Can't one be both? There seem to be a good deal of five star reviews for his book on amazon.If a few five star reviews on amazon is the bar you have set, you are going to be ingesting a lot of crap.
Can't one be both? There seem to be a good deal of five star reviews for his book on amazon.If a few five star reviews on amazon is the bar you have set, you are going to be ingesting a lot of crap. It’s nkt really a few but it’s a lot and there are only a few two stars but some of them have high votes and are written well and in detail. But I can’t shake the sense that he might be right. That I’m just tricking myself into thinking there is meaning to what I do lest I drown in the void. But it doesn’t work and the realization that I’m swimming in the void and the meaninglessness takes over me. The business about whether a unified self exists or not, determinism, things that I have taken for granted are being called into question and I don’t have the powers of analysis to sift through them let alone understand how to take them down. But I think the worst of it all is that if I disagree I think I’m wrong. Like I’m told that I’m missing something or just ignoring what he is saying just so I can remain comfortable. That unless you are in pain or mental anguish then you aren’t really smart or seeking truth. That I am commuting confirmation bias by not listening to him. That I can’t convince people that he is wrong must mean some part of him is right. I mean if something is wrong then everyone should recognize it as such right?
That I can’t convince people that he is wrong must mean some part of him is right. I mean if something is wrong then everyone should recognize it as such right?I doubt your sincerity at this point because you keep returning to bad sources without reasons. We've covered that you don't have to make a complete and solid argument against every opinion in the world. In this world of access to the sum of human knowledge, you could barely scratch the surface in a lifetime. It's part of being human that we don't know everything, again, covered that, lots of times. So, to your last statement then question; It doesn't mean anything about his opinion that you can't convince people he's wrong. It could mean the people you are talking to are stupid, it could mean you need to work on your skills of convincing people, it could mean you need to work on logic (as we've been doing). Meanwhile, just like everyone else in the world, you have to live with the possibility you are wrong. Rather than always looking for something unprovable however, start thinking in terms of probability. And No, if something is wrong, a lot of people might still be wrong about it. Simply taking a poll of the world won't lead you to the right answers. In fact, it has led a lot of people to groups like ISIS. There are plenty of good plenty around you, I'm pretty sure of that just by what I know of you. Good people won't recommend suicide or murder or annihilation of the human race. It's them who have to do the convincing, and you've shown their arguments here and I've shown how they to 'nuthin. EDIT: I'm may have given a mixed message, since I'm saying that you're NOT being able to argue against Liggoti doesn't make him right, but then saying there are good people that you might not be able to argue for or against either. I guess, you gotta consider what they are arguing for. If someone is arguing that life isn't worth living and you should just end it, why are they selling you a book that says that? That's the kind of thing a mass murderer does in a video, then they actually do kill themselves. That is someone who is so mad at the universe they take themselves out and prove they really didn't care by taking out others. I can tell you aren't that type of person. But if you are just trying to convince others of the meaningless of life, that just sounds like you want to sell books. Or just make others as miserable as you. It's easy to convince people there is no inherent meaning, no automatic gifts given to you. We've come to that conclusion a few times in these threads. The hard part is creating some joy and meaning. So that's what I meant by looking for people who seem to be having some fun. It's obviously possible, whether you think they are faking it or not.
I just think that everyone has a valid point to make and that shutting them down is confirmation bias, denial, or ad homeniem.
Then again, it does make me fall prey to junk like this: Page not found – The Living Legacy Memorial Page for forbiddentruthblog.com Domain
And, sadly enough, things like this: Page not found – The Living Legacy Memorial Page for forbiddentruthblog.com Domain
I just think that everyone has a valid point to make and that shutting them down is confirmation bias, denial, or ad homeniem.I'm not going to read either one of those. Everyone can't be right about everything. You know that, you even admit the flaw in that reasoning. You're not very good at trolling.
