oh yeahLife just seems far too long, too much time and not enough things to entertain oneself until they die. It's like we have to fill the time with something, in that sense life seems more like a prison than an opportunity. Especially even more so given the meaningless nature of the universe and the crippling sense of nihilism that surrounds one upon the realization of that. There is no ultimate goal to life, we are just meat sacks wandering until we expire. What kind of existence is that? Why prolong such a cosmic joke? It's just seems like life is too longIt's not exactly meaninglessness only that suicide seems to be a more logical choice than living life in the ultimatel analysis. As I said, you don't need to having meaning or experience joy in death. All your needs and wants are taken away by death, therefor nullifying them as an excuse to keep living.How about accepting that you are basically an animal and there are forces greater than yourself propelling you forward, no matter what the veneer of little gray cells tells you about how to spend that time.. Killing yourself gets you off the hook of running the "treadmill" - time stops. But then again, some kinda like the treadmill, motion, breathing, touching, doing things, making things. The big black sleep will come soon enough in any event. It seems like you're pissed off at life being what it is, seems like a waste of energy. Others suggest it's a better idea simply to figure out your dance partners steps and then go with the flow.
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Life just seems far too long, too much time and not enough things to entertain oneself until they die. - Comparative, subjective, your opinion, “seems”. Judgments, not data.
It’s like we have to fill the time with something, in that sense life seems more like a prison than an opportunity. - If you compare it to the excitement of a roller coaster ride, or a good half hour television show, sure, there times when you are not being entertained and stimulated.
Especially even more so given the meaningless nature of the universe and the crippling sense of nihilism that surrounds one upon the realization of that. - That the universe does not hand you meaning is not crippling for most people, even those who understand physics.
There is no ultimate goal to life, we are just meat sacks wandering until we expire. - So. Bald assertion. No conclusion.
What kind of existence is that? Why prolong such a cosmic joke? - Is this a rhetorical statement or are you asking?
It’s just seems like life is too long - To you.
Continuing from above: Life just seems far too long, too much time and not enough things to entertain oneself until they die. - Comparative, subjective, your opinion, "seems". Judgments, not data. It's like we have to fill the time with something, in that sense life seems more like a prison than an opportunity. - If you compare it to the excitement of a roller coaster ride, or a good half hour television show, sure, there times when you are not being entertained and stimulated. Especially even more so given the meaningless nature of the universe and the crippling sense of nihilism that surrounds one upon the realization of that. - That the universe does not hand you meaning is not crippling for most people, even those who understand physics. There is no ultimate goal to life, we are just meat sacks wandering until we expire. - So. Bald assertion. No conclusion. What kind of existence is that? Why prolong such a cosmic joke? - Is this a rhetorical statement or are you asking? It's just seems like life is too long - To you.It's not an assertion, it's fact. We are all just "wandering" around a rock chasing goals that only showcase our own sense of self importance. So we fill these years with things that really serve no biological purpose. Money, entertainment, just to pass time. We work until we are old, so we can make money, so that we can use the money on entertainment, food, and shelter. In modern western society, food and shelter are pretty much taken for granted, so we really use our extra money on entertainment. Games, television, vacations, just to take up time, until our inevitable demise.
It's not an assertion, it's fact. We are all just "wandering" around a rock chasing goals that only showcase our own sense of self importance. So we fill these years with things that really serve no biological purpose.I could even concede that your assertion is a fact, and your argument would still not meet the lowest bar of "logical". It's a fact that does not lead to your conclusion. You also make the logical error of saying we are "just"... You take one element of what it is to be human and you claim that is the most important one and the one that defines us and is the one that supports your conclusion. Funny that you mention biology, since there are many biological purposes for us, ask any biologist. But having a biological purpose has little to do with meaning. So that doesn't fit in your logic either. You have said recently, and said many times, that we have not refuted your logic. What I've shown in the last couple days is, you have no logic. You have some things about life you don't like.
Death is inevitable which is what makes life so precious, only psychopaths want to rush death for others.
Which seems to be the main focus of the thread starter, if he thought his own life was meaningless he wouldn’t be here trying to convince others theirs are.
Psychopaths derive meaning in their lives by destroying meaning in others.
This is a person that proposes killing almost everyone else as a “solution”, you don’t see them talking about their own life being not worth living.
