The classic statement in a forum is “read my post”, IOW, you missed what I said but I can’t tell if you are not comprehending or deliberately avoiding my cogent point. What I’ve noticed being missed; 1) evidence of how civilizations gain power and eventually lose it, a la Jared Diamond,
According to Diamond environmental advantages seem to be the primary factor. That in turn selects for adaptive traits which function best in that environment and promote a feedback loop. I am not aware of any studies that say otherwise.
2) evidence throughout history of non-white people accomplishing ground breaking things, i.e. Sumerians created written language, the invention of zero by a few cultures, gun powder, translation of Greek philosophy into modern language, architecture, irrigation, modern farming techniques, transitioning an orbiting space ship back into the atmosphere, anything at CERN,
Nobody has claimed Whites invented every single thing. My claim is that Whites invented the modern developed world. Also, you say anything at CERN -- come on.
3) enslaving people, extracting their resources and destroying their ecosystem does not prove superior intellect.
True, but figuring out how nature itself works, curing countless diseases, mastering engineering that pushes the boundaries of physics and establishing the only liberal democracy that has ever existed or will ever exist does prove superior intellect.
My claim is that Whites invented the modern developed world.
No they didn’t or at least they didn’t do it alone. We had Johnson, mentioned above, and without her making it to the moon wouldn’t have happened. Nichelle Nichols was a great role model that even MLK Jr, who also contributed, praised. George Takei is a role model for the LGBT. Maya Angelou contributed to the modern world with her writing and teaching. Neil deGrasse Tyson has contributed as an astronomer and teacher. Let’s not forget President Obama and his wife. I’m sure there are others, but that is a start.
You can say those things of course, as you did, but if you want to be taken seriously and be considered coherent, then you shouldn’t say contradictory things like that.
Thank you for making an effort to clarify why you perceived inconsistencies in my what I have said. I see where you are coming from. It's easy to misunderstand each other in a back and forth conversation on the internet for two reasons. Firstly, people tend to talk to themselves instead of speaking carefully to other people. The only thing in common between discussants are the written words exchanged in the discussion. Meanings at one end may not be those at the other. It gets worse when the argument is adversarial. Secondly, different mindsets.
sadly, there is a lot of evidence that Europeans invaded, conquered, and took over various countries, so it’s difficult to prove other countries did the same. Europeans were in South Africa, India, Spaniards and Europeans conquered South America. That’s not to mention European countries and the U.S. still have territories in the Pacific and Atlantic- Easter Island (U.S. and Britain, maybe France too), Guam (U.S.), Virgin Island (U.S. and Britain), Puerto Rico (U.S.), and that’s not mentioning the Caribbean, which the various islands are a territory of either the U.S., Britain, France… While India and Africa maybe free of European occupation, the damage from Anglo-Saxon occupation has been done. South Africa might not fully recover from British Apartheid. Europeans viewed as Conquistadores may never change either. BTW, the dotard is so uneducated that he didn’t know Puerto Rico was part of the U.S. and that he needed to have funds sent to them after the hurricane to take care of their needs after a natural disaster. The dotard is, IMO, the most vile creature, but that’s another topic.
I wish, despite the history of Anglo-Saxons, I could prove you wrong that white people are not ignorant, but sadly, history shows Europeans, more often than not, invading other countries and taking over. About the only thing I have to prove that whites aren’t the only ones who are racists (and it really doesn’t count, because it’s more related to “Black on Black” crime than racism) is various African countries and tribes feuding with each other, kidnapping people from other tribes or country and selling them as slaves to the Europeans and the U.S. Eventually, African countries weren’t so powerful anymore. Then, albeit part of Africa, Egyptians did well throughout history, fell from greatness, and now they are fighting for the Nile (which the dotard supports taking it from them). That’s all I have. I can’t even think of anything the Native Americans did that could be considered racism, because the Europeans perpetually invaded them, even attempted to enslave them (which didn’t work very well), and even attempted genocide. Europeans and descendents in other areas seem to love genocide. I don’t even have anything concerning the Jews. Even in Israel and Palestine, the U.S. is meddling in their affairs giving one advantage over the other.
Here are some examples of non-European imperialism and successful invasions of other lands (including Europe):
You just justified despotism, that's all. There's a book by George Orwell about that. It's the same logic as a protection racket.
you say anything at CERN — come on.
Look at who is there. It's the most diverse set of scientists in history.
Nobody has claimed Whites invented every single thing. My claim is that Whites invented the modern developed world.
