd was restrained by cops who did it by the book to deal with excited delirium..
Are you saying there is a book that tells cops to kneel on someone's airway for over 8 minutes if they are already physiologically compromised? (You argue that he had superhuman strength when he was at the same time on the verge of imminent death even if not restrained. That is what I call BS.) Btw, "excited delirium" appears to me to be just a label that cops are using to justify brutal restraints. Floyd was well restrained without the added murderous knee on the neck for over 8 min.
If there is such a book that tells cops to kneel on people’s kneck when they think their victim/suspect are too strong to be dealt with easily, then it is a book that promotes the continuation of murderous systemic racism.
Do you enjoy being such a supporter of the RepugLIARS cult of death that helps maintain systemic racial bias and injustice?
The RepugLIARS’ cult of death will twist logic into knots in order to justify the unjustifiable, and in order to maintain the status quo racial bias in our system of criminal “justice”.
A knee on the neck for 8 min, for a man who was already firmly restrained??? That is by the book???
Please imagine me hurling a vast hail of insulting epithets at you, like you have never heard before. As should be the natural case for promoters of death and brutality, like you.
I would love to deliver them in actuality, but such is frowned on in these forums.
Are you saying there is a book that tells cops to kneel on someone’s airway for over 8 minutes if they are already physiologically compromised? -- tb
Not sure what the policy used to be, but if Chauvin was following it, it was a bad policy. Fortunately policies can be changed. That's what the peaceful protesting is about. It's what BLM has been saying for as long as they have been around. It's the right thing to do.
If there is such a book that tells cops to kneel on people’s kneck when they think their victim/suspect are too strong to be dealt with easily, then it is a book that promotes the continuation of murderous systemic racism.
Apparently, the knee-on-the-neck tactic was taught by the Israeli police who used it to deal with Palestinian terrorist rioters. Our local police paid them for the training to handle Americans who won't obey the law.
@sree it is peace. The force comes from the dotard ordering his thugs to attack peaceful protesters, but you don’t want to believe it. You seem to forget the day the dotard did a photo op in front of an Episcopal Church, in which he had his thugs gas peaceful protesters and dragged the priest and her companions out of the church. The dotard was the one calling for violence, by having his thugs do it, not the protesters.
