Black lives don''t appear to matter

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I have not seen a video of the alleged passing of an alleged counterfeit $20 Bill. So I remain skeptical about that. I did see Floyd murdered by a cop. And it was reported that Floyd physically resisted arrest, as illogic contends, but it is not shown that he made any threatening moves with the men who were manhandling him. There was nothing in the original police report that suggested anything other than Floyd died of natural cause. Now this crime by cops is one of the most insidious, the false report given, always, to cover up their screw-ups. And the entire system tends to support the cover up of crimes by cops during the performance of their duty.

Those charged with law enforcement are given the authority to apply whatever force, including deadly force, to do their job and the discretion to apply the level of force they deem appropriate. asserted by illogic
You mean like the cop that forcefully shoved a slender, frail, 75 year old man who came up to them to say something? The old guy was almost killed by his resulting fall. The initial cop report just said that the old man tripped and fell. But then the video came out. Performing one's duty as a cop does not make them "Olley olley oxenfree" for committing crimes while doing so. If it did, why do they lie and try to cover it up, EVERY TIME? (Until an outside video shows what they really did.)

It is finally dawning on most Americans, that cops are breaking the law, themselves, when supposedly supporting the laws, much more than we want to believe. And that they always try to cover it up when they do. The lies on reports happen and that by itself, is a devastating crime against the society they are supposed to be serving.

Here is a link to see the old man getting almost killed: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-shows-elderly-man-hitting-his-head-on-the-ground-after-being-shoved-by-police-in-buffalo/

So the riot geared cops, outnumbering the frail old peaceful man by hundreds. The cops all in riot gear and the ones the old guy approached, decided not to listen to whatever he was saying, and instead one forcibly shoved the 75 year old backwards. The cop was being DOMINATING (the way that the T rump loves). And the criminal cop would have gotten away with his gratuitous assault, were it not that it was being videoed.

Illogic, after all that has happened, you STILL don’t get it. The system supports and protects cops who do crimes during the performance of their duties. And people like you are an extended part of that system with your ignorance of crimes and coverups by cops.

Watch the video of the frail 75 year old, lying flat and motionless with blood profusely coming out of his ear. Oh, and the frail old dude… is white. But apparently he was peacefully protesting to support the truth that Black Lives Matter. He was peacefully protesting cops unnecessarily killing people and was thusly almost killed by a cop himself. The old man was not expecting to be assaulted. He apparently trusted the cops not to potentially kill him. That turned out to be a big mistake.

 

 

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Damn that is harsh, but the old man was a fool. I can’t imagine what he thought he was going to accomplish.

Related to this incident, the two cops who pushed the old man were suspended and the rest of that police response team resigned in protest. https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/buffalo-police-emergency-response-team-members-resign-from-special-position/71-37d425ad-13ae-4771-bba1-e59da88fb93a

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Yes it was harsh for Floyd and if he had been white and done the same crime, the ending would have been different and that is the whole point of the what is happening currently and has been with protests and alike. People are angry about the inequality and oppression.

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...the old man was a fool. I can’t imagine what he thought he was going to accomplish.
The old man was standing up for justice for all. You should look into that honorable cause. Now the old man probably cannot say what he was doing at the moment he approached the man in riot gear who physically attacked him. Because he probably sustained more than enough brain damage to have wiped out any memory of that immediate occurrence.

Throngs of people in all of our States and in European countries, in Australia, in S. Korea, and Japan have been marching and demonstrating and standing up to “authorities”. What do they hope to accomplish? Justice for all.

It is a hope that we can do better. The old dude was not a fool. The guy who shoved him is a fool and a cop who committed an assault. The 57 fellow officers who resigned in protest for him are accomplices in the system that protects the so-called “bad apples”. The abuser is not an apple. Apples don’t shove frail old men to their possible death. His 57 accomplices are not apples either - good or bad. They are, however, perhaps the biggest part of the problem.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-violent-protest-incidents-a-theme-emerges-videos-contradict-police-accounts/ar-BB157DAW?ocid=spartanntp

There are 2 videos of the old guy. One that I had not seen is taken from across the street. If you have the sound turned up, you can hear a loud “Pop” as you can simultaneously see his head whipsaw into the sidewalk concrete and crack like a ripe cantaloupe.

Just another day in the T rump’s Great America. Grotesque but interesting. We have the curse of those who live in interesting times.