I just think that everyone has a valid point to make and that shutting them down is confirmation bias, denial, or ad homeniem.I'm not going to read either one of those. Everyone can't be right about everything. You know that, you even admit the flaw in that reasoning. You're not very good at trolling. I saw that last clip and that was clearly written by a psychopath with a God complex, but as long as he doesn't bother anyone else, who cares? If he does, George Carlin had another great idea about what to do about that kind of person and balance the budget at the same time.... :-) Warning, this is harsh, but funneeeeee! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQl16jj2n4A And Titano, if you want to kill yourself; George Carlin has a great idea how you might entertain others; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nimcoCbVfHk.
Titanomachina I still think you would appreciate "The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" simply reading along with Phaedrus' sturm und drang I believe you would find fascinating. yeah, yeah typos - eyes and fingers don't harmonize on this newfangle lousy keyboard apple has switched to. Oh for the good old days ;-PIt's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. The Zen part should not be overlooked.
I just think that everyone has a valid point to make and that shutting them down is confirmation bias, denial, or ad homeniem.I'm not going to read either one of those. Everyone can't be right about everything. You know that, you even admit the flaw in that reasoning. You're not very good at trolling. I know I can’t know everything and that’s what’s scary. Because knowing that I’m not obligated to anything is terrifying. To know that nothing truly matters is too. Having seen the void, I don’t understand why to even bother. Life seems pretty repetitive for quite a few people so that whole “never know about tomorrow" bit doesn’t help much. I mean the only real surprise would be death. But besides that, with no grand meaning or purpose I understand that rolling a boulder up a hill now. Wake up, fill the time, sleep and do it again. Sure work can feel like purpose, but anyone is replaceable and it’s not like any real change is made. Even among friends there will be others and people move on. Life isn’t a journey, because there isn’t a destination. It’s more like a cage match, or something else. You keep going until death gets you, but you aren’t going anywhere. And when you’re gone, nothing has changed. In that sense it makes like feel long and I hope that death is some relief and rest, but I can’t know that. Because beyond it being permanent I have no idea what it is like. But sometimes the fantasy is tempting. It would suck majorly for me to die and then nothing. Like “I’m tired now, time to rest, but I cannot feel the rest so it’s not actually rest). It’s just swimming in the dark at this point
I know what it means to be alive. Do you know what it means to be repetitive? Do you know it annoys the hell out of people?You clearly don't since you haven't refuted my logic I just want to be clear at this point, that we have covered this idea that you have logic. You don't. You don't have logic for or against what your talking about. You have made no logical case for anything. You don't ever get to go back to that or claim that you ever had a logical case. I'm quoting from three pages ago, but I'm saying we have discussed this since that point.
I know what it means to be alive. Do you know what it means to be repetitive? Do you know it annoys the hell out of people?You clearly don't since you haven't refuted my logic I just want to be clear at this point, that we have covered this idea that you have logic. You don't. You don't have logic for or against what your talking about. You have made no logical case for anything. You don't ever get to go back to that or claim that you ever had a logical case. I'm quoting from three pages ago, but I'm saying we have discussed this since that point. I'm not talking about my logic anymore. I know, or at least have a feeling, that I'm wrong about it somewhere. But I can't exactly put it into words. It sounds convincing to me, but something about it feels off. Then again, if I'm convinced by a "Seer of Forbidden Truth" then I can't really trust my self then
@ Titanomachine
This may be of interest in context of the discussion:
“Based on these interviews, he compiled a list of ten dimensions of complexity-ten pairs of apparently antithetical characteristics that are often both present in the creative minds. The list includes:
- Bursts of impulsiveness that punctuate periods of quiet and rest.
- Being smart yet extremely naive.
- Large amplitude swings between extreme responsibility and irresponsibility.
- A rooted sense of reality together with a hefty dose of fantasy and imagination.
- Alternating periods of introversion and extroversion.
- Being simultaneously humble and proud.
- Psychological androgyny-no clear adherence to gender role stereotyping.
- Being rebellious and iconoclastic yet respectful to the domain of expertise and its history.
- Being on one had passionate but on the other objective about one’s own work.
- Experiencing suffering and pain mingled with exhilaration and enjoyment."
