Whites are superior

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Thatoneguy said;This is probably accurate, but nothing to brag about. Other animals can also build simple tools. However only light skinned humans have ever built complex tools and built complex things with those tools.
Yes, because they needed to. Light skinned humans emerged along with migration into colder climates and the need to invent new survival techniques in new ecological systems. One example of dark skinned people developing sophisticated tools is at the soutern tip of Africa, where very ancient peoples settled along the coast and invented specialized tools for fishing and prying open shellfish. They became fishermen instead of forest dwellers who enjoyed an abundance of fruits, roots, nuts, just for the picking, and no need for sophisticated tools.
Primitive humans who inhabited the coast of South Africa 165,000 years ago and lived on a diet rich in shellfish could be the original ancestors of everyone alive today, a study suggests.

The people who lived in high caves at Pinnacle Point, overlooking the Indian Ocean near Mossel Bay, harvested and cooked mussels, used red pigment from ground rocks as a form of make-up and made tiny, bladed tools. Experts say they are very likely to be the ancestors of Homo sapiens, the anatomically modern human species which migrated across the world.


Coastal migration sounds very possible to me. Abundant sea food all along coasts fron south to north.

Pinnacle point

It is known that Homo sapiens evolved in Africa between 200,000 and 150,000 years ago but scientists are not sure where on the continent they first arose as a distinct species. The latest evidence points to the southern tip of Africa. Archaeologists working at Pinnacle Point identified stone tools and a red pigment used in ritualistic ceremonies which they believe could only have been used by humans showing "modern behaviour".
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/first-humans-lived-at-southern-tip-of-africa-5328709.html
We know skin color itself has no effect on intelligence or creativity, it’s just that peoples who evolved in the temperate part of the world developed those skills after they developed lighter skin.
People did not need dark pigment for protection of the sun in temperate parts of the world, what they did need is weapons to deal with new species of prey and predators. Light skin has nothing to do with intelligence. It is a result of adaption to temperate and colder climates. People do not think with their skin and only develop tools as needed for survival in specific ecosystems.
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Compare Baghdad History of Baghdad - Wikipedia or how Spain was flourishing around that time, or what was being invented in China to what was happening in Europe, aka, the dark ages. As well as the kingdoms in Africa 7 Influential African Empires - HISTORY. Basically oneguy, read something.

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Citizenschallenge-v.3: “So Bob, you actually believe that white’s are somehow superior?”

Please point out where I stated that “white’s are somehow superior”. You can’t, because I didn’t.

Anyway, since you obviously want an argument: Mama says superior is as superior does.

 

Citizenschallenge-v.3: "Do you have any appreciation for technology development and transfer … Or human migrations …?

Written language, the wheel, metallurgy, the screw, steam power, gun powder, geometry and math, the weaving loom, were developed where? Africa, North America, South America, Australia?

My guess is that human migration into areas which were already populated fostered the development of weapons of war. Migrations, such as the European invasion of the Americas, have always been fatal to the invaded.

 

Citizenschallenge-v.3: “Who are these whites that are so superior – can you offer any details beyond sweeping assertions?”

Please point out where I made “sweeping assertions” that “whites are superior”. You can’t, because I didn’t.

Your comments make it clear that you are not aware of the context of Obama’s remark. He was attempting to justify the government taking away businesses people have built, and the wealth earned from them, and declaring them public property because those businesses couldn’t have been built without the infrastructure in the country. Of course your life and mine wouldn’t be possible as they are today without that same infrastructure. This, as Lausten knows, is the standard communist assertion that everything must be seen as belonging to the collective. It is essentially the same as the theist view that everything belongs to God, except that the communist god is the collective.

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Please point out where I stated that “white’s are somehow superior”. You can’t, because I didn’t.

Anyway, since you obviously want an argument: Mama says superior is as superior does.


There you go again. So it certainly seems a fair question to ask you.

Please recall the first comment in this thread:

@Bob #322267

Lausten: “You think white people created all these things by themselves.”

Wow, shades of Obama: “you didn’t build that”.

