Why is death not the "answer"?

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Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:
It's just that I enjoyed things before when I thought I had to stick around for a long time, which made me think "might as well build something if I'm going to be here a while". But realizing it's optional makes me second guess why I live. That means I choose pain and suffering as long as I want to live. I don't "have" to build a life and do things I enjoy because I'm not obligated to. It's weird to be in such a position. It's like I don't want to die, but I don't see a logical reason to live when it isn't necessarily Try smoking a jay, that'll motivate you...... :-)No, don't tell me, you knew Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna too. :wow:
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CC-v-3 said, No, don’t tell me, you knew Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna too. surprised
She was a deep thinker....... :)
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Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:
It was Roseanne Roseannadanna Sheesh!
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Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:[/quote It was Roseanne Roseannadanna Sheesh!
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Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:
It's just that I enjoyed things before when I thought I had to stick around for a long time, which made me think "might as well build something if I'm going to be here a while". But realizing it's optional makes me second guess why I live. That means I choose pain and suffering as long as I want to live. I don't "have" to build a life and do things I enjoy because I'm not obligated to. It's weird to be in such a position. It's like I don't want to die, but I don't see a logical reason to live when it isn't necessarily Reading this, it hit me that Titanomachina grew up. We all have these moments when we realize we are on our own. We get an apartment, or maybe a dorm room and we can have over whomever we want, we get a drivers license and realize we can go anywhere, we can stock our cabinets full of junk food and beer, we can stay up late and watch a movie and no one is there to tell us otherwise. We have full authority over our own bodies. Hopefully by time we get that, we've learned responsibility. Part of that responsibility is understanding there is a future and that there are other people around us and that those two things work in tandem. Tita leaves these things out of his "logic".
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Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:
It's just that I enjoyed things before when I thought I had to stick around for a long time, which made me think "might as well build something if I'm going to be here a while". But realizing it's optional makes me second guess why I live. That means I choose pain and suffering as long as I want to live. I don't "have" to build a life and do things I enjoy because I'm not obligated to. It's weird to be in such a position. It's like I don't want to die, but I don't see a logical reason to live when it isn't necessarily Reading this, it hit me that Titanomachina grew up. We all have these moments when we realize we are on our own. We get an apartment, or maybe a dorm room and we can have over whomever we want, we get a drivers license and realize we can go anywhere, we can stock our cabinets full of junk food and beer, we can stay up late and watch a movie and no one is there to tell us otherwise. We have full authority over our own bodies. Hopefully by time we get that, we've learned responsibility. Part of that responsibility is understanding there is a future and that there are other people around us and that those two things work in tandem. Tita leaves these things out of his "logic". I left them out because they don't factor into it. As I have said, I'm not obligated to stay alive so I don't see why I should. It made sense to care about what happens to me if I HAVE to live, after all might as well make the ride comfortable. But I don't have to, so I find it hard to justify choosing pain and sticking around for years on this planet, or working hard just to live another day when I don't have to. It's weird not wanting to die but not really wanting to live or seeing the point of living I guess.
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Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:
It's just that I enjoyed things before when I thought I had to stick around for a long time, which made me think "might as well build something if I'm going to be here a while". But realizing it's optional makes me second guess why I live. That means I choose pain and suffering as long as I want to live. I don't "have" to build a life and do things I enjoy because I'm not obligated to. It's weird to be in such a position. It's like I don't want to die, but I don't see a logical reason to live when it isn't necessarily Try smoking a jay, that'll motivate you...... :-) It doesn't just makes me sad and sleepy.
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Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:
It's just that I enjoyed things before when I thought I had to stick around for a long time, which made me think "might as well build something if I'm going to be here a while". But realizing it's optional makes me second guess why I live. That means I choose pain and suffering as long as I want to live. I don't "have" to build a life and do things I enjoy because I'm not obligated to. It's weird to be in such a position. It's like I don't want to die, but I don't see a logical reason to live when it isn't necessarily Reading this, it hit me that Titanomachina grew up. We all have these moments when we realize we are on our own. We get an apartment, or maybe a dorm room and we can have over whomever we want, we get a drivers license and realize we can go anywhere, we can stock our cabinets full of junk food and beer, we can stay up late and watch a movie and no one is there to tell us otherwise. We have full authority over our own bodies. Hopefully by time we get that, we've learned responsibility. Part of that responsibility is understanding there is a future and that there are other people around us and that those two things work in tandem. Tita leaves these things out of his "logic". I left them out because they don't factor into it. As I have said, I'm not obligated to stay alive so I don't see why I should. It made sense to care about what happens to me if I HAVE to live, after all might as well make the ride comfortable. But I don't have to, so I find it hard to justify choosing pain and sticking around for years on this planet, or working hard just to live another day when I don't have to. It's weird not wanting to die but not really wanting to live or seeing the point of living I guess. You stay alive because your determining factors make you want to stay alive. You have no control over it. If your determining factors should change and make you no longer want to stay alive you will probably find a way to kill yourself. Your consciousness will have no input. Your determining factors are 100% in control. SpM lime, spam line, spam line. Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
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I left them out because they don't factor into it. As I have said, I'm not obligated to stay alive so I don't see why I should. It made sense to care about what happens to me if I HAVE to live, after all might as well make the ride comfortable. But I don't have to, so I find it hard to justify choosing pain and sticking around for years on this planet, or working hard just to live another day when I don't have to. It's weird not wanting to die but not really wanting to live or seeing the point of living I guess.
Pretty much any time you type "as I have said", just stop. What you say here is, I know there are reasons, I'm just not considering them. That's bad logic. You don't HAVE to live. You don't have choose pain or hard work. You're free. That's the weird thing you are having trouble with. You are like Harold from Harold and Maude, you are walking around already dead. You have seen the choices of working toward happiness or doing just enough to avoid suffering.
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I left them out because they don't factor into it. As I have said, I'm not obligated to stay alive so I don't see why I should. It made sense to care about what happens to me if I HAVE to live, after all might as well make the ride comfortable. But I don't have to, so I find it hard to justify choosing pain and sticking around for years on this planet, or working hard just to live another day when I don't have to. It's weird not wanting to die but not really wanting to live or seeing the point of living I guess.
Pretty much any time you type "as I have said", just stop. What you say here is, I know there are reasons, I'm just not considering them. That's bad logic. You don't HAVE to live. You don't have choose pain or hard work. You're free. That's the weird thing you are having trouble with. You are like Harold from Harold and Maude, you are walking around already dead. You have seen the choices of working toward happiness or doing just enough to avoid suffering. But without any "have to" to live, why do so? Why choose suffering and what is likely a painful end to all of it? I mean, there isn't a goal to life. It's just existing. We humans are aware enough to recognize that and are scared by the void.
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I left them out because they don't factor into it. As I have said, I'm not obligated to stay alive so I don't see why I should. It made sense to care about what happens to me if I HAVE to live, after all might as well make the ride comfortable. But I don't have to, so I find it hard to justify choosing pain and sticking around for years on this planet, or working hard just to live another day when I don't have to. It's weird not wanting to die but not really wanting to live or seeing the point of living I guess.
Pretty much any time you type "as I have said", just stop. What you say here is, I know there are reasons, I'm just not considering them. That's bad logic. You don't HAVE to live. You don't have choose pain or hard work. You're free. That's the weird thing you are having trouble with. You are like Harold from Harold and Maude, you are walking around already dead. You have seen the choices of working toward happiness or doing just enough to avoid suffering. But without any "have to" to live, why do so? Why choose suffering and what is likely a painful end to all of it? I mean, there isn't a goal to life. It's just existing. We humans are aware enough to recognize that and are scared by the void. That question has been answered a few dozen times. Look up any of the threads you started. But you don't get to say anything about your "logic" because I've shown that you don't have any.
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From the 2 min mark on describes what I’m trying to get at here.

