I’m going to start this thread because the bio-lab argument is a distraction from other talk about Russia. The scientific evidence should be considered first. And, I’m leaving burden-of-proof on the claimants for the moments.
I’ll just make this general statement, because I don’t have a few hours to go through the video, find the statements from Nuland that are being misquoted/taken out of context/twisted, then have the arguments trail off into, “yeah but”, “but really”, “the evidence is hidden” or whatever else.
I’ve done this before, so here’s how it goes; Nuland said something about worry about Russia getting bio-weapons and adjacent to that satement, talked about the program to prevent that. The work that is done to prevent and respond to a Russian bio-attack is then associated with created bio-weapons. Numbers and “documents” get tossed around, but the people who are the source of them know that people won’t check their facts.
The daily mail has verified Russian claims that hunter Biden funded bioabs in Ukraine by accessing his own emails from the laptop that liberal media now admits exists.
Daily Mail is like one of the worst sources. It’s up there with the Enquirer and the Globe. They are some of the original sources of conspiracy. They are meant nothing more than for entertainment at the very most.
“Emails and defense contract data reviewed by DailyMail.com suggest that Hunter had a prominent role in making sure Metabiota was able to conduct its pathogen research just a few hundred miles from the border with Russia.”
The Russian government held a press conference Thursday claiming that Hunter Biden helped finance a US military ‘bioweapons’ research program in Ukraine
However the allegations were branded a brazen propaganda ploy to justify president Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and sow discord in the US
But emails and correspondence obtained by DailyMail.com from Hunter’s abandoned laptop show the claims may well be true
The emails show Hunter helped secure millions of dollars of funding for Metabiota, a Department of Defense contractor specializing in research on pandemic-causing diseases
He also introduced Metabiota to an allegedly corrupt Ukrainian gas firm, Burisma, for a ‘science project’ involving high biosecurity level labs in Ukraine
The president’s son and his colleagues invested $500,000 in Metabiota through their firm Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners
They raised several million dollars of funding for the company from investment giants including Goldman Sachs
None of the rest of this summary matters, unless you handle this part. They are an existing company, that’s about the only part that fits this story. They aren’t creating bioweapons. Unless you can show that, there is nothing else here that was done that could justify an invasion by Russia
I’d say that’s not even definitive … “research on pandemic-causing diseases” still does not say they were weaponizing them.
I’m sure there are plenty of labs around the world doing research on “pandemic-causing diseases” such as ebola, bird flu, swine flu, corona virus without weaponizing them.
The Russian’s key propaganda breakdown is with:
with “Bioweapons” in quotes - implying they have no evidence, but it’s a good sound byte.
The propagandists are counting on people’s ignorance. In a world where there are pandemics, diseases being released from deforestation, and actual bio-weapons, it makes sense that there would be labs everywhere doing what is needed to be done to understand them and prepare for them.
Saying Russia is justified for attacking due to this lab existing, is like saying I’m justified in shooting my neighbor because I saw them loading a rifle into their car, during hunting season.
Metabiota, the US company funded by US Department of Defence’s Threat Reduction Agency (“DTRA”) to operate biolabs in Ukraine, was founded by Nathan Wolfe who is linked to the Global Virome Project, EcoHealth, World Economic Forum and Jeffrey Epstein. Not only been funded by various branches of US Department of Defence but, is also funded by Hunter Biden’s Rosemont Seneca and CIA venture capital company In-Q-Tel. And this is merely scratching the surface of those backing the biolabs in Ukraine. - DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEERING - https://www.its.ac.id/tis/biolabs-in-ukraine-who-are-metabiota-s-investors-14/
That just sounds crazy and has no logic at all. Example, in the 1950’s the French went to Dimona to work on Israel’s nuclear weapons. And to this day Israel maintains a policy of nuclear opacity, never officially confirming the existence of its nuclear program. WMD weapons are the same. So, you tell milkthecow that none to this matters unless he can prove the company is making WMD. Which is against the law.
There has been no creditable claim of anyone making Bio-weapons now and there never will be.
Unless someone went into Ukraine and took over Bio-labs that were making Bio-Weapons and got the data to show. Even then the claim would be labeled as made-up data. Oh wait, two weeks ago Russia did take over a DCD level 4 Bio-lab in Ukraine.
Bioweapons has prohibition of production and possession. No one on earth today is going to say a lab is making or building bioweapons. To say otherwise is just plain crazy. Chinese, Iranian, and Russian sources have asserted that the United States was working on building bioweapons.
Back in the 70’s a lot of countries were working on building bioweapons. USSR claimed their arsenals were on the order of 1,000s of tons ready for chemical warfare. They also admitted that they were not the leader in bioweapons. They were behind the US.
