What ideology would poison a people to beat up on their own kind? I have come across Brits who were ashamed of their imperial past and critical of Thacherites and Brexiteers. I get their rationale; but there is something sick about white Americans stomping on their own kind in defense of others.I suspect there's a big streak of self-loathing involved. Maybe a tendency to self-loathing that is probably genetic.
BTW, my Scottish ancestors were not considered white when they first came to the U.S. I don’t know what they were, but according to the people of the time, they were WASPs.????
Says you??? The facts speak for themselves. I notice you using the word, but never providing any. NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED in a combating let alone mitigating our impact on climate and biosphere. Christ you aren’t even cognizant what’s going on. Sounds like you are all FAUX NEWS playback.You clearly are not able to focus on this discussion of why Whites think they are superior without derailing into climate change.
The fact that “nothing of substance has been achieved” does not mean nobody is trying. Virtually all of the people trying to address and combat climate change are White.
NOAA is White.
NASA is White.
The scientific establishment is White
The alternative energy sector is White.
Nearly all Western world leaders acknowledge climate change.
On the flipside there are NO non-White versions of the above groups.
I was probably bashing white people before you were born and yes, people look at me and either see my Native ancestry mixed with white or they see a white person, still if people are wrong they are wrong. They were wrong to give Native Americans blankets filled with smallpox to commit genocide and wrong period to commit genocide against anyone that’s not of their complexion.It was wrong but modern Whites flagellating themselves isn't going to change the past.
What I’m trying to prove is that it’s been a big melting pot for a long time. How much of what whites have used to their ruthless means, have they stolen from others? Like I said before you are an excellent example of SLIVER VISION, it’s even worse than tunnel vision, which at least gets a little of bit of context.Why don't you give examples of things you think Whites "stole" from others.
@thatoneguy Sorry, I meant Irish, not Scottish. My bad, but yes, during the 19th Century, Irish people were not considered white. see When Irish Immigrants Weren't Considered 'White' | HowStuffWorks
Why don’t you give examples of things you think Whites “stole” from others.The Scramble for Africa would be more than a few, also land from indigenous people, jazz music, probably a few other things too. It’s a long list.
But then again it’s just the human race. White and black or whatever is horribly irrelevant, or at least it should be but it’s not. Human short sightedness is killing us but all people can think of are profits. There is no such thing as a superior race but try telling that to people these days. All I see in history is a certain human did X and “race” is not even a there.
Also I’m pretty sure the indigenous people that whites brutally enslaved and killed were quite happy without their attempts at “civilization”.
The Scramble for Africa would be more than a few, also land from indigenous people, jazz music, probably a few other things too. It’s a long list.This is about inventions, not land and natural resources. And Jazz -- I've never heard anyone claim Whites invented jazz.
Sorry, I meant Irish, not Scottish. My bad, but yes, during the 19th Century, Irish people were not considered white. see https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-events/when-irish-immigrants-werent-considered-white.htm https://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/generationemigration/2013/02/12/when-the-irish-became-white-immigrants-in-mid-19th-century-us/ https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754No. The Irish were always considered White in a racial-ethnic sense -- just undesirable trashy catholic Whites.
From your first link: Although Irish immigrants faced oppression in the United States, they also participated in it. African-Americans and Irish were considered by many Northern whites to be on equal footing, but many Irish immigrants quickly embraced "white" identities and became part of the social construct that oppressed African-Americans as an avenue to better employment, interweaving issues of classism and racism.Irish cleaned themselves up and became White because they were White underneath their peasant cloaks and catholic faith. When blacks tried to do that they were just seen as "Blacks acting White". That fact alone proves the Irish were seen ultimately as White despite being disliked.
No, if you read the various sources and do research on the subject, Irish were not considered white.
Why don’t you get off FOX News for a while and do a little homework of your own. It’s not like you ever pay attention to anything I share.
I’d play, but just don’t have the time these days. ( Although it does seem as though you have a very simplistic notion of innovation, invention and discovery and the cross breeding of ideas, our history book mythic fantastic inventions, turn out to compilation of other’s inventions with ingenious innovations coming from all over, with way richer ‘provenance’ that the history books have room for.
Same with groups of people, there is no pure strain of blood out there, were all mongrels to one degree or other.
What’s with that need for a sense of superiority guy? Okay, yeah, I know the Viking thing, bold manhood, voyages, rape, pillage and plunder and all that manly stuff I suppose? But, this is 2020.