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/18689/
A solution to what, the fact that they simply don’t want to share the world with anyone else?
Pretty sure that is the definition of a full on psychopath.
It's not an assertion, it's fact. We are all just "wandering" around a rock chasing goals that only showcase our own sense of self importance. So we fill these years with things that really serve no biological purpose. Money, entertainment, just to pass time. We work until we are old, so we can make money, so that we can use the money on entertainment, food, and shelter. In modern western society, food and shelter are pretty much taken for granted, so we really use our extra money on entertainment. Games, television, vacations, just to take up time, until our inevitable demise.That's why we NEED a solid grounding in and appreciation for our planet's evolution, life's evolution, your body's evolutions and our societys evolution - it's important, it fills in a lot of those gaps. Religions are okay for the human head game - but if you want to appreciate your place in reality - it is absolutely impossible unless you step outside our wonderful minds and onto the solid ground of this Earth under your feet.
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It's not an assertion, it's fact. We are all just "wandering" around a rock chasing goals that only showcase our own sense of self importance. So we fill these years with things that really serve no biological purpose. Money, entertainment, just to pass time. We work until we are old, so we can make money, so that we can use the money on entertainment, food, and shelter. In modern western society, food and shelter are pretty much taken for granted, so we really use our extra money on entertainment. Games, television, vacations, just to take up time, until our inevitable demise.That's why we NEED a solid grounding in and appreciation for our planet's evolution, life's evolution, your body's evolution and our society's evolution - it's important, it fills in a lot of those gaps. Religions are okay for the human head game - but if you want to appreciate your place in reality - it is absolutely impossible unless you step outside our wonderful minds and onto the solid ground of this Earth under your feet. DougC.V2, re your last comment, I relate to you in many ways, and often agree with you, but you can be too harsh - we're all fucked. I believe you feel too secure in your own judgementalism. Come on, we're all fools on this bus, give the guy a break, cut him some slack. Aren't there better ways to call him in his spiel ? ;-)
I have not heard this addressed yet.
Is there an objective reason for the argument that life is worth living if there is no personal compelling reason to want to keep living?
George Carlin addresses that question in his skit “Life is Sacred?”
and the stark facts; Suicide-Life's Worth Losing-George Carlin - YouTube
I have not heard this addressed yet. Is there an objective reason for the argument that life is worth living if there is no personal compelling reason to want to keep living? George Carlin addresses that question in his skit "Life is Sacred?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY95vuEjTTE and the stark facts; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTBVwAZIIsBecause you never know what tomorrow may bring. aka it gets better. Lack of a reason is not a reason. Given the finality of the decision, you need a good reason to give up. Something like chronic incurable pain. Carlin answers himself when he says, I'm too dang busy to kill myself.
I have not heard this addressed yet. Is there an objective reason for the argument that life is worth living if there is no personal compelling reason to want to keep living? George Carlin addresses that question in his skit "Life is Sacred?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY95vuEjTTE and the stark facts; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTBVwAZIIsBecause you never know what tomorrow may bring. aka it gets better. Lack of a reason is not a reason. Given the finality of the decision, you need a good reason to give up. Something like chronic incurable pain. Carlin answers himself when he says, I'm too dang busy to kill myself. :lol: :lol: :lol: There's a guy that had a way with words. W4, spot on, nothing like starting the day with a good belly laugh, thanks. Titano, you taking notes?
Buddhism doesn't advocate suicideMaybe not, but it advocates non-existence.Buddhism teaches that desires and ambitions lead to negative thoughts when those desires are frustrated. But that doesn't mean that life is pointless. By living mindfully in the present moment, we can experience the joy of simply being alive. That essentially is what meditation does for us. I don't consider myself a fully fledged Buddhist, but a lot of it makes sense to me.
Buddhism doesn't advocate suicideMaybe not, but it advocates non-existence.Buddhism teaches that desires and ambitions lead to negative thoughts when those desires are frustrated. But that doesn't mean that life is pointless. By living mindfully in the present moment, we can experience the joy of simply being alive. That essentially is what meditation does for us. I don't consider myself a fully fledged Buddhist, but a lot of it makes sense to me.Don't know a lot about Buddhism, but iirc the goal of Buddhism is to leave the meaningless cycle of reincarnation and become one with the void or whatever it is. Seems like a colorful way of describing non-existence.
