There is no crime in American which is subject to summary punishment at the discretion of law enforcement. There is no crime in America which is punishable by being shot on the street (well, not for “Four more years!” anyway). This man’s past in no way justifies the officer’s actions.
Police absolutely have the right to kill someone who is a potential threat to other's lives. This guy might have been armed.
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is the law of the land. How threatening can a man’s back be? And why is the normal police procedure when they feel that they must fire always “Empty the clip”? I’ve never been shot, shot anyone or seen anyone get shot, but I would imagine that it very often only takes ONE bullet to make someone a whole lot less threatening. But no number of bullets made him less black, so I have to assume that being black was the most threatening thing about him.
Cops carry 9mm handguns, which don't have much stopping power. Besides, 7 rounds fired by 4 cops is not much.
@thatoneguy Even my husband said there are other means than shooting a man in the back seven times. They could have used a taser or some other “non-lethal” weapon. They did not have to shoot him and I still stand that they should be locked up and not on administrative leave. Locked up and headed to prison for what they did. They were nothing but cowards shooting him the back like they did.
@thatoneguy What evidence do you see that the man was armed? Or even posing a threat? It appears that all he was doing was walking to his car and opening the door.
Possibly armed suspect trying to get into a car — his back was facing the police so it makes sense to shoot him there. -- oneguy
I'm not a police, so, I don't really know, but I challenge anyone in the world to find the manual that says, "if a guy is possibly armed and his back is to you, go ahead and shoot him".
Police absolutely have the right to kill someone who is a potential threat to other’s lives. This guy might have been armed.
Define "potential threat". He might have known kung fu. He might have had a bomb sewn into his chest that he could detonate by blinking three times. He might have been an alien infiltrator with a mind-controlled doomsday device aimed at our planet. Any given child "might" be armed. What you have essentially said here is that police have the right to kill anyone at any time simply because it is their "belief" that the person "might be" dangerous.
Here is what it looks like when cops get to shoot anyone they please because they “might be armed”.
This man was just awarded a paltry $285,000 for being shot 4 times for reaching for the license the officer had just asked him to present. But he might have had mad ninja skills enabling him to throw that license with such force and skill to sever the cop’s head. You don’t know! Justified shooting!
Yeah, no White domestic violence suspects have ever been killed by police.
You say that sarcastically. But I truly do not recall ever seeing a video of an unarmed white domestic violence suspect being shot in the back 7 times, from point blank range.
Cops carry 9mm handguns, which don’t have much stopping power. Besides, 7 rounds fired by 4 cops is not much.
Bullshit. It's not a 22 caliber. I think I could stop someone with 3 shots from my 9mm. (Less than that if I were 18 inches away.) How the hell, with a 9mm, do you shoot someone 7 times from 18 inches away, WITHOUT, killing them??? AND ALL THE SHOTS WERE FIRED BY ONEFREAKED OUT COP, not four reasonable cops. What that cop did was INSANE.
Possibly armed suspect trying to get into a car — his back was facing the police so it makes sense to shoot him there.
Jacob had told the cops, who had asked him if he had a weapon, that he had a knife in the car. He probably didn't want them rifling thru his car, with his sons in there, so I think that he was going to get the knife that he apparently keeps in his car, to give to the cops, never imagining that he would be shot 7 times in the back.
Police absolutely have the right to kill someone who is a potential threat to other’s lives. This guy might have been armed.
It's not likely, that your momma is armed and a potential threat to other's lives, but just in case she might be, perhaps she should be shot in the back at close range, 7 times with a 9mm.
Jacob had told the cops, who had asked him if he had a weapon, that he had a knife in the car. He probably didn’t want them rifling thru his car, with his sons in there, so I think that he was going to get the knife that he apparently keeps in his car, to give to the cops, never imagining that he would be shot 7 times in the back.
Too bad he didn’t want cops searching his car.
It’s not likely, that your momma is armed and a potential threat to other’s lives, but just in case she might be, perhaps she should be shot in the back at close range, 7 times with a 9mm.
She would be taking a big risk by potentially reaching into a car for a weapon. Always keep your hands in plain view.
Bullshit. It’s not a 22 caliber. I think I could stop someone with 3 shots from my 9mm. (Less than that if I were 18 inches away.) How the hell, with a 9mm, do you shoot someone 7 times from 18 inches away, WITHOUT, killing them??? AND ALL THE SHOTS WERE FIRED BY ONE FREAKED OUT COP, not four reasonable cops. What that cop did was INSANE.
He survived, didn’t he?
At any rate, in potentially life or death situations people never make calculated, rational decisions like how many times should I shoot this fu***r until he’s not a threat anymore? Nor is there any way to train someone to do that unless they spend a hell of a lot of time killing.
Better to err on the side of caution and shoot them too much rather than not enough.
Define “potential threat”. He might have known kung fu. He might have had a bomb sewn into his chest that he could detonate by blinking three times. He might have been an alien infiltrator with a mind-controlled doomsday device aimed at our planet. Any given child “might” be armed.
The story is that he told police he had a knife in his car and leaned in to get it.