I don't know how you can claim one without the other. No one sat down and designed the "modern world". It happened because of the contributions from everyone.
thatoneguy said; My claim is that Whites invented the modern developed world
Would you say that the modern world rests on mathematics? I don't think mathematics was invented in Europe.
Before the modern age and the worldwide spread of knowledge, written examples of new mathematical developments have come to light only in a few locales. From 3000 BC the Mesopotamian states of Sumer, Akkad and Assyria, together with Ancient Egypt and Ebla began using arithmetic, algebra and geometry for purposes of taxation, commerce, trade and also in the field of astronomy and to formulate calendars and record time.
I don’t know how you can claim one without the other. No one sat down and designed the “modern world”. It happened because of the contributions from everyone.
Are you implying that just because the Chinese invented paper, whites have no legitimate claim to bringing about the Industrial Revolution and modernization of the world? This is the problem that the splicing and dicing protocol of the scientific method creates when people use it mindlessly.
@Mriana: We had Johnson, mentioned above, and without her making it to the moon wouldn’t have happened.
I wouldn't go that far. NASA is an effort of tens of thousands of mathematicians and engineers, a community of unsung American heroes. It's a literal bee hive of activity. One bee getting caught in a spider's web is sad but won't impact the hive. The heart breaking thing happened when the Apollo moon program was shut down. All those thousands of mathematicians and engineers lost their jobs and you had PhDs selling golf balls and used cars.
Are you implying that just because the Chinese invented paper, whites have no legitimate claim to bringing about the Industrial Revolution and modernization of the world?
I’m saying it’s because “whites” didn’t invent algebra, gunpowder or aqueducts, hell, they didn’t even invent hell or the one who saves them from hell, the one who supposedly brought them the “Protestant work ethic”. Slavery in America is directly related to the inventions of the early industrial revolution that were related to farming, and the cheap labor coming up from the south to man the new factories.
There simply is no place in history where you can eliminate everyone except Europeans and claim the world would have turned out just as it is now. You have been supplied with numerous examples of the contributions of the multiple cultures of the world throughout history, and you just keep waving your hands and exclaiming shock and surprise. Your major problem is not being able to separate accomplishments of people from the past and their effects, from ownership of stuff when you look at the present.
Here are some examples of non-European imperialism and successful invasions of other lands (including Europe):
Didn't you just prove my point with this? If "superiority" is about who can conquer whom, it seems the idea of empire is not a European invention, and something they have only very recently, looking from the full historical timeline perspective, been the winners. And given historical trends it seem unlikely things will remain as they are. And even with that, they aren't always the healthiest and smartest. They haven't even taken all the great places to live in the tropic zones.
But if you define superiority as those who respect cultural history, honor everyone who contributes, challenges old ideas like walled cities and barb wire on the borders, and doesn’t pre-judge based on where your grandparents were born, then I’d say pluralism wins.
@sree Johnson stood out and new her stuff. She was good as a computer… She was a brain so she is bound to stand out and she was willing to go the extra mile. She even told them she held the blacked out part to the light just so she could do her job. Of course, they used better stuff to block what they didn’t want others to see, but she was right, without that info, she couldn’t do the figures correctly and she was no dumb bunny. That and the astronaut specifically requested her because he trusted her math. She redid the calculations and made corrections where needed and he made it to the moon. Without her, it might not have happened and I stand by that.
IF you were to take her out of the equation, us making it to the moon might not have happened when it did. It may have happened later, if it ever happened at all. Removing her from the equation and shuffling people around messes with the possible outcomes. You can’t take credit away from her, even if it was a team effort.
Yellow Power! The decreased birthrate among Asians is a natural pruning process, that is the result of their superior previous growth. This is just another sign of their master race status.
That there exists a thread titled “Whites are superior”, is so pathetically ridiculous, that it is my duty to present the countervailing argument that “Yellows are superior”.
Who is good at math? Who won an Oscar for Best Picture? Who can build an entire hospital in a week to address the COVID-19 outbreak?
Whiteys, recognize your place in the natural order. Worship your little yellow masters.
@timb Besides keeping over 77000 people alive and not allowing them to die from the COVID-19 (although the death rate is better than Influenza), math, birth control, and building can you tell us why these things make Asian better than other groups of people? Keep in mind, they did not contain the virus 100% nor did they keep everyone alive nor did stop it in their country. The COVID-19 is still spreading and the only hope we have is that it has a 2-3% death rate if someone gets it. Technically, the stats are good that one can survive it better than they can the flu or even Ebola, despite not having a cure or vaccine for it yet.