Why doesn't the GOP want a border deal?

There is only one real world, and we all live in it. It’s too big for any one of us to perceive all of it, and for some it’s too big for them to find any comfort or make any sense of it. So, we find comfort in a small set of facts that fit with what we think is true.

For immigration, the numbers that get repeated the most are the people crossing the border. Even though people drown doing it, it gets called an open border. Even though border patrol reports on it, it’s said that nothing is being done. That’s reality.

That was a long time ago, and a very popular measure. Hardly the work of one man.

Guess that brings us right back to the point of this thread -

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/29/will-trump-be-able-kill-bipartisan-immigration-deal/#politics-and-social-issues

Can you list them?

Think about that a little.
Or is it just the immigrants that arrived after your forbearers arrived?

But what about a MAGA ME ME ME leader who has demonstrated he’s absolutely immune to truthfulness?

So much of what you claim simply isn’t true

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record

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Oh and there are knock on effects of ignoring issues, and kicking the can down the road

And you believe any of that? Trump is a con-man who tells you what you want to hear, but never delivers on what he promises. Name one.

And most beneficial social services are the result of Democratic legislation, in spite of opposition by Republicans.

NAFTA and the Monroe Doctrine. Biden falling away in the polls

Biden is the proud owner of the best economic rising tide, lifting all boats in 50 years.

In the past 4 years, the Biden economy today actually exceeds the Budget office’s pre-covid future predictions. Think about that for a moment.

Our economy is the strongest by far than all other countries in the world.

OTHER STATISTICS ON THE TOPIC

Poverty and income in the United States


Personal income in the United States from 1991 to 2022 (in billion U.S. dollars)
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U.S. personal income 1991-2022

Median income of black private households in the United States from 1990 to 2022 (in 2022 U.S. dollars)
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U.S. household income of black families 1990-2022

Median weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers in the United States from 1979 to 2021 (in current U.S. dollars)+
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U.S. median earnings of full time wage and salary workers 1979-2021

Average total annual compensation per full-time equivalent employee in the United States from 2000 to 2021 (in U.S. dollars)
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U.S. total compensation per employee 2000-2021

And who else in the world makes “less than 75,000.00” p/yr?

Ironically, those social services are being strained by non-stop immigration.

None of Biden’s limp wristed measures have worked because they are cosmetic. We send a few thousand back and 10 times that number show up again. The current immigration fix is exactly the same thing. Just for show, except now it’s an election year.

Immigration can easily be stopped, there is just no will to do it. Europeans need young immigrants to pay into their very generous social programs because Euro Boomers didn’t have enough children.

As for Climate change causing mass immigration in the future – if that is the case, then the people with the most firepower and the will to use it are going to be the deciding factor.

You’re not listening, or paying attention.
Nothing will get solved that way.
But we all know that already.

If you knew more about what the “climate crisis” is about, and those trajectories developing before our eyes you’d appreciate that fire power isn’t going to win anything for anyone. You think we can keep wantonly blowing up everything in sight?

You don’t think that’s going to come back and bite? :thinking:

Homelessness is up, more people working two or three jobs is up and debt is up

The Report shows total household debt increased by $228 billion (1.3%) in the third quarter of 2023, to $17.29 trillion.7 Nov 2023

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Total Household Debt Reaches $17.29 Trillion in Q3 2023

](Total Household Debt Reaches $17.29 Trillion in Q3 2023; Driven by Mortgage, Credit Card, and Student Loan Balances - FEDERAL RESERVE BANK of NEW YORK)

And that is who’s fault? You are aware there is a bipartisan border bill in congress that is being opposed by the Trump Republicans.

You are aware that funds for Trump’s “border fence” was stolen?

Steve Bannon Charged With Misusing Donations For Trump’s Border Wall

AUGUST 20, 202010:29 AM ET

Former White House adviser Steve Bannon exits the Manhattan Federal Court on Thursday. Bannon and three other defendants have been indicted for allegedly defrauding donors in a $25 million border wall fundraising campaign. Bannon joins a list of 2016 Trump campaign officials who have faced federal charges.
Stephanie Keith/Getty Images

That was after Trump had promised Mexico was going to pay for that wall.
And then Trump “pardoned” these convicted criminals who stole American Taxpayer’s money. Very productive?

Steve bannon is the reason for rise in household debt and homelessness :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

What a sausage

There are no actual numbers that match statement

I see your Replacement Theory. Not gonna fly.

That was not the point of that comment. Straw manning is the technical term. Pointing and laughing is for schoolyards. There are plenty of forums that encourage it. Just sayin’.

Where did thatcome from? Are you saying that? C’mon, that’s pure sausage.

We are talking about unelected criminals running the country and destroying the concept of democracy. And that description doesn’t apply to Biden.

It doesn’t have to be exact. It’s a swarm and it’s not stopping.

I’m afraid it’s been flying for decades.

When are they going to replace you?

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Ultimately, it is the democrat’s fault.

If things get that bad, then liberal values will disappear fast. And if the point is to stop a huge surge in immigration, then firepower would help a lot. Morally it would be unacceptable, but survival always beats morality.

No idea what this means. I’m not European. However, the anti-immigrant voices in Britain, at least, are being silenced.