All it would take is some good faith investigation, to learn about the great big, but shrinking constantly intermingling world, - but you are too busy being salesman to think or learn. That’s the modern disease more than any that’s going to condemn our future, big time faster than it needed to happen.
OH and there’s that part about whites leading the way to our own global self-cannibalization, politically, resource wise, and environmentally, you know biosphere destruction and manmade global warming driven climate changes, which are just starting to gear up. What about all that?
This is about inventions, not land and natural resources.The difficulty with history is finding a starting point. You are always left with the question of how things got to where they are, eventually getting to where we don’t know because there was no writing and not enough artifacts. But, of course it’s about resources (land), that’s the main reason for tribal wars and nations grew out of that.
Let’s start with Rome, who thought they were the best, even though they stole a bunch of philosophy from the Greeks, but they ended up with a lot of land before they crumbled under the weight of their own corruption and greed. White Christians took advantage of the lack of governance in the countryside and took over the schools and social programs and continued the ideology of expanding what they thought was the best culture. By the way, they didn’t misplace Aristotle’s writings, they didn’t want them. Luckily some people took them west.
A few centuries later, the expanding included conquering Muslims, who were doing basically the same thing across northern Africa. And when you conquer people, you get their stuff, and they had a lot of that Greek stuff, so the Roman descendants got back what their ancestors had thrown away, plus some Chinese stuff and more. And, since they had the schools, they taught everyone that it was theirs in the first place. This is why you think the way you do oneguy. It’s why you think whites invented everything, because white men think they invent everything, so they go around killing people and running the schools so more white men have all the advantages they had including being able to lie and get away with it. They can do that because some white men long ago were lucky enough to live where cows and pigs were and those animals are easily domesticated, giving them an advantage of easier access to protein.
This is 3,000 years of history in 3 paragraphs, so I’m obviously skipping a lot and generalizing. But I have facts to back this up, unlike you, who could just look up something like “stuff invented by Africans” and his facts would fall apart.
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Same with groups of people, there is no pure strain of blood out there, were all mongrels to one degree or other.
Exactly! We are all human beings.
This is about inventions, not land and natural resources. And Jazz — I’ve never heard anyone claim Whites invented jazz.which likely would not have happened without subjugating Africa and the native Americans
One of the best films of 1992 is a warning by a South American Indian tribe that people give up their self-destructive ways and honor the planet before it is too late.After four centuries of seclusion, the Kogi, descendants of a pre-Colombian civilization, asked BBC filmmaker Alan Ereira to visit their homeland in the Sierra Nevada mountains of northern Colombia. From the Heart of the World: The Elder Brothers’ Warning delivers their prophetic message to the world.
Seeing themselves as guardians of life on earth, the Kogi have a spiritual understanding of the bond between humankind and the natural world. This bond, they insist, must be honored.
They live in a mountainous area they call the heart of the world. They could see the changes to their environment and understood that those changes were part of something much larger.
@thatoneguy: I suspect there’s a big streak of self-loathing involved. Maybe a tendency to self-loathing that is probably genetic.Self-loathing, is a neurosis, a prejudice against self. People afflicted with this condition hide in a corner and hurt themselves. Whites attacking other whites for ideological reasons is something else. It is group psychosis, a form of crowd madness within the white race. The malady infects only a particular subgroup of white Americans.
Um… I don’t think you understand what racism is about. It’s not a psychosis if White Supremacists are attempting to lynch a member of one’s family, on that’s family’s property, just because the person is black or 1/2 black for not “staying in his place” and the person helping the rest of family stop these white supremacists is white. It’s called self defense. Sree, my sons are 1/2 black and if any white person were to attack my sons or even a member of their family on their father’s side or any of our friends for any reason, including stupid racism, we are going to defend our family like any other family. White Supremacist ideology is not mine and by law no person has to stand by allow the Klan or any white supremacist to beat or kill a family members or a friend on one’s property, even if some of that family is white. I really think you are confused on this matter. White Supremacist ideology is that they get to beat, harass, and even kill anyone who is even one drop black, yet you sit there and tell us you would fight back if they were trying to harm your black friend because he’s black? You wouldn’t help him defend himself because the Klan is white and their ideology allows them to do that? You wouldn’t call the police to help to save that person?