Oh yes, I forgot all about the steel mills, glass factories, electricity generating plants and oil refineries the native peoples had before the European invasion. I’ve been think about starting a collection of 17th and 18th century native peoples’ texts on science and technology. Do you know of any collectors who might be willing to part with some?


Bob, do you understand the concept that “?” represents?

So Bob, you actually believe that white’s are somehow superior?

Who are these whites that are so superior – can you offer any details beyond sweeping assertions?


Okay, now I’ll get back to the rest of your comment.

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I actually could give a damned what Obama said, he’s kind of a loser in my eyes, the man has done way more disappointing that impressing.

I was interested in your interpretation and get the simpleton version. It wouldn’t have been more interesting to hear what you really think.

My guess is that human migration into areas which were already populated fostered the development of weapons of war. Migrations, such as the European invasion of the Americas, have always been fatal to the invaded.
Sounds like you've filtered out an awful lot to arrive at your assertion. Tunnel vision, unidirectional skepticism, and mucho blah blah.

So since you care to over simplify things, here are some oversimplified

Superior at stealing inventions and knowledge, then using it for power lust and conquest and subjugation.

Whites are so superior, we are destroying this planet right from under ourselves.

White’s masters of science and self-cannibalization.

 

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the guy@ You must be joking because Whites are by far the most active in trying to alert the world about climate change, and the most active in fighting it.
Sonny, you must be kidding? Talk about "sliver vision" I've been watching the circus for a half century now. What about all whites have done to insure today's collective ignorance and denial?

Whites were the ones doing all the fraudulent evidence fabricating and then the normalizing of nonsense and acceptance utter ‘physical reality’ disconnected lies as Articles of Faith.

Whites are the ones that have stifled action for a half century and made sure that in another half century, our society’s collapse will be old forgotten history - because if anyone is still around they are going to be too busy struggling for basic survival, to worry about how they got there. Some legacy of superiority. Superior greed and avarice

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Sonny, you must be kidding? Talk about “sliver vision” I’ve been watching the circus for a half century now. What about all whites have done to insure today’s collective ignorance and denial? Whites were the ones doing all the fraudulent evidence fabricating and then the normalizing of nonsense and acceptance utter ‘physical reality’ disconnected lies as Articles of Faith. Whites are the ones that have stifled action for a half century and made sure that in another half century, our society’s collapse will be old forgotten history – because if anyone is still around they are going to be too busy struggling for basic survival, to worry about how they got there. Some legacy of superiority. Superior greed and avarice.
The fact that some Whites are dishonest about climate change does not mean most Whites are. It definitely doesn't counter my point that all of the scientific and non-scientific organizations studying and fighting climate change and climate change denial were created by Whites and are currently staffed entirely by Whites.

Without Whites, there simply isn’t any climate change movement at all.

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Compare Baghdad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Baghdad#Center_of_learning_(8th_to_9th_centuries) or how Spain was flourishing around that time, or what was being invented in China to what was happening in Europe, aka, the dark ages. As well as the kingdoms in Africa https://www.history.com/news/7-influential-african-empires. Basically oneguy, read something.
What are you trying to prove here, that Europe has not been on top forever? Anybody who studies history knows that.

Maybe you don’t know that the Islamic Golden Age didn’t produce much of its own – they mainly tweaked thing that already existed – but its biggest contribution was to reintroduce knowledge from Classical Europe that was forgotten in the dark ages into Spain.

Chinese technological inventions are also well known to history, but China contributed nothing at all in politics or philosophy that influenced the modern world.

As for African empires, none except for Carthage and Egypt had an effect on world history.

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Yes, because they needed to. Light skinned humans emerged along with migration into colder climates and the need to invent new survival techniques in new ecological systems.
It's not the cold that led to light skin adaptation, it's the lower UV radiation. But yes, they needed to and that led to increasing complexity which led to the modern world. Tropical people didn't encounter these evolutionary pressures.
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When did this whites bashing began? Some say that it started with Obama. I can understand blacks bashing whites not that I agree with the justifications. What I don’t understand is whites bashing whites. It smacks of the kind of treasonous behavior exemplified by Jane Fonda back in the days of Vietnam.
Its been around as long as I can remember. Whites are more ideological and less tribal than other groups, and northwestern Europeans are the least tribal of all, so it's not that surprising.

