I don’t think much of the West, we’ve been greedy stupid pigs, but Russia is even more insane and vicious why do you seem to have no problem with them?
That’s not a world leader’s behavior, it’s an outta control hateful maniac.
Yes. I understand that the Ukranians are devastating the civilians and the land that Russia is taking over.
Here is some to study directly from the horses mouth in order to falsify your own accusation above here:
But you see I am not a Russian, nor am I a Ukranian. I am here in my homeland, and I see the large part that my government’s foreign policy is playing so far away from me. I see that the Russians are being straightforward and coherent, while my country seems to do nothing but lie and supply weapons. Any semblance of integrity that you thought the U.$. had has been whittled down to chips on the ground now. It’s gone completely. The stack of lies has risen so high now that picking through them requires a safety harness and special training just to get started. So I reccommend you focus on just one critical detail and research it far more carefully than the MSM allows for. You must understand by now that all MSM sources are trash. Every one of them tows the deep state line. If you seek the truth, and I’d like to think that here at the ‘center for inquiry’ that this idea is universally felt, then the methods used will ultimately lead us toward enlightenment rather than lost under a pile of vicious lies. We are fairly well swamped in them now, and again I stress this need to work one step at a time. Best of all though, upon finding some truth tellers we can ride their backs for a while. If you’ve bought into the new McCartheistic era I suppose you probably don’t really want to have such a discussion. The thing is we are no longer post world war two. That was a century ago. As to who is the new evil country on the world block; as to who flexes their military muscle the most; twists arms to get what it wants; Mearsheimer calls it Godzilla. It won’t be long and Godzilla will be fighting with a broken leg. Can’t wait to see what that looks like. It seems to have an awful lot of crud in its eyes right now.
Amazing, you are actually admitting that Russia is “taking over” Ukrainian lands and killing Ukrainians and destroying their power grid, schools, hospitals in Kyiv, Ukraine’s Capitol?
Are you claiming this is Ukraine comitting suicide? Ukraine is the bad player in your scenario? Are you out of your mind?
Putin is the knight in shining armor coming to save all those poor Ukrainians being killed by their own government?
You want to see what the US does with their money when they are not forced to help peaceful countries against invasion by “bad actors”? Have you gone mad?
much more… FA.gov
Show me what Russia does to help poor countries. Why is all of Europe scared of Putin? Is it because Putin is “nice guy”? Or is he a stone cold killer who will stop at nothing to get what he wants?
Get real!
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I call it Russia… 
Touch of reality
Hi Write4U. Can you comment on this article, in particular the futility of ukraine fighting the russians with this touch of reality delivered by head of NATO to the people of Ukraine
“We will be in a position to extend an invitation to Ukraine to join the Alliance when Allies agree and conditions are met … [however] unless Ukraine wins this war, there’s no membership issue to be discussed at all”* – Jens Stoltenberg’s statement at Vilnius. Thus, after urging Kiev to throw more (hundreds of thousands) of its men into the jaws of death to justify NATO membership, the latter turns its back on its protégé. It was, after all, an unwinnable war from the beginning.”
Actually, Agee is not an actor, and he is dead as well in 2008 in Cuba.
Interesting mention about the truckers’ union mention about a minute in from where I’ve started you at.
When the trucks stop… seize their bank accounts?
And actually it looks like Stockwell may still be alive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPTb05vlEZs&t=23m40s
Let’s unpack this:
Zelenskyy accepts Ukraine cannot become a NATO member until the war ends
June 3, 20237:59 AM ET
Heard on Weekend Edition Saturday
SCOTT SIMON, HOST:
“Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is giving up hopes of having his country join NATO anytime soon. After months of urging that NATO’s members admit Ukraine, he acknowledged yesterday it would be, quote, “impossible” for that to happen before the war with Russia ended. We’re joined now by John Deni, research professor at the U.S. Army War College and a nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. Professor Deni, thanks for being with us.”
JOHN DENI: {“My pleasure, Scott”
more…
Zelenskyy accepts Ukraine cannot become a NATO member until the war ends : NPR.
You have a complete misunderstanding of the “reality” and it has nothing to do with an “unwinnable war”. Actually, that is what Putin is faced with.
If NATO accepted Ukraine’s membership before the war is over, NATO would immediately be obligated to declare war on Russia. That is the strength of NATO. All members are covered by a mutual defense treaty, including newbies.
This is why Ukraine must win this war and join NATO, then they will be safe from Russia.
Conquering a part of a country is doable, but occupying and keeping an entire country is the long-term problem that Soviet Russia has already faced once. and lost.
For Ukraine this is life or death. They have no option but win.
It is Russia that cannot win this war and does have the option to stop its aggression.
