There are not enough American to pick the jobs. Even better paid these jobs are harsh and unqualified. But you are not totally wrong.
Is it true ? If it is fascism is really coming on, and fast.
ICE practices and doings
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There comes a point in every collapsing empire when the mask slips, the euphemisms dissolve, and the institutions meant to uphold the law start operating like the enforcers of a rogue state. That point arrived long ago for ICE, but this week it kicked into something even darker: the Department of Homeland Security has effectively rebranded itself, not in press releases, of course, but in practice as the United States Department of Human Trafficking.
What else do you call it when federal agents, wearing no identification and driving unmarked vehicles, fan out across the country to abduct people off the street without warrants, without due process, and often without cause?
This is not hyperbole. This is not some left-wing overreaction. This is documented, filmed, and witnessed. In Encinitas, California, a woman walking out of the gym tried to intervene as ICE agents bundled a man into a van. When she demanded a warrant, they told her she âwasnât an interesting party.â When she asked to take down his phone number to call his family, they blocked her. One even tried to slap her phone away. The man vanished. His family may never know what happened.
The ICE officers were masked. They drove unmarked vehicles. They acted like cartel henchmen who went to a police surplus auction. When bystanders questioned them, they accused them of obstructing justice. Because in this America, asking questions about an abduction makes you the criminal.
In Oregon, ICE agents smashed the window of a manâs car in front of his child outside a daycare. That man, Dr. Madi Kbabazade, is a chiropractor. He is married to a U.S. citizen. He is a community pillar. None of that mattered. His baby screamed while officers dragged him out of the driverâs seat. They claimed he overstayed a visa. His wife says thatâs false. But letâs entertain ICEâs version for a moment: since when does an expired visa justify a preschool smash-and-grab arrest in front of children?
In Sacramento, ICE agents tackled a U.S. citizen at Home Depot and tried to mace his wife. His brother is an active-duty Marine Corps officer. Doesnât matter. He had brown skin, and they wanted him. When his wife screamed that heâs a citizen, the agent snapped, âGoogle me.â Thatâs the level of professionalism now required for federal law enforcement: a bruising ego and a burner phone.
These are not isolated incidents. This is the plan. ICE agents are kidnapping people in Alabama, Oregon, California, New York, and even in Manhattanâs federal immigration court plaza. People show up for their court hearings, complying with the law, and are immediately disappeared by agents lurking outside the building. The goal is fear. You can see it in the toddler who watched his father arrested at daycare. You can hear it in the voice of a woman pleading for her husband to be spared, only to be shoved back with pepper spray. You can feel it in the way ICE uses churches, schools, and courthouses as bait.
If this were happening in another country, weâd call it what it is: state-sponsored human trafficking. Disappearances. Detentions. Transport across jurisdictions. Zero transparency. Family separation. Total disregard for due process. All carried out by agents of the government with full knowledge and authorization from the Trump administration.
And letâs not forget the conditions after these abductions. Detention centers are overstuffed. One El Paso facility designed for 1,000 people is currently holding over 6,000. Showers? Rare. Clean clothes? Not likely. Congressional oversight? Blocked. ICE is also running covert detention sites in Manhattan, holding people for weeks in unsanitary conditions with no records, no legal access, no daylight. The only thing missing is a corporate sponsorship and a dystopian jingle.
Itâs not just immigrants. Itâs not just visa overstays. Itâs not just âcriminal aliens,â as Trumpâs DHS so gleefully calls them. Itâs your neighbor. Your patient. Your colleague. Itâs a U.S. citizen whose skin tone offended a badge. Itâs a doctor arrested while holding his babyâs hand. Itâs a woman screaming, âThatâs my husband!â while agents pepper spray her face and drag him into an unmarked vehicle.
And the response from the federal government? Silence. Or worse, deflection. They call this âinterior enforcement.â They claim theyâre protecting American sovereignty. But sovereignty is meaningless if you dismantle the Constitution to protect it. There is no freedom in a state where masked agents can kidnap citizens with impunity, then threaten their spouses and claim the authority to vanish the inconvenient.