Mario Livio, The Equation That Couldn’t Be Solved: How Mathematical Genius Discovered the Language of Symmetry
The Equation That Couldn't Be Solved Quotes by Mario Livio
That is actually not relevant at all to the discussion. What I am saying it that sometimes life feels too long. The fact that living isn’t mandatory bothers me, it makes me wonder why bother building a life is one doesn’t have to live. But without the courage to end it, it just feels like I have to seek things to fill my time until I die lest I spend the rest of existence bored. If I don’t have to stay alive, then why bother?
Titanomachina I still think you would appreciate "The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" simply reading along with Phaedrus' sturm und drang I believe you would find fascinating. yeah, yeah typos - eyes and fingers don't harmonize on this newfangle lousy keyboard apple has switched to. Oh for the good old days ;-PIt's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. The Zen part should not be overlooked. Ouch, yes. :sick: But I did include it earlier! :red: Now that you bring it up, I actually engaged in Zen and the Art of VW hippy maintenance on a road trip, it works. Oh but that was the good old days. These new fangled cars, >90s, no zen will help with the maintenance, so I just drive 'em easy and have my mechanic who's fortunately zen like. Guess I got too caught up thinking about Phaedrus, that dude was not Zen like, as I remember it. and i still think T would find Phaedrus most interesting.
Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:It was Roseanne Roseannadanna Sheesh! Oh poop, you busted me. It's true i never did visit her near as often as they tell me I should have, and I never was any good at writing letters, so thanks for setting me straight. Got it, Auntie Roseanne Roseannadanna, god rest her frisky little soul. thanks :kiss:
Again, this is getting off topic.
What I am saying is that if I don’t have to stay alive then why bother? Without any sort of grand purpose or use then why struggle? Joy and pleasure only make sense to me if I have to stay alive, because if I have to I might as well make it pleasant until the end. But I don’t have to stay alive, and that makes it apparent that I don’t want to be alive. I don’t see life as a journey or adventure, becuaee that’s not what it is. It seems like a cage match where it’s just struggle after struggle until you are broken and then only way out is death.
Life just seems so long, especially when you don’t have to be here. And if I don’t have to be here then why continue?
What I am saying is that if I don’t have to stay alive then why bother? Without any sort of grand purpose or use then why struggle? Joy and pleasure only make sense to me if I have to stay alive, because if I have to I might as well make it pleasant until the end. But I don’t have to stay alive, and that makes it apparent that I don’t want to be alive. I don’t see life as a journey or adventure, becuaee that’s not what it is. It seems like a cage match where it’s just struggle after struggle until you are broken and then only way out is death. Life just seems so long, especially when you don’t have to be here. And if I don’t have to be here then why continue?If you haven't been able to find a reason for living by the time you reach adulthood, I'm sorry to say you're probably sunk. You had a shot at making your life worth living you have apparentlyfailed. Most people manage to something or create a life worth living. It's unfortinate that you couldn't do it. As far as anyone can tell, you only get one chance and you blew it.
What I am saying is that if I don’t have to stay alive then why bother? Without any sort of grand purpose or use then why struggle? Joy and pleasure only make sense to me if I have to stay alive, because if I have to I might as well make it pleasant until the end. But I don’t have to stay alive, and that makes it apparent that I don’t want to be alive. I don’t see life as a journey or adventure, becuaee that’s not what it is. It seems like a cage match where it’s just struggle after struggle until you are broken and then only way out is death. Life just seems so long, especially when you don’t have to be here. And if I don’t have to be here then why continue?If you haven't been able to find a reason for living by the time you reach adulthood, I'm sorry to say you're probably sunk. You had a shot at making your life worth living you have apparentlyfailed. Most people manage to something or create a life worth living. It's unfortinate that you couldn't do it. As far as anyone can tell, you only get one chance and you blew it. It’s not a matter of creating, it’s know that whatever you create doesn’t matter. That knowing you don’t have to stay alive. Knowing that nothing you make or create will change it and that the void will still be there. D you think creating a life worth living solves the problem it doesn’t, you just hide from it. None of it matters and none of it is necessary. They don’t understand that in death there is no need for anything they work for and they can’t take it with them.
You can’t take it with you? I’ve never heard that before!! Pure genius. You should get that copyrighted.