The guy was a dumbass with no situational awareness, but it’s still a shame the police did that to him. I feel bad for his family.Yes, dumbass. The police may have shoved him back but did not do it with intent to hurt him in anyway. One doesn't step into the freeway and expect truckers to adjust accordingly. Seems to me, it's never the fault of the bad actor. I feel bad for the police. We pass judgment on the police from a safe space. I abhor violence in a public place and the first to run away from it whenever it erupts because it's when people become dangerous and ugly. The police wade into it. Theirs is a horribly unpleasant and unsafe job and they are as scared of getting hurt as me. When cops are in action mode, they are like fighter jets scrambling into the battle space with radars locked in on the bogies. Weapons are armed and no one expects Mother Teresa moving in.
When cops are in action mode, they are like fighter jets scrambling into the battle space with radars locked in on the bogies. -- SreeThis is exactly the problem. Sree is just a symptom. He's comfortable using the language of enemy combatants when the people are holding cardboard signs and carrying their children on their shoulders. We brought this on ourselves. My excuse is, in the 60s I was too young to understand, then I was busy just finding work and building equity, then I was isolated in white rural America and I saw people talking about civil rights so I thought it was being worked on. Those are lousy excuses. I don't get to use them anymore.
Yes, dumbass.
As much as I sometimes feel like calling individuals names myself, it is still a violation of the rules, @sree. Please read the rules again. Thank you.
This is exactly the problem. Sree is just a symptom. He’s comfortable using the language of enemy combatants when the people are holding cardboard signs and carrying their children on their shoulders.You see people holding cardboard signs and carrying children on their shoulders while I see protestors hurling explosives and scuffling with police. There are some 15 people, including cops, killed so far as an outcome of these "peaceful protests".
You and I are not seeing things. It’s just that we are not seeing the same thing. It wouldn’t be a wise thing to do if I were to dismiss your point of view in the face of unrest over the police. Who knows? Just because the police has never been brutal to me doesn’t mean they are not mean to you. So, I am now looking into it and reading up on police brutality by Khalil Muhammad, a professor of history, race, and public policy at Harvard Kennedy School and author of the book “The Condemnation of Blackness: Race, Crime, and the Making of Modern Urban America”.
Your note in blue noted for compliance.
@sree Thank you.
It’s just that we are not seeing the same thing. -- SreeI see the same footage that you do. I probably have a few more personal reports because I know people that live in the area of Minneapolis. The difference is, I don't deny what you see. The difference that I highlighted above is using language of combatants before you see anything. This is why police gear up for a fight, because they expect a fight. Then an man with a cell phone in his hand waves and points at their bat-utility belts, and now he's in critical condition. I see clearly how the one leads to the other.
When I have seen the vids of the cop that shoved the old man, and almost killed him, I don’t think he intended to seriously hurt the old guy. I think the cop, just accidentally committed a felony, punishable by up to 7 years in prison.
I didn’t notice any cops being like fighter jets scrambling into the battle space. I saw cops being pretend “toy” soldiers in full riot gear and paintball guns filled with pepper balls, being ordered to march in unison against a straggling group of a handful of peaceful protestors, including one 75 yr old man. What could go wrong?
The old man has faced and received the negative repercussions of his choice in approaching the police in that situation. Now it is time for the cop who almost killed him to face the negative repercussions of what he did to the old man.
So now the protesters want to defund the police. Eliminate law enforcement. Won’t that be fun! Looters, welcome to our town, take what you want, no problem. Those of you who want to burn buildings, have at it; feel free to shoot at the fire fighters.
Hell’s Angels and other biker gangs, come on in. There will be no one to stop you having fun with our wives and daughters. And you “good ole boys” get in your pickups with the lift kits and oversize off-road tires and Rebel flags flying and come on down. You are welcome to patrol our streets and keep your version of great America. Listen up KKK, you won’t need a permit to burn crosses anywhere.
The protesters have finally shown what they are really about, destroying the nation. Seems that if they can’t have the nation the way they want it, they would rather have no nation at all. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. If you can find another place on Earth where you will be better off, what are you waiting for? No one is begging you to not go. You should be thankful that there are so many of us here who are willing to tolerate you, and protect you, at least up to some point. The backlash has already started.
My sign protesting the defunding of the police will be “LIVES MATTER” , just that and not with any additional word indicating a racist bias about which lives matter and which lives don’t. Racism is not a one-way street, it goes many ways. Decent people have slogans too: no law and order, no talk; no peace, no discussions; justice for all, for ALL.
I know you just come here to blow off steam Bob, but I’m going to hope you read this anyway. No, no one is proposing that we just start firing police. They are proposing that we stop giving them military style weapons and sending them to training about how to kill. The police themselves are telling us that they are not social workers, not hostage negotiators, and prisons are not half-way houses, but we have slowly given them all of those jobs. “Defund” the police means “fund” services for domestic abuse victims, drug addicts, homeless children, and young girls sold into slavery.
If you don’t want to read, here is a video about it for you:
Actually two videos about it and I think this one may be the better one in explaining it:
“Defund” the police means “fund” services for domestic abuse victims, drug addicts, homeless children, and young girls sold into slavery.Then, drop the slogan "Defund the police" and state what you want correctly. The word "police" refers to "a body of people empowered by a state, with the aim to enforce the law, to ensure the safety, health and possessions of citizens" (Wiki).
Policing is a tradition that goes back to the Sheriff of Nottingham when maces, swords and spears were use to deal with protestors like Robin Hood and his band of social activists. Perhaps, things have changed and citizens have become civilized and members of polite society. If that is the case, we don’t need the police or law enforcement.
Then, drop the slogan “Defund the police” and state what you want correctly. -- SreeI'll pass your comment along, but I'm not on the outreach committee:
What is wanted is for authoritarian regimes to be non-existent, changing into things that actually help people, not treat them like animals, blaming the victim, or killing people just because a cop doesn’t like the colour of their skin. Order can still be kept without having authoritarian figures killing people over $20.
They’ve been saying these things for a long time. Somehow, politicians make it appear that they are doing something. But really, something as simple as “don’t choke people” is still something that needs to be asked for.
The Prora (Pro-racists) will do everything they can to prevent such policies.
But really, something as simple as “don’t choke people” is still something that needs to be asked for.I wonder why we don't arm the police with tranquilizer guns to deal with folks who resist arrest. Those darts could drop an elephant. The two rookie cops wouldn't have need to call for backup and just move in to support George Floyd to prevent him from falling and risk cracking his head on the sidewalk.
Okay, I am going to say this here, if the protests and riots and looting are all about “Black lives matter”, then questions I have to ask, where is all the protests, riots, and looting when a black person kills another black person? Where is all the signs saying “Black lives matter” then? Yes, these are questions no one wants to answer because it is simple, “Black lives matter” only comes up when it is a white person who killed a black person. It is not about “Black lives matter”, it is about racism. That is what it is always about. If this was not the case then when a black person kills another black person we would have the same response as we are having now, yet we don’t. Black people wish to be treated as equals? Then maybe do what we do when a black cop kills a white person, sit at home and talk to the TV and talk about how messed up it is. When you riot and loot and burn down the corner store that does nothing but further the argument that black people will find any reason they can to bring up racism and how unfair they are treated. Tell me something, how does a black person robbing, or looting if that is what you want to call it, the store on the corner of the block they live on helping get equal treatment? How is a black person setting a car on fire helping get equal treatment? How is any of the riots, looting, or anything violent such as that going to help get equal treatment? In other words, if you want to help matters, quit doing the stuff that makes the police think your always up to no good because they see you out there burning down a store or a house that had nothing to do with the black guy dying in the first place.