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In that 2nd video, you also get a good view of the paint gun rifles, modified for pepper balls. The cops wield them like military rifles. The cops line up like military and are ordered to march forward. The old guy approaches them at that moment.

Lesson to be learned: Don’t interrupt cops who are pretending to be soldiers.

Corollary: When facing military who are pretending to be cops, get the hell out of there, and go underground ASAP.

When a government uses its own military to breach the constitutional protections of its citizens, options have become limited, and none particularly good. One being a guerilla tactic insurgency against the most formidable military in history. A grisly and forlorn prospect at best. And one very likely to end in complete domination in an utterly destroyed country, like today’s Syria where the dictator there was helped out, not so long ago by the T rump abandoning our allies, the Kurds.

Using the military to achieve the T rump’s political ends, will not end well. It will certainly not end in “law and order” anytime soon.

NOTE: I am not advocating the violent overthrow of our government. I suggest that the T rump IS advocating the violent overthrow, by him, of our Constitutional form of government, with the assistance of our Military.

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The dotard has done that in more ways than one- he’s denied the 1st Amendment to everyone except himself and then when he had the military clear out the Episcopal Church (“Presidents’ Church”) he overthrew the 3rd Amendment because that is the property of the Episcopal Diocese, not the government’s. Thus why he has the Episcopal Church p*ssed off with him.

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The reason Floyd gained the attention of the police was that a store clerk reported him as passing a fake $20 bill. What reason can you dream up for the clerk to report that if it were not true? What reason can you dream up for the police arresting Floyd if they had not been called to a crime scene?

Floyd did resist arrest. The police tried to get him into the car in order to transport him to jail. He resisted police efforts to put him in the car. Somehow he wound up on the ground and not inside the police car. What reason can you dream up for him not being inside the car unless he was not compliant?

Get real. His death was the direct result of his own criminal action and resisting legal authority.

 

The “frail” old man was a long time activist. Most likely an old hippy. He was warned to back up as the police tried to clear the area. Instead he approached an officer and attempted to put something in the officer’s hand. He was obviously attempting to thwart or at least slow down the police effort to clear the area.

This old guy knew exactly what he was doing - not his first rodeo. His own deliberate actions caused his injuries. You can be sure he glories in the fact that someone has a video of his performance and he was able to get two officers suspended. If his anti-police actions don’t qualify as anarchy what would?

 

You think my comments are racist? Bull feathers.

Fill in the blanks: ________ lives matter. National Association for the Advancement of ______ People. The very act of using the words you know fit those blanks in those titles is racist. Those titles are racist. Would you have them be non-racist? How about putting “all” in the blanks. Even better, why have a word in the blank at all?

The deliberate act of choosing one ethnicity and not another in those titles is divisive and racist.

 

Lets get really real. Why did every one of the people the protesters name as “victims” of the police come to the attention of the police in the first place? Every one either had committed or had attempted to commit a crime. These crimes and attempted crimes were not accidental; they were deliberate actions and they had consequences.

Where are the protests for the injuries and deaths of police officers? Is it really OK to injure or kill a cop because some other cop injured or killed a criminal? You can’t expect to escalate anti-authority actions without an escalation of the response by the authorities. The Insurrection Act is there to insure the nation continues, with or without those who would destroy it.

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@ibelieveinlogic Again you miss the whole point. If a white person allegedly passed a $20 bill the reaction to that person would be different. They would not have gotten a knee to the neck. They would have been read their rights without violence that kills and given their rights.

Your whole post is so full of ignorance and made up crap that it’s really not worth going through all of this, but the elderly man did not do anything to deserve police brutality and the police officer who assaulted him should have criminal charges. The officer should not get away with what he did. The same goes for the officers who killed George Floyd too- they should also be charged with a crime.

You also have no understanding of NAACP or BLM. What I want to know is, why do you think being “white” is so great? Personally, I don’t know why or how “white” is so great and I am considered “white”, even though I refuse to label myself any colour. My sons are biracial and of course that makes my grandson biracial. I don’t get the idea of “privilege” though I know it exists for I’ve seen it, but not with me personally. I’ve been called a “N**** lover”, had a store manager say to me, “Don’t let him touch that” concerning my darker son when he was little, while it was OK for my lighter son to get a fountain drink. What was obviously happening there was that my lighter son was OK to get a fountain drink, but not my darker son. That’s not right. I have even lost a job because I was in a relationship with their father, who is, of course, Black (not my current husband). Then again, I’ve also lost a job because I became pregnant, but I still think being a woman is great. My sons have been pushed back and forth by children who were taught racism, being told “You’re not Black enough” or “You’re not White enough”. Then stupid white people refusing to acknowledge I am my sons’ mother by trying to say they are Black, ignoring that I’m not. Thus why I hate the question of “race” and refuse to answer it, because I am human. That is my race- human. There is no other race and this skin colour thing is really ignorant of human beings.

