Why is death not the "answer"?

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I’m being serious here.

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I'm being serious here.
Into this world you were born naked, and out of the world naked you will leave. I heard it in a western once: "My life is but a journey from my birthplace to the place of my death." As he rode off into the sunset. Point being, all those truisms don't mean you need to make every day a living misery. Nor are they a good reason to kill to yourself. Although there are too many people on this planet already, but lets be pragmatic, that's a different story.
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I'm being serious here.
Into this world you were born naked, and out of the world naked you will leave. I heard it in a western once: "My life is but a journey from my birthplace to the place of my death." As he rode off into the sunset. Point being, all those truisms don't mean you need to make every day a living misery. Nor are they a good reason to kill to yourself. Although there are too many people on this planet already, but lets be pragmatic, that's a different story. It’s more like how if living isn’t mandatory then why are we here? If you aren’t obligated or mandated to do anything, then why do it? There isn’t anything we “have to" do, even if we think so. Helping others doesn’t work since all I am doing is facilitating an environment where they can notice the meaninglessness we live in. They can see nothing has any grand purpose and all the meaning is whatever we decide on and it vanishes with us. Maybe ligotti was right and life is a confidence trick we play on ourselves to avoid facing the cruelty of reality and the nature of our existence.
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I'm being serious here.
Into this world you were born naked, and out of the world naked you will leave. I heard it in a western once: "My life is but a journey from my birthplace to the place of my death." As he rode off into the sunset. Point being, all those truisms don't mean you need to make every day a living misery. Nor are they a good reason to kill to yourself. Although there are too many people on this planet already, but lets be pragmatic, that's a different story. It’s more like how if living isn’t mandatory then why are we here? If you aren’t obligated or mandated to do anything, then why do it? There isn’t anything we “have to" do, even if we think so. Helping others doesn’t work since all I am doing is facilitating an environment where they can notice the meaninglessness we live in. They can see nothing has any grand purpose and all the meaning is whatever we decide on and it vanishes with us. Maybe ligotti was right and life is a confidence trick we play on ourselves to avoid facing the cruelty of reality and the nature of our existence. It's hard to take you seriously. When you ask "do you think creating a life worth living solves the problem?", how do I answer that? If the problem is that life is not worth living, and you know how to create one worth living, then, yes, you've solved the problem. You then present death as if that somehow negates life. It doesn't. It's the part that comes at the end. Even better, "Helping others doesn't work", doesn't work for whom? If they are in pain, and you help them, I think they will see that as helpful. They might experience some other pain, but a lot of people will take that trade off. And your final statement, that life is a trick to avoid the nature of existence. You just said, life is a trick to avoid life. I don't think you need to spend any more time reading Ligotti.
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What I am saying is that if I don’t have to stay alive then why bother? Without any sort of grand purpose or use then why struggle? Joy and pleasure only make sense to me if I have to stay alive, because if I have to I might as well make it pleasant until the end. But I don’t have to stay alive, and that makes it apparent that I don’t want to be alive. I don’t see life as a journey or adventure, becuaee that’s not what it is. It seems like a cage match where it’s just struggle after struggle until you are broken and then only way out is death. Life just seems so long, especially when you don’t have to be here. And if I don’t have to be here then why continue?
If you haven't been able to find a reason for living by the time you reach adulthood, I'm sorry to say you're probably sunk. You had a shot at making your life worth living you have apparentlyfailed. Most people manage to something or create a life worth living. It's unfortinate that you couldn't do it. As far as anyone can tell, you only get one chance and you blew it. It’s not a matter of creating, it’s know that whatever you create doesn’t matter. That knowing you don’t have to stay alive. Knowing that nothing you make or create will change it and that the void will still be there. D you think creating a life worth living solves the problem it doesn’t, you just hide from it. None of it matters and none of it is necessary. They don’t understand that in death there is no need for anything they work for and they can’t take it with them. Why have you chosen to live then? You could end your suffering at any time, yet you haven't. So even you must have a reason to live, even if it's by default and even if you can't articulate it.
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I'm being serious here.
Into this world you were born naked, and out of the world naked you will leave. I heard it in a western once: "My life is but a journey from my birthplace to the place of my death." As he rode off into the sunset. Point being, all those truisms don't mean you need to make every day a living misery. Nor are they a good reason to kill to yourself. Although there are too many people on this planet already, but lets be pragmatic, that's a different story. It’s more like how if living isn’t mandatory then why are we here? If you aren’t obligated or mandated to do anything, then why do it? There isn’t anything we “have to" do, even if we think so. Helping others doesn’t work since all I am doing is facilitating an environment where they can notice the meaninglessness we live in. They can see nothing has any grand purpose and all the meaning is whatever we decide on and it vanishes with us. Maybe ligotti was right and life is a confidence trick we play on ourselves to avoid facing the cruelty of reality and the nature of our existence. It's hard to take you seriously. When you ask "do you think creating a life worth living solves the problem?", how do I answer that? If the problem is that life is not worth living, and you know how to create one worth living, then, yes, you've solved the problem. You then present death as if that somehow negates life. It doesn't. It's the part that comes at the end. Even better, "Helping others doesn't work", doesn't work for whom? If they are in pain, and you help them, I think they will see that as helpful. They might experience some other pain, but a lot of people will take that trade off. And your final statement, that life is a trick to avoid the nature of existence. You just said, life is a trick to avoid life. I don't think you need to spend any more time reading Ligotti. Not that it’s a trick to avid living but to avoid dealing with the truth and exposing the positives as lies. Death does in as sense negate life. I mean creating a life worth living seems to make sense if one has to stay alive. But if one doesn’t have to, then there isn’t a need to make a life worth living nor do they have to. They can just die. I mean in the end you won’t remember what you did in your life, none of those experiences live on and you can’t take them with you. There isn’t a difference between dying now and later. Regret does with you also, so there doesn’t seem to be any reason to keep living.
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Titanomachina, Not that it’s a trick to avid living but to avoid dealing with the truth and exposing the positives as lies. Death does in as sense negate life. I mean creating a life worth living seems to make sense if one has to stay alive. But if one doesn’t have to, then there isn’t a need to make a life worth living nor do they have to. They can just die. I mean in the end you won’t remember what you did in your life, none of those experiences live on and you can’t take them with you. There isn’t a difference between dying now and later. Regret does with you also, so there doesn’t seem to be any reason to keep living.
It's true, when you die, you and your sentience cease to exist completely. But the point is to make the most of the short time you are alive and sentient. Watch this, its informative and may give some insight; https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_how_your_brain_hallucinates_your_conscious_reality
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But you don’t understand, you don’t have to make the most of it. Dying now is no different from dying later, the end result is the same. You won’t remember anything so there is no point to going on.