Not to leave you hanging on Cleveland Clinic. Covid-19 is rated as a Biological Warfare Weapon. Don’t take my word for it. Check out the guy who helped write the legal definition of Biological Warfare Weapon.
Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act has given a detailed statement admitting that the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive Biological Warfare Weapon and that the World Health Organization (WHO) already knows about it. Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush.
Point being – There are thousands of Bio-labs. Let’s add another common factor. The CDC rating. We agree that no one in the world is making Bio-weapons. But, if they were and connect to the US. They would have to have a CDC BSL-4 rating.
BSL-4 builds upon the containment requirements of BSL-3 and is the highest level of biological safety. There are a small number of BSL-4 labs in the United States and around the world. The microbes in a BSL-4 lab are dangerous and exotic, posing a high risk of aerosol-transmitted infections. Infections caused by these microbes are frequently fatal and without treatment or vaccines. Two examples of microbes worked with in a BSL-4 laboratory include Ebola and Marburg viruses.
The DCD level 4 Bio-lab in Ukraine taken over by Russia two weeks ago was Mechnikov Antiplague. A Scientific and Research Institute, in the Black Sea port city of Odessa. In the past the institute was part of a Cold War network of antiplaque stations supplying highly lethal pathogens to Soviet bioweapons factories.
Mechnikov Antiplague has been receiving funding from the US.
I don’t know, what do you think? You read the same article. Think the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals have the same type of backers in their bio-labs?
The US nuclear programs in Ukraine are being handled by the same taxpayer funded programs and departments. And both are WMD and being controlled by the same top US management heads. And both should have been finished well over a decade ago.
Then the conspiracy theory logic is in play. Because Russia said they had paperwork from the bio-lab they took over to connect to bioweapons and the US said it was made up.
Funding and operations are not a casual relationship
I have no idea what you think is in that pdf, but it’s not evidence of bioweapon production
I really wish I could get you to understand your flawed logic here. It would wrap up so many threads that have gone on for years. If someone has been caught lying many times, then calling them a liar is not a fallacy. The prior evidence of lying combined with the lack of evidence from any other source adds up to a good chance of another lie.
Taking loose threads of unconfirmed evidence from poor sources is the definition of a conspiracy theory. The goal is not to discover anything, it’s to keep the balls in the air, keep chasing the next dangling question, keep turning up something new when the old bit of speculation is starting to wear thin.
I messed up. had several links and grabbed the wrong one.
We are not talking about one person. We are discussing government policy. Snowden comes to mind. Government telling us for years they were not spying on the public. It was all lies. Look at the Hunter laptop. 50 plus former FBI and government officials said it was a conspiracy. NYT, Post and all left leaning media and major internet social sites said it was a conspiracy. Now, that was done to reach a goal. To fool the people to change an election. Trump is now suing and all the sudden The NYT and some of the rest of the coup have made a 180. I bet you are not surprised because it has to do with elections. And that is sort of the nature of elections.
Well, WMD also have their history of fooling the public. I was working on building nuclear cruse missiles during the US-Russian nuclear arms control in the late 80’s. When the Russian’s came to the defense plant. I just had to make sure all the tooling was covered with a tarp or plastic. Anything not covered was put in a locked room. The facts are, we were increasing our nuclear capabilities. Not reducing them. And most likely Russia was too. But the public got a different story.
Anyone telling the truth about the nuclear capabilities would be conspiracy nut. No matter how much logic they used.
I just came across another government conspiracy a few minutes ago. In reading about the Biden equity Climate Change framework. It is all about socialism. I couldn’t believe it. But he changed the meaning of Climate Change again. It now refers to any change in climate over time, whether due to natural variability or as a result of human activity. In other words, natural weather can be called “Climate Change”.
Point being. In a world with no transparency, no countability, and no trustability from the government. You may need to add another definition to conspiracy theory. Or start using the word probabilistic.
You’ve done that a couple of times recently. The reason I wanted you to show that is that your sources agree with me. You want to extrapolate this data and claim there actually are bioweapons being produced, and that it makes sense for the an army to invade to secure them. Even though your source says,
“could be useful”, “the potential is”, “no confirmed reports of stolen pathogens”,
“These institutes have served to prevent diseases such as plague, tularemia and Crimean-Congo fever from spilling over,” he said
I’m talking about Putin. He has a lot of power in Russia, unlike any other dictator or politician. He has isolated himself. In a very short time, we are hearing from his own people that they don’t support him. So, comparing him to something the US government did is an innacurate comparison. Our government is swinging back and forth and having trouble doing anything because of so much disagreement.
And what is the “US-Russian nuclear arms control”? That was the time of steep build-up nuclear weapons, and Reagan was quite open about it, because he thought that’s how you bring about peace. There were talks, but they were famously failures.