So you want the nation to continue with racism, ageism, sexism? You want that so much that you don’t care if people are killed exercising their rights under the Constitution and rights as human beings? You want to keep your privilege status, even if it means killing a few innocent people exercising their rights or people who haven’t had their Constitutional rights given to them? You want your status of “privilege” so badly you are willing to have others degraded and treated inhumanely, as though they are not human beings? IMHO, that is so hateful of others, as well as greedy and that is very reason for such groups of the NAACP, Rainbow Coalition, Black Lives Matter, ALCU, AARP, National Organization of Women, and other Human Rights Organizations. It’s also why people of colour and women of ALL colours have protested long before the Civil Rights Movement and ERA.

I’m with my older son, the lighter complected one, when he said he can’t wait for a day when everyone looks like him, because then there might not be all this racist crap. I get why he says that and I don’t blame him. Sadly, it won’t happen or at least not in our lifetime. Genetics don’t actually work that way, but if it did, this crap over skin colour wouldn’t be the nightmare it is. It would be non-existent. However, we’d have more stupid crap to dehumanize people with.

Reality of the matter shows that you are either ignorant of what happens to people of colour and those who love them, needing educating or you are so greedy that you don’t what your status of “privilege” (whatever that is) taken from you. IMHO male WASPs are the worst with their ignorant ideology of supremacy and say those of colour are bad people, criminals, and deserve to be beaten to death or hung for crimes that if they, as “white” people would not be treated in that manner. Your statements also say you don’t care how others are treated as long as you get all the rights entitled to you by the Constitution.

Sadly, the Constitution was written during a time, that even though Mrs. Adams wrote her husband to “Remember the Ladies”, the men decided only “White” males with money, deserved rights and ignored not only indentured servants and slaves, but women too and these men have enjoyed their dominance so much that they wish to continue oppressing other not like them. This oppression has been happening for over 250 years. It’s has happened long before the Constitution was written and those who have been brainwashed with White Supremacy ideology, knowingly or unknowingly, fight to the death, killing others along the way, to keep their status of “privilege”. It is also in the greed of Capitalism too- the very basis of it of Capitalism, thus why we have greedy corporations like Hellmart and Amazon. They were all created on the backs of the poor, people of colour, and women, forcing these groups to put money in their pockets while they live on modern day slave wages.

Destroy all of that? Gladly. I would gladly destroy all of that in which to create a society that is more equitable, no matter one’s skin colour or gender.

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There are 2 videos of the old guy. One that I had not seen is taken from across the street. If you have the sound turned up, you can hear a loud “Pop” as you can simultaneously see his head whipsaw into the sidewalk concrete and crack like a ripe cantaloupe.
The ripe cantaloupe was asking for it. I watched and re-watched that video more than a half-dozen times and still couldn't believe that a mild shove to get him to back off could send that cantaloupe tumbling to the ground replete with blood oozing out. Thank God, the cantaloupe was white; otherwise the media would have gotten the entire country up in flames just to destroy Donald Trump.
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Well said, Mriana. I am glad that you answered Illogic so well, so that I didn’t have to dirty myself addressing his ignorant assertions. Alas there is another ignorant assertion to confront.

The ripe cantaloupe was asking for it.
The frail 75 yr old man was asking for 75 riot suppression garbed pretend soldiers (who were apparently ordered to march through and DOMINATE a handful of straggler protestors) to shove him so that he would bust his head open on the sidewalk???

I couldn’t tell from watching the video what the old guy might have been asking that cop, who almost killed him. I doubt that it was “Please bust my head open.”

At the same moment that the old guy approached the guy that almost killed him, the entire troop of pretend soldiers were ordered “Forward March!”

Unfortunate timing.

And if the old guy used to be a hippy, good for him. The hippies were way ahead of their time in recognizing the ills in our society, such as this one that still remains, today - the reality that our system of justice does not allow Black Lives to Matter as much as other lives.