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But you don't understand, you don't have to make the most of it. Dying now is no different from dying later, the end result is the same. You won't remember anything so there is no point to going on.
Have you ever been near-dead ? I nearly died from congestive heart failure and could not breathe, but my body chemistry told my brain it must have air. There was no choice involved. It was a horrible experience. No logic or reason would have made any difference. My body demanded air which I could not provide, without a hospital oxygen mask. This condition lasted almost 2 weeks and after my normal breathing pattern was restored I looked at life with new respect. At my age, I am not afraid of death, but I surely like to live as long as possible. I still have access to many things that enrich my experience of life. This forum is one of them. Apparently to you also, judging by the number of posts. If none of it had any meaning to you, why bother posting at all? There is a philosophy that people always make decisions in the "direction of greatest satisfaction", even if it comes to a choice between "the least of two evils". But death brings no satisfaction, except perhaps to a few earth worms that will devour your remains.
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But you don't understand, you don't have to make the most of it. Dying now is no different from dying later, the end result is the same. You won't remember anything so there is no point to going on.
So why are you still alive? Presumably you have chosen life. Are you crazy or stupid?
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But you don't understand, you don't have to make the most of it. Dying now is no different from dying later, the end result is the same. You won't remember anything so there is no point to going on.
What do you think we don't understand? I've agreed that you are free to do whatever you want. I've also suggested that you consider what you do with that freedom and how your actions will affect others. That dead is dead and you won't remember aren't arguments for not living. On the most basic level of facts, you're being alive is different than your being dead. Whatever you have done while you have been alive so far, has had some sort of impact on the rest of the universe, if only just some exchange gases, but it's still different. So it's not "no different". It might be infinitesimally small in relation to the universe, but you are infinitesimally small in relation to the universe, so you make an infinitesimally small difference on other infinitesimally small things. So?
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But the difference that you make is so small that one could say it doesn’t matter

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Maybe that 'seer" is right and humans are too defective to live on. The links make other points about other things humans like that drive them, even love and sex.