Also the audio book that would nullify the opposition.

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And one of the video comments:
when people say “life is inherently bad” what they mean is “the reality we have to experience isn’t very nice.” I agree that there’s nothing inherently good or bad because those are social constructs, but your response to it seems to sidestep what’s being talked about more than address it. who cares if it’s all in our heads? it’s unacceptable nonetheless
also the alternative to finding happiness, or more likely failing to find happiness, is suicide and I encourage everyone to kill themselves as quickly and painlessly as possible. though the treachery of existence and our evolution ensures that suicide is often out of our reach, but books like these help us ease into the idea that we should destroy everything around us as thoroughly as possible until we can ensure our total destruction and preferably the destruction of all things

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And one of the video comments: when people say "life is inherently bad" what they mean is "the reality we have to experience isn't very nice." I agree that there's nothing inherently good or bad because those are social constructs, but your response to it seems to sidestep what's being talked about more than address it. who cares if it's all in our heads? it's unacceptable nonetheless also the alternative to finding happiness, or more likely failing to find happiness, is suicide and I encourage everyone to kill themselves as quickly and painlessly as possible. though the treachery of existence and our evolution ensures that suicide is often out of our reach, but books like these help us ease into the idea that we should destroy everything around us as thoroughly as possible until we can ensure our total destruction and preferably the destruction of all things
I've done more research on Ligotti than I care to already. He's a fiction writer, not a philosopher. If that's where you get your logic, it explains a lot. He lacks logic just like you. A guy pointing to a book is not an argument. That a guy wrote a book is not an argument. The video comment is rambling and incoherent. That you can't "shake it" or can't make an argument against Ligotti isn't telling you that he's right, it's telling you that this is a discussion you aren't up to having. People make arguments and write books all the time, and they are still wrong. People buy them and believe them, and they are wrong too.
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I think Schopenhauer puts it better:
Schopenhauer notes that once satiated, the feeling of satisfaction rarely lasts and we spend most of our lives in a state of endless striving, in this sense, we are, deep down nothing but Will. Even the moments of satisfaction, when repeated often enough, only lead to boredom and thus human existence is constantly swinging “like a pendulum to and fro between pain and boredom, and these two are in fact its ultimate constituents”.[22] This ironic cycle eventually allows us to see the inherent vanity at the truth of existence (nichtigkeit) and to realize that “the purpose of our existence is not to be happy”

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Or really this whole page:

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I think Schopenhauer puts it better: Schopenhauer notes that once satiated, the feeling of satisfaction rarely lasts and we spend most of our lives in a state of endless striving, in this sense, we are, deep down nothing but Will. Even the moments of satisfaction, when repeated often enough, only lead to boredom and thus human existence is constantly swinging "like a pendulum to and fro between pain and boredom, and these two are in fact its ultimate constituents".[22] This ironic cycle eventually allows us to see the inherent vanity at the truth of existence (nichtigkeit) and to realize that "the purpose of our existence is not to be happy"
At least you are picking better sources. You're still looking for confirmation of your ideas rather than listening first then choosing. But we already said this, from the very beginning, satisfaction of personal desires is not the meaning of life. I could argue for some larger sense of overall happiness in the world, but that will get us bogged down in utilitarianism, so I'll skip it for now. Keep reading Schopenhauer, because he goes on after making this point. He says when you realize that happiness is not the purpose, you will move on to finding something else. You have been presenting this failure as if it is the end, the final conclusion. It's just part of your path, a path many people go down, some of them die on it, some come back.
Whoever, then, has returned by one path or the other from that error, indwelling a priori within us, from that "first falsity" of our existence, will soon see everything in a different light, and now find the world in harmony, even if not with his desire, at least with his insight. Schopenhauer: The Worlds as Will Presentation, Volume 2
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Titanomachina I still think you would appreciate
“The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” simply reading along with Phaedrus’ sturm und drang I believe you would find fascinating.
yeah, yeah typos - eyes and fingers don’t harmonize on this newfangle lousy keyboard apple has switched to.
Oh for the good old days :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Less philosophical, but just as important. Negative emotions are good for you. That goal of feeling good all the time is not actually good.

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And one of the video comments: when people say "life is inherently bad" what they mean is "the reality we have to experience isn't very nice." I agree that there's nothing inherently good or bad because those are social constructs, but your response to it seems to sidestep what's being talked about more than address it. who cares if it's all in our heads? it's unacceptable nonetheless also the alternative to finding happiness, or more likely failing to find happiness, is suicide and I encourage everyone to kill themselves as quickly and painlessly as possible. though the treachery of existence and our evolution ensures that suicide is often out of our reach, but books like these help us ease into the idea that we should destroy everything around us as thoroughly as possible until we can ensure our total destruction and preferably the destruction of all things
I've done more research on Ligotti than I care to already. He's a fiction writer, not a philosopher. If that's where you get your logic, it explains a lot. He lacks logic just like you. A guy pointing to a book is not an argument. That a guy wrote a book is not an argument. The video comment is rambling and incoherent. That you can't "shake it" or can't make an argument against Ligotti isn't telling you that he's right, it's telling you that this is a discussion you aren't up to having. People make arguments and write books all the time, and they are still wrong. People buy them and believe them, and they are wrong too. Can't one be both? There seem to be a good deal of five star reviews for his book on amazon.