I don’t think the cop that shoved the old man, intended to almost kill an old man. And the cop may well have been following an order to DOMINATE the few protest stragglers. But it was not lawful to shove an old man that way. If the old man had died, the cop would have been guilty of manslaughter. As the old guy looks like he will survive, the cop is, I suppose, only guilty of assault.

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@timb Thanks. It helps when one lives some of it, like my family and I have. I must say I can’t add much more to your addressing the ageism in Sree’s, statement, except…

“Ripe Cantaloupe”? So ageist! @Sree, have you ever heard of “respect your elders”? No one should ever assault the elderly, not even a cop. How horrid of you to be so heartless.

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How horrid of you to be so heartless.
I was referencing a term used by @timb, someone you love. And now I am the bad guy? How did that happen?
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@Sree as far as I can see you used the words originally.

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Thanks, Mriana, the sly Mr Sree took the word cantaloupe, that I used to describe (and I am paraphrasing) the impact/sound that the senior citizen’s head had when it whip-sawed in to the concrete pavement. So, technically, I mentioned the word “cantaloupe” 1st, as I recall.

But you make a good point about respect given when age is inevitably becoming more effortful and less rewarding. That is actually codified in to laws, in some places. Something like "If someone attacks someone over 65, AND they are more that 10 years younger than that old person they assault, then the Assault becomes a felony. Which is punishable by up to 7 yrs in prison. Something like that, if I recall correctly. But, yeah, “Respect Your Elders”!

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I wouldn’t treat my 75 year old mother like that, because that is abuse. It’s called elderly abuse and just like no one deserves a knee to the neck, no one deserves abuse- not humans or other animals, no matter the colour of their hair or skin. That said, this goes back to racism being taught- when was the last time you saw a cat, dog, chimp, or any other animal be racist on the basis of colour? Zebras don’t discriminate on the basis of strips and that silverback gorilla… yup! Better respect him or you’ll get your but kicked. Humans are the only animal who teaches racism and ageism or even has displays of it. Now, sexism is another story in the animal kingdom. Even so, with other animals, most disputes are over territory, perpetuating the species (mates with the female(s)), and defending young, basic survival stuff, but it is never about skin/fur colour or at least science has no evidence that it is ever over skin/fur colour. It just goes to show that humans come up with some ridiculous concepts- such as race, discriminating on skin colour, when there is only one race- the human race.

Walela (means Hummingbird in Cherokee) has a wonderful song about this called “Tell Them That They Lie”, which I think packs a lot of truth to it:

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Since I know it is unlikely those who should read it will read it, here is a summary of what I’ve been saying. I’m trying to find the specific citations.

What many don't realize is that the Supreme Court has ruled that in the absence of conscious, intentional bias -- tantamount to an admission or a racial slur -- you can't present allegations of race discrimination in the criminal-justice system. These rulings have created a nearly insurmountable hurdle, as law-enforcement officials know better than to admit racial bias out loud, and much of the discrimination that pervades this system is rooted in unconscious racial stereotypes, or "hunches" about certain types of people that come down to race. Because these biases operate unconsciously, the only proof of bias is in the outcomes: how people of different races are treated. The Supreme Court, however, has ruled that no matter how severe the racial disparities, and no matter how overwhelming or compelling the statistical evidence may be, you must have proof of conscious, intentional bias to present a credible case of discrimination. In this way, the system of mass incarceration is now immunized from judicial scrutiny for racial bias, much as slavery and Jim Crow laws were once protected from constitutional challenge.
https://prospect.org/special-report/new-jim-crow/
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I was referencing a term used by @timb, someone you love. And now I am the bad guy? How did that happen?
It happened because you are a troll. Do you think we've never seen behavior like this before? How stupid do you think we are? You take a word, frame it into your racist police brutality narrative, then say, "hey, he used the word".
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@lausten yes, that is a big part of what is being protested, along with the cops killing black people. Under that law (Jim Crow Laws) cops can kill and get away with it.

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The ripe cantaloupe was asking for it. I watched and re-watched that video more than a half-dozen times and still couldn’t believe that a mild shove to get him to back off could send that cantaloupe tumbling to the ground replete with blood oozing out. Thank God, the cantaloupe was white; otherwise the media would have gotten the entire country up in flames just to destroy Donald Trump.
It doesn’t take a lot to injure some people by knocking them down. Especially the old, they can get really messed up by simple falls.

The guy was a dumbass with no situational awareness, but it’s still a shame the police did that to him. I feel bad for his family.