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With conditions and when allies agree… is code for no guarantee. Zel was furious at the west with this non commitment at the NATO summit as he realises he has been sold a pup
You go on about Ukraine winnable war when the article points out this is exactly what is meant by western hubris when we look at is actually happening in Ukraine
“But military facts on the ground have exposed the western doctrine as hubris – with Ukrainian forces decimated, and its NATO weaponry lying in smoking ruins. It was NATO that insisted on re-enacting the Battle of 73 Easting (from the Iraqi desert, but now translated into Ukraine)”
This war was supposed to be over in a week. It’s been a longggggggggg week.
With all those NATO weapons ? The HIMARS, storm shadow missiles, patriot missiles, Javelins, bradley and leopard tanks have not been the game changer as the western media was shoving down our throats throughout the war
I see, and the Russians are using muskets.
Let me remind you that no Ukrainian missile has hit a Russian target in Russia.
All the damage you see in Ukraine is “made in Russia”, You must be very bad at geography.
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Actually I agree with Zelinski. He applied for NATO membership long before Russia invaded Ukraine.
There was some opposition from a few countries but those have been resolved. It seems to me that NATO could set a deadline for acceptance of Ukraine . If Russia has not withdrawn by that time NATO would enroll Ukraine and get boots on the ground. That would end the war in a few days.
After all, this is precisely why Ukraine applied for membership in NATO. If Ukraine had been accepted sooner, Russia would never have dared invade Ukraine. That situation has now come to pass and NATO should appreciate Ukraine’s desire to join and strengthen the alliance. NATO could set a deadline and give Russia plenty time to withdraw and perhaps even negotiate a favorable peace.
What’s left of Ukraine after all this will have to accept neutral status. Having failed to weaken Russia, NATO is likely to abandon Ukraine. What is left will be picked over by western capitalists.
Fortunately, the west is not serious about letting Ukraine join NATO. If it were, the Russians might be tempted to take all of Ukraine. No Ukraine, no NATO membership.
They wouldn’t want to do that. Occupying a hostile western Ukraine wouldn’t be worth the candle
My! You have a fatalistic view.
How do you know they aren’t serious?
Hostile? It’s Russia that’s hostile, because they started this mess. I’d say it’s Russia that’s hostile and it has always been.
Here is a pretty good context from McGovern:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgfrk48Gv1A
Would you say that the Minsk accords were a hostile action?
Would you say that the West have superior diplomatic skills?
Oh, and then there is a concept of credibility.
This last has been spent down pretty deeply now.
It makes me wonder if the Ukraine conflict could be extended into more European election cycles.
As Russia wins the information war possibly Europe will work free of Godzilla’s grip.
In effect Ukraine is the meat in a sandwich for Godzilla.
You see the bread to either side?
He doesn’t need 9 minutes to present his facts. I’ve read all of them in MSM, so his comments about them not being out there is a lie. He spends over half the time saying things like, “Russia is being diddled”. Honestly, I think this guy is a parody, it’s the way he consistently mispronounces Russia names. It’s cute. He’s broadcasting that he doesn’t listen to anyone but himself.
I’ll do a breakdown of his evidence later. I’m busy. But try it yourself. Take the facts, like the 2014 coup, or the 1954 decision, lay those out, then see if you can make them come to his conclusions. Is he leaving something out? Then add that in. I’ll do the same, and we can compare notes.
I have to concede that I get annoyed listening to Ray McGovern ham it up every chance he gets. But beneath that layer you are dealing with a vary capable analyst. If you have a falisification of some detail that he has discussed then bring it on. Other than that, your criticism is mere emotion.
A quick dig on Crimea: " In 1921 the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was created as part of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.[24] It was occupied by Germany from 1942 to 1944 during the Second World War. After the Soviets regained control in 1944, they deported the Crimean Tartars and several other nationalities to elsewhere in the USSR. The autonomous republic was dissolved in 1945, and Crimea became an oblast of the Russian SFSR. It was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954, on the 300th anniversary of the Treaty of Pereyaslav." - Crimea - Wikipedia
As far as I can tell that is consistent with McGovern. Not that I treat wikipedia as gospel, and if I did that it wouldn’t mean much either, but sometimes straightforward basic facts get bent in the transfer. I don’t need to become an expert in Crimea nor in novichok. As a whistleblower Ray McGovern is a hero who I believe pursues the truth. Enjoying MSM heroes is a thing too; all paid for and complicit; as they get exposed they’re worn down. Of course a few do exit now and then, and we get the inside story. Could you imagine if Rachel Maddow defected? We’ll have another tuckered insider soon. You have to understand that the disgust that we feel on the outside of the system is pale in comparison to the realizations of the insiders.
He bases his analysis as an insider who has seen what was going on and had first hand access to information when he was an analyst and has stated in the video i posted that he relies on many people one being scott ritter to assist in understanding battlefield strategy and outcomes
It would be extremely difficult and ugly for Russia if they decided to occupy western Ukraine