I have not heard this addressed yet. Is there an objective reason for the argument that life is worth living if there is no personal compelling reason to want to keep living? George Carlin addresses that question in his skit "Life is Sacred?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY95vuEjTTE and the stark facts; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTBVwAZIIsBecause you never know what tomorrow may bring. aka it gets better. Lack of a reason is not a reason. Given the finality of the decision, you need a good reason to give up. Something like chronic incurable pain. Carlin answers himself when he says, I'm too dang busy to kill myself. :lol: :lol: :lol: There's a guy that had a way with words. W4, spot on, nothing like starting the day with a good belly laugh, thanks. Titano, you taking notes? Carlin missed the mark in regards to suicide. He doesn't seem to guess that life is too long. I'm only 26 and it feels like it is too long, too much time to fill. I would appreciate anything that isn't Disney philosophy, like how "tomorrow will be better" (which is a lie, tomorrow could be worse). Who said you need a good reason to die? Who decides that? Once it's done there really isn't any regret to the decision since you don't exist anymore. That whole "you don't know what tomorrow brings" isn't even a counterpoint. Lack of a reason is in fact a reason to die. There is nothing saying one needs a good reason to die, maybe some are tired of living. At this point it's more of an obligation rather than any will to keep going. Like I'm doing some duty about how others say it gets better (it hasn't) or that you don't know what tomorrow brings (you can know, maybe not in past times but in the modern era it's quite different). Life is fairly predictable.
Oh duty, good one. For someone who says they have no reason to live, you keep coming up with them. A duty to those who care about you. To stay alive and continue to bless us with your wonderful wit and good humor.
Oh duty, good one. For someone who says they have no reason to live, you keep coming up with them. A duty to those who care about you. To stay alive and continue to bless us with your wonderful wit and good humor.It's a weird feeling, like I'm sticking around for someone else and not for me. BUt as someone else said, life is pretty much a predictable cycle of getting a job just to exist for no real reason.
Oh duty, good one. For someone who says they have no reason to live, you keep coming up with them. A duty to those who care about you. To stay alive and continue to bless us with your wonderful wit and good humor.It's a weird feeling, like I'm sticking around for someone else and not for me. BUt as someone else said, life is pretty much a predictable cycle of getting a job just to exist for no real reason. What makes a reason real?
Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say,
Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. 
Buddhism doesn't advocate suicideMaybe not, but it advocates non-existence.Buddhism teaches that desires and ambitions lead to negative thoughts when those desires are frustrated. But that doesn't mean that life is pointless. By living mindfully in the present moment, we can experience the joy of simply being alive. That essentially is what meditation does for us. I don't consider myself a fully fledged Buddhist, but a lot of it makes sense to me.Don't know a lot about Buddhism, but iirc the goal of Buddhism is to leave the meaningless cycle of reincarnation and become one with the void or whatever it is. Seems like a colorful way of describing non-existence.Different branches of Buddhism seem to disagree about whether reincarnation really happens at all. This is one of the teachings that prevents me from actually becoming a Buddhist actually. But the basic philosophy which they all agree on is that the present, the here and now, is the only thing that matters. There's no point in pining for some afterlife where things will be better. Learn to experience the joy in the present moment, in performing the most ordinary tasks. The idea of "becoming one with the void" as you put it sounds no different to me than what we atheists believe, that after death there is only nonexistence.
Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:It's just that I enjoyed things before when I thought I had to stick around for a long time, which made me think "might as well build something if I'm going to be here a while". But realizing it's optional makes me second guess why I live. That means I choose pain and suffering as long as I want to live. I don't "have" to build a life and do things I enjoy because I'm not obligated to. It's weird to be in such a position. It's like I don't want to die, but I don't see a logical reason to live when it isn't necessarily
Or as my dear Auntie Rosanna Anna Danna used to say, Life means as little or as much as you want it to mean. :kiss:It's just that I enjoyed things before when I thought I had to stick around for a long time, which made me think "might as well build something if I'm going to be here a while". But realizing it's optional makes me second guess why I live. That means I choose pain and suffering as long as I want to live. I don't "have" to build a life and do things I enjoy because I'm not obligated to. It's weird to be in such a position. It's like I don't want to die, but I don't see a logical reason to live when it isn't necessarily Try smoking a jay, that'll motivate you...... :-)