Oh and here’s another scenario for you: My great grandfather was a foreman and he hired black men. One day after work some white men, as the story was told to me, almost beat him to death for it, but the men who saved his life were the very men he hired- black men. One the black men was a good friend of my great grandfather too and his daughter became my mother’s friend. One day, Patsy and mother went into a restaurant after school for a coke. They served Patsy out of a paper cup and my mother a glass. My mother stood there and told the people of the establishment, “you serve my friend out of a paper cup, then you serve me out of one too.” Both girls got their paper cups and left. Of course when my grandfather heard about it he praised her for what she did, but then told her she shouldn’t go back to the place again though. You believe any of that is a psychosis?
When my older son was a baby and I walking him in a stroller to the convenience store, a white man got bent the my baby was 1/2 and called me a “N****r lover”. That was all he called me, but if had gotten violent with me, I would have had to defend myself and my baby, and run for help as fast as I could. You really think that is a psychosis to fight back, defend my baby and me, until I could run for help?
That’s what I’m talking about. It’s called human/civil rights. I’m not talking about harming people just because. I’m talking about I’m talking about self-defense, protecting family, friends, property, even those you don’t know. I’m talking about calling the police on those who would harm someone because they are black. That’s not a psychosis. That’s protecting people.
So, if white supremacist(s) were to jump one of my sons because they thought he didn’t “know his place” or because my son was with their daughter and they didn’t want a black man, even one who is 1/2, with their daughter and wanted to beat the crap out them, you bet I’m going to call the police and if possible help my son defend himself. I wouldn’t just stand there and let the White Supremacist(s) harm or kill my sons. That would be stupid, but if you see any that as a psychosis, you’re really confused.
@Mriana, I am not denying that there are some really mentally sick people out there hurting other people for one reason or another. They are mentally sick in your eyes and my eyes but not through the eyes of those sick people. Even the US is a nation of sick people in the eyes of those whom we hunt down and kill with our drone and missile strikes. How would you feel if you are celebrating your son’s wedding and your entire party is wiped out by a US drone attack? We humans live in a state of conflict since the beginning of time. Stomping on each other is not going to help the situation. It only makes things worse.
How would you feel if you are celebrating your son’s wedding and your entire party is wiped out by a US drone attack?
I more than likely wouldn’t be feeling anything because in that scenario, I’d be dead, given everyone in the entire party is wiped out for the drone attack.
That’s what I’ve been proposing- ending the violence and hatred, with humanistic views, such as Gene’s.
The difficulty with history is finding a starting point. You are always left with the question of how things got to where they are, eventually getting to where we don’t know because there was no writing and not enough artifacts. But, of course it’s about resources (land), that’s the main reason for tribal wars and nations grew out of that. Let’s start with Rome, who thought they were the best, even though they stole a bunch of philosophy from the Greeks, but they ended up with a lot of land before they crumbled under the weight of their own corruption and greed."Stealing philosophy from the Greeks" is bullshit. Romans sent their upper class youth to study under Greeks because they encountered them through trade and respected their intellect. However you seem to be overestimating the influence of Greek culture on Rome. Greek philosophy, art, architecture were very influential, but nothing else really was.
White Christians took advantage of the lack of governance in the countryside and took over the schools and social programs and continued the ideology of expanding what they thought was the best culture. By the way, they didn’t misplace Aristotle’s writings, they didn’t want them. Luckily some people took them west. A few centuries later, the expanding included conquering Muslims, who were doing basically the same thing across northern Africa. And when you conquer people, you get their stuff, and they had a lot of that Greek stuff, so the Roman descendants got back what their ancestors had thrown away, plus some Chinese stuff and more. And, since they had the schools, they taught everyone that it was theirs in the first place.Most of it was theirs in the first place!
This is why you think the way you do oneguy. It’s why you think whites invented everything, because white men think they invent everything, so they go around killing people and running the schools so more white men have all the advantages they had including being able to lie and get away with it. They can do that because some white men long ago were lucky enough to live where cows and pigs were and those animals are easily domesticated, giving them an advantage of easier access to protein.Total nonsense. I never said Whites invented everything, I said Whites created the modern world - which they absolutely did. Liberal Democracy, secularism, modern science are all 100% White inventions and they only exist in White countries.
Sucks you can’t deal with that.
But I have facts to back this up, unlike you, who could just look up something like “stuff invented by Africans” and his facts would fall apart.
If you’re talking about Sub-Saharan Africa, I have looked that up and they gave the world absolutely nothing substantial.