So, letâs stop calling this the Department of Homeland Security. That ship sailed. What we have now is the United States Department of Human Trafficking, a government-run operation that abducts, relocates, and conceals human beings with bureaucratic flair and fascist intent. They even have their own branding strategy, masks, black SUVs, buzzwords like âinterferenceâ and âobstructionâ, all designed to make state violence look like national defense.
No law-abiding society can survive this. No decent person should tolerate it. And no administration that allows it to happen should be trusted with power for a single day longer.
And if you think they wonât come for you, just wait until they do.
There are plenty of Americans to do those jobs. They just need to be motivated to do them.
Classically, labor is âmotivatedâ to do difficult and dangerous work by being given the alternate choice of starving to death
Iâm motivated to work construction because I can make good money.
Construction isnât that dangerous or difficult, but many people think it is and thatâs why itâs one of the biggest industries for cheap labor. The fact that there is so much cheap labor available means pay for entry level construction jobs stays too low for Americans to even consider.
Totally disagreeing:
People donât work in construction basic jobs, because it is underpaid. If you give 100 K a year to a mason, you will get candidates, but are you ready to pay the price of the house ?
In France, garbage collectors were all migrants. the pay check has been improved, the working conditions have been improved, and more French people work as such.
You do have it all figured out donât you. I have over two decades as a framing carpenter, so I know a thing or two about job sites and trades. The job sites can be kept safe and jobs can be done safely, but it takes dedication and unwavering attention, because things can so south in a hurry.
Although, as for your usual gib statement such as construction not being dangerous*, I think youâll find many who could take issue with that.
In reality, of course, the business of on-site construction is strenuous and often dangerous work. Despite accounting for only 4.7% of the workforce, 20% of all worker deaths occur in construction, and rates of work-related injuries are exceedingly high.
But they are just lawyers, what would they know?
- * Oh, and as for that smugness among some workers, âheck this is a walk in the parkâ, is exactly what gets them injured sometimes killed.
The jobs that migrants get are working in fields, picking food because it canât be done by a machine, butchering chickens, cleaning toilets and sure construction too. The differences to native born, as a percentage of labor is not huge, itâs not like âall strawberry pickers are Mexicans".
Pressure on wages comes from people paying them.
Iâm not surprised to hear that more French are taking garbage collector jobs after the pay was increased.
Construction is different though, because itâs not municipal work. Ultimately, pay depends on the market.
I didnât say construction isnât dangerous at all, I said it isnât that dangerous. A few jobs are more dangerous than construction.
Even taking account of that, your chances are being killed or seriously injured are not as high as the average person thinks.
Taking account of what?
So now, weâre on about what the average person is thinking about threats?
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But since you brought it, before believing the next random average person, you might consider this.
Took a look at that link, youâre a funny fella. Guess itâs all relative.
Still though I loved the spice of walking tall walls, setting trusses, climbing scaffoldings, and such,
I was also always appreciative of getting back down on the ground, safe and sound.
10 Most Dangerous Jobs in America - Forbes advisor
9. Construction Trade Workers
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Number of fatal injuries (2021): 15
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Fatal injury rate: 23 per 100,000 full-time workers
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Non-fatal injury rate: 2.4 per 100 full-time workers
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Average Salary: $56,510
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Most common fatal accident: Falls, slips, and trips
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5. Structural Iron and Steel Workers
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Number of fatal injuries (2021): 14
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Fatal injury rate: 36 per 100,000 full-time workers
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Non-fatal injury rate: 3.7 per 100 full-time workers
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Average Salary: $64,800
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Most common fatal accident: Falls, slips, and trips
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3. Roofers
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Number of fatal injuries (2021): 115
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Fatal injury rate: 59 per 100,000 full-time workers
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Non-fatal injury rate: 2.4 per 100 full-time workers
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Average Salary: $51,190
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Most common fatal accident: Falls, slips, and trips
Yep. Like I said, a few jobs are more dangerous.
The issues with farm labor is the steady drain physically, the working conditions, and the lack of benefits
Thatâs plausible, and it doesnât necessarily have to be that way, but why single out farm laborers?
FWIW, construction laborers have to deal with those things as well.
This is where this started:
The employers benefit from this lousy system and they own the politicians. Neither is going to fix it. Pitting working class people against each other is their plan. Comparing who is hurt more isnât giving change anything.