And of course most White Americans are descended from Northwest Europeans.

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The fact that some Whites are dishonest about climate change does not mean most Whites are.
Says you??? The facts speak for themselves. I notice you using the word, but never providing any.

NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED in a combating let alone mitigating our impact on climate and biosphere.

Christ you aren’t even cognizant what’s going on. Sounds like you are all FAUX NEWS playback.

What are you trying to prove here, that Europe has not been on top forever? Anybody who studies history knows that.
"forever" you are like talking to a kindergartener when you want to be.

What I’m trying to prove is that it’s been a big melting pot for a long time. How much of what whites have used to their ruthless means, have they stolen from others? Like I said before you are an excellent example of SLIVER VISION, it’s even worse than tunnel vision, which at least gets a little of bit of context.

Weirdly from other things you’ve said, I imagine if we met on a job site we’d a gotten along just fine. Interesting how bigotry and mob mentality (and hiding in a virtual reality mob) can send human dynamics straight into the shit-hole.

Whites are more ideological and less tribal than other groups
That's ludicrous, you just have to look at the trump messiah monstrosity going down, the Republican turning into totalitarians and the Democrats folding like a bunch of boiled noodles.

You’re making it up as you go along.

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Hell look at the football world.

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Oh and then there’s this keeping the industrialist and war profiteers happy. But is that really capitalism, or something else.

Whatever we call it, it’s a horror.

Civilian Deaths in U.S. Wars Are Skyrocketing Under Trump. It May Not Be Impeachable, but It’s a Crime.

Murtaza Hussain, October 2 2019

Since his emergence as a political figure, Trump has promised that if he ever attained power, he would use the U.S. military to inflict a massive bloodletting on others, including noncombatants. Unlike other campaign promises, Trump has delivered on this one. Since taking office, he has presided over skyrocketing rates of civilian casualties in America’s many foreign conflicts. Beneath the hue and cry of the impeachment announcement, more people are dying in wars that are being waged as Trump promised, with more brutality than ever.


 

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians
We never seem to care about others. Why is that superior? and what can that get us but ever compounding horrors and destruction. You really think it won't catch up to us? And it's all treated so glibly, ridicule, deny, normalize. The reckoning keeps getting closer and all we do is pour more gas on it. :-(
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It is amazing how many people forget the choices they were offered before they were born. I watched all the videos and chose to be born in the South part of the USA because I thought the stock car racing would be fun. I almost chose being female but that would have made becoming a race car driver much less likely. Same for being black or Latino. I had to settle for ancestry from both to get my preferences for soul food and Spanish music. I and all the other pre-borns were told we wouldn’t get a do-over, but very few really understood the consequences of our choices. If I could speak to any future people I’m not so sure I could give them any better advice than to just take the next available birth and try to do something worthwhile and enjoy life while you have it. It will be over before you know it.

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So Bob, what is this bit nothing supposed to mean? Actually childish and schizophrenia might be the accurate description.

What about all the people you folks love to hate and fear so much, don’t you think they could say the same thing. They didn’t ask to be born a curious off white color, they were just trying to survive, they didn’t ask for USA’s economic piracy and bombs to upend their worlds, they didn’t ask to be driven out their countries born.

But on your side it seems as though all your compassion is used up on feeling sorry for yourselves and blaming others for America’s disastrous foreign policies, economic and political fallout. And now we’re becoming indistinguishable for Putin’s despotism and you’re saying rah rah.

What about that grand message that our Statue of Liberty has been proclaiming to the world for well over a century - who gave you Sliver Visioned Xenophobes (who despise constructive fact based, good faith debates) the right to claim it’s all bullshit and we’re supposed to put a wall around our newly fearful, petty, ME FIRST America?