What you have essentially said here is that police have the right to kill anyone at any time simply because it is their “belief” that the person “might be” dangerous.
That is correct. Police are given authority to make the decision to use deadly force if they think it’s necessary. They aren’t alway good at it of course, but that’s how it works.
He had 3 black sons in the car. Cops tend to kill black males, if you haven't noticed. Of course he didn't want the cops near his sons.
At any rate, in potentially life or death situations people never make calculated, rational decisions like how many times should I shoot this fu***r until he’s not a threat anymore? Nor is there any way to train someone to do that unless they spend a hell of a lot of time killing.
Better to err on the side of caution and shoot them too much rather than not enough.
The cop was INSANE if he was thinking that Jacob was going to grab his knife from the car and throw it and kill him like a fictional movie assassin.
The cop was NOT in danger. If the cop felt threatened, he was delusional. But you are pro-death, so you make up excuses for cops to keep murdering blacks unnecessarily.
How about the cops that allowed the 17 yr old t rumpian with an AR 15 to stroll right by them while people yelled that he had just shot other people? Why did they not consider him to be a threat? He did not purportedly have just a knife in his car, he was packing a loaded AR-15, strapped around his neck, that he had just used to shoot some people.
But cops let him walk away and arrested him at his home the next day.
They didn’t shoot that “fu***r”, as you say, not even once.
What was different?
Oh yeah, one of the guys, the one who might have had a knife in his car, was black.
Police are given authority to make the decision to use deadly force if they think it’s necessary. They aren’t alway good at it of course, but that’s how it works.
And that’s what needs to change. They didn’t need deadly force in this case and actually, I don’t think it’s ever warranted, unless they are actually being shot at. No one was shooting at them in this case.
For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Romans 13:4
So this insanely trigger happy cop appears to think that he is a servant of God who is an agent of wrath who will punish wrongdoers.
Language y’all. I feel the tension rising on this thread. Oneguy has established that his facts often don’t comport with his conclusions. Using scatological language is not going to make him any better at that.
Scatological language? Do you mean we can’t call bullshit, bullshit? Or do you mean when oneguy uses the partially redacted word “fu***r”, that we cannot quote it back to him in his context?
Seriously, I don’t see what you are referring to, unless it is the above, which do not seem like infractions, at all, to me.
And my purpose in responding to oneguy is rarely to change his lack of intellectual integrity, it is generally to point out to others that his statements are particularly egregious in terms of undermining truth.
Jacob Blake, the victim of the cop shooting, has a body shredded by 7 bullets, and a shattered spine, which will probably leave him paralyzed from the waist down, should he survive.
AND YET, he is being handcuffed to his hospital bed. Meanwhile, the crazed shooter cop, who almost killed him, Rusten Shesky, is not handcuffed to anything.
Hmm, if only there was one word to concisely respond to something so egregiously inappropriate as that.
Today we have the “Get Your Knee Off Our Necks Commitment March on Washington”.
(The participants are all wearing masks, unlike the t rump’s campaign event at the White House last night, where 1500 closely packed t rumpers sat shoulder to shoulder for a couple of hours, cheering out COVID-19, if any of them has it, and quite possibly infecting others, because none of them were wearing masks.)
I just saw Yolanda Renee King, the activist kid granddaughter of MLK, Jr, read a great and rousing speech in her exuberant inimitable style, at the event. She exclaims that theirs will be the generation that ends systemic racism, and other injustices. Today is the 57th anniversary of when MLK, Jr delivered the “I have a dream speech.”
The story is that he told police he had a knife in his car and leaned in to get it.
So put yourself in that situation. You're following a guy who says he has a knife in his car. You have a gun pointed at him. Which one of you is in control of the situation? "Control" doesn't mean that he's doing everything you want. "Control" means that it is YOU who determines how far away the two of you are and it is YOU who is the threat. Stay 10 feet back. If he turns around with a knife then shoot him in the face.
As for that “story”, how did they know that he “leaned in to get it”? Did he announce, “I am now leaning into my car to get the knife within the car that I might stab you with it. And I’m a lot faster than you might think, so if you don’t shoot me in the back 7 times before I get my hands on the knife you’ll get stabbed”? Did the cop suspect he could slow time? Did the cop suspect he was the Flash and could close the distance between them instantly? Was there any danger that the man could get the knife, turn around and lunge toward the office with it, killing him with a knife before the officer could defend himself? That threat with his gun? There is LITERALLY a meme about the ignorance of bringing a knife to a gun fight and how it means that you will lose every time and it is LITERALLY one of the most common and best recognized memes in the country and has been for decades.
That is correct. Police are given authority to make the decision to use deadly force if they think it’s necessary. They aren’t always good at it of course, but that’s how it works.
Okay, I see what you're saying now. No, we're talking about a cop in the US a few days ago, not the Nazi SS during Hitler. That's why we weren't understanding each other. I didn't understand that you were talking about an authoritarian police force with impunity to execute people without trial.
Now, even the strongly conservative, Jerry Jones, of America’s Football team, sees the handwriting on the wall, and says his team will be involved in supporting social justice.