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But you don't understand, you don't have to make the most of it. Dying now is no different from dying later, the end result is the same. You won't remember anything so there is no point to going on.
So why are you still alive? Presumably you have chosen life. Are you crazy or stupid?Do you actually read and think about what others are saying? I told you, it wasn't a matter of choice. At that time my living body chemistry ruled my mind. Can you stop your heart by will? Can you stop your breathing by will? It's physically impossible, unless you do violence to yourself and what would motivate you to do violence to yourself? Would you do violence to another, because in the end it doesn't matter to him or her? I should hope not. The reason why we are responding to your fatalistic attitude is that there are good people who care, even if you don't, at this particular time.
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But the difference that you make is so small that one could say it doesn't matter
You could, but there is no reason to. You could compare yourself to the vastness of space, or you could look around at what is going on right where you are.
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But you don't understand, you don't have to make the most of it. Dying now is no different from dying later, the end result is the same. You won't remember anything so there is no point to going on.
So why are you still alive? Presumably you have chosen life. Are you crazy or stupid?Do you actually read and think about what others are saying? I told you, it wasn't a matter of choice. At that time my living body chemistry ruled my mind. Can you stop your heart by will? Can you stop your breathing by will? It's physically impossible, unless you do violence to yourself and what would motivate you to do violence to yourself? Would you do violence to another, because in the end it doesn't matter to him or her? I should hope not. The reason why we are responding to your fatalistic attitude is that there are good people who care, even if you don't, at this particular time. I do think about it, but I think my mind has been poisoned by that "seer of forbidden truth".
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But you don't understand, you don't have to make the most of it. Dying now is no different from dying later, the end result is the same. You won't remember anything so there is no point to going on.
So why are you still alive? Presumably you have chosen life. Are you crazy or stupid?Do you actually read and think about what others are saying? I told you, it wasn't a matter of choice. At that time my living body chemistry ruled my mind. Can you stop your heart by will? Can you stop your breathing by will? It's physically impossible, unless you do violence to yourself and what would motivate you to do violence to yourself? Would you do violence to another, because in the end it doesn't matter to him or her? I should hope not. The reason why we are responding to your fatalistic attitude is that there are good people who care, even if you don't, at this particular time. I do think about it, but I think my mind has been poisoned by that "seer of forbidden truth". Who's that?
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But you don't understand, you don't have to make the most of it. Dying now is no different from dying later, the end result is the same. You won't remember anything so there is no point to going on.
So why are you still alive? Presumably you have chosen life. Are you crazy or stupid?Do you actually read and think about what others are saying? I told you, it wasn't a matter of choice. At that time my living body chemistry ruled my mind. Can you stop your heart by will? Can you stop your breathing by will? It's physically impossible, unless you do violence to yourself and what would motivate you to do violence to yourself? Would you do violence to another, because in the end it doesn't matter to him or her? I should hope not. The reason why we are responding to your fatalistic attitude is that there are good people who care, even if you don't, at this particular time. I do think about it, but I think my mind has been poisoned by that "seer of forbidden truth". Who's that? George Carlin; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucRM0eYD7U
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But you don't understand, you don't have to make the most of it. Dying now is no different from dying later, the end result is the same. You won't remember anything so there is no point to going on.
So why are you still alive? Presumably you have chosen life. Are you crazy or stupid?Do you actually read and think about what others are saying? I told you, it wasn't a matter of choice. At that time my living body chemistry ruled my mind. Can you stop your heart by will? Can you stop your breathing by will? It's physically impossible, unless you do violence to yourself and what would motivate you to do violence to yourself? Would you do violence to another, because in the end it doesn't matter to him or her? I should hope not. The reason why we are responding to your fatalistic attitude is that there are good people who care, even if you don't, at this particular time. I do think about it, but I think my mind has been poisoned by that "seer of forbidden truth". Who's that? The George Carlin bit doesn’t really help. As for who, there should be links on page six to what he is. I got caught at a vulnerable point in my life and now I find it hard to reject the things he says.
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As for who, there should be links on page six to what he is. I got caught at a vulnerable point in my life and now I find it hard to reject the things he says.
He doesn't sound like you at all. Other than the fact that he doesn't use any logic, just states things, then builds on them as if he got there logically. I don't think you care about this "seer" at all.