 

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@citizenschallengev3 don’t forget @Bob has also made assertions that we should accept White Supremacist groups too, because if we don’t we’re a cult. ROFL. I agree with you, CitizenChallenge that Bob believes whites are superior just on his various statements made on the forum and his accusations that we are a cult for not accepting White Supremacist groups. Otherwise he wouldn’t be making ignorant statements about why we should accept and respect what they do to others they consider to be less as good as them.

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@Sree I was probably bashing white people before you were born and yes, people look at me and either see my Native ancestry mixed with white or they see a white person, still if people are wrong they are wrong. They were wrong to give Native Americans blankets filled with smallpox to commit genocide and wrong period to commit genocide against anyone that’s not of their complexion.

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@Sree I was probably bashing white people before you were born and yes, people look at me and either see my Native ancestry mixed with white or they see a white person, still if people are wrong they are wrong. They were wrong to give Native Americans blankets filled with smallpox to commit genocide and wrong period to commit genocide against anyone that’s not of their complexion.
White folks suffer too, Mriana; and they did, at the hands of other people. For some reason, people just can’t get along.

America was a vast land with so few people back in those days; and yet, they were regarded as intruders and slaughtered.

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thatoneguy: Its been around as long as I can remember. Whites are more ideological and less tribal than other groups, and northwestern Europeans are the least tribal of all, so it’s not that surprising.

And of course most White Americans are descended from Northwest Europeans.


What ideology would poison a people to beat up on their own kind? I have come across Brits who were ashamed of their imperial past and critical of Thacherites and Brexiteers. I get their rationale; but there is something sick about white Americans stomping on their own kind in defense of others.

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@Sree that’s not what I bash them about. I rant about the history concerning what they’ve done- like almost genocide not one, but at least two groups of people- the Native Americans and the Jews. For all we know it was Europeans, most likely the Romans or maybe those who held the heathen hammer high (Norse), who destroyed some of my ancestors called the Picts, but that’s OK they are still in my genetic tree. So yes, they were assimilated and their history, as well as language and vast kingdom, is for all intents purposes gone. I also rant about their ongoing racism too.

Ooooo! I guess Blue blood does run deep in my veins as my grandfather said. Thanks for mentioning that (Prescot and Pilgrims in my ancestry and both came here from the the U.K.). I think it is rightly so for Brits to be ashamed of their past and there isn’t a thing sick about. If we aren’t ashamed of a past or angry about it, we can’t change anything. I don’t know why you think it’s sick when it being angry about the truth is a good thing. We should never destroy another’s culture and force them to assimilate into ours as though it were better, because it’s not better. BTW, if I’d accept the offer I could also be a DAR, but I don’t like their ways so I try to steer clear of them. I have a vast history in my ancestry and I am ashamed what some of my ancestors did to my other ancestors- be it to the Native Americans or the brother against brother in the Civil War. I had both Abolitionists and slave owners, as well as Civil Rights activist. I’m more proud of the Abolitionists, those who married Natives who jumped off the Trail of Tears, and those involved with Civil Rights. I’m not proud of those who enslaved and/or killed others. There’s not a thing wrong or sick about that, especially when your family tree goes back to the start of this country and farther back in time.

BTW, my Scottish ancestors were not considered white when they first came to the U.S. I don’t know what they were, but according to the people of the time, they were WASPs. So don’t tell me what my own kind is when I know my ancestry. My kind is a lot of different ethnic backgrounds and if one does wrong, I will call them out- including that orange critter (whose family allegedly came from Ireland or Scotland) in the Big House, who’s destroying this country. I will also defend my sons, who are 1/2 black, if a white person spews racism. My sons are my kind, including their 1/2 black part and I will stand up for black people, Native Americans, etc because they are my kind. I will stand up for anyone who is being oppressed or discriminated against, because they are my kind… HUMAN! If I can help it, I won’t let another human mistreat another human for any reason- I’ll call them out or call the police or whatever I need to do to stop it, even if their skin complexion matches mine. Just because their complexion matches mine doesn’t mean they are my own kind. I’ll still rant against them or call them out if they are mistreating other humans of any complexion.