Yes, I know I misspelled it. Was anyone else watching NBC News when el Presidento came on?

The time slot was unusual, and we all knew what he would say. He was reading from his notes, which I’m sure he was begged to do by his handlers. A few minutes into it, Lester Holt broke in and said, “I just gotta do this, he’s said several things that are not true.” Not an exact quote, but I have never seen that, or anything close, except maybe on the Daily Show, and that’s not live. He brought in Chuck Todd, then a few more experts. They repeated Biden’s comments from earlier today that we just need to be patient. Even in our worst hours, that’s what we would expect from any leader. I’m expecting his breakdown to continue.

not near fast enough

Unpresidented, more like downright criminal and treasonous!


Top national-security officials are preparing for the president of the United States to refuse to listen to the election results, even when they are officially declared.

Erin Banco National Security Reporter
Adam Rawnsley
Updated Nov. 06, 2020 5:54AM ET / Published Nov. 05, 2020 10:41PM ET

Even members of President Donald Trump’s own national security team are worried about the misleading information he’s pushing about the vote count. And they’re increasingly concerned that the president will not respect the final results.

Top national security officials say they have spent the days since the election tracking disinformation about the vote count, including Team Trump’s efforts to erode trust in the ballot tallying and reporting process. Despite working with the big social media companies to flag some of those falsities, officials say there is little they can do to prevent the president’s team from propagating disinformation in public—from Twitter to nationally televised press conferences. With increasingly flagrant efforts by Trump to cast doubt on the vote tallies, officials are preparing for how to handle a situation in which the race is officially called for Joe Biden—and Trump refuses to concede.

He’s already insisted multiple times that he’s the real winner of the election, and that many of Biden’s ballots are “illegal.” The consequences of such behavior will increase exponentially if Trump disputes the official result, officials say.

One senior official said they are “clear-eyed” about that possibility. “Based on what we saw today on Twitter and elsewhere… there’s a chance that things get even worse and we have to be prepared,” that official said …




All the President’s Lies About the Coronavirus An unfinished compendium of Trump’s overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency


President Donald Trump has repeatedly lied about the coronavirus pandemic and the country’s preparation for this once-in-a-generation crisis.

Here, a collection of the biggest lies he’s told as the nation endures a public-health and economic calamity. This post will be updated as needed.

www - theatlantic - com/politics/archive/2020/11/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/



It was an almost exact mirror of his speech on Wednesday morning. They broke that one off too and went back on camera, that first time looking confused that a president would have a meltdown on camera like that. This time he was reading from his “list of bitches about imaginary things” and it was longer, but otherwise they were essentially mirror images, right down to the fact that they were announced RIGHT after Biden spoke. I think he would literally announce an upcoming appearance if Biden made an appearance and said only, “We haven’t seen Trump have a meltdown in a couple of hours, so I thought I’d come out here, say hey, and get one coming. No questions. Thank you.”

The unprecedented action is by the media and it’s too long in coming. Watching the Today show this morning, they are ramping up the fact checking and speaking right to his un presidential rhetoric. They are treating him like he is already out of the office. They should have been doing this from the start. They were afraid of creating backlash, but they got backlash anyway, so I think their conciliatory strategy has been proven wrong.

The right is never going to stop bitching and whining that any unfavorable coverage, even covering a story they don’t want to hear, regardless how newsworthy it is, is unfair. They’ve been claiming that the media was a left-wing conspiracy (it used to be a Jew-run conspiracy, but that argument isn’t kosher any more, if you’ll forgive the pun) for as long as I can remember and they’re never going to stop. The media has gone out of their way to show that they are not biased and they’ve done that by actually cutting Trump WAY too much slack and not calling out all of his many, many lies. They’ve done that by not covering actual news involving Trump as aggressively as they would have and continue to do for any given Democrat. As long as that continues then a small group of dishonest whiners are actually accomplishing what they set out to do, to silence, not critics, but impartial reporting.

They’re going to bitch and whine that it’s unfair and rigged regardless. The right would have “alternative facts” replace actual facts every single time. The right would like the media to pretend that the Hunter Biden story is a real, credible story relevant to Joe Biden, but that Trump using taxpayer dollars to coerce a foreign government to interfere in our elections is no big deal. And they will bitch and whine about ANY unfavorable coverage and ALL refuse to engage in wild, unfounded speculation which is favorable. If the media “tones down” coverage while still trying to be “fair” they’re actually being unfair and biased toward the right, which is what those right-wing whiners want in the first place. And it STILL won’t be enough to shut them up. There’s a HUGE blowback against Fox every time they try out that “integrity” thing and report actual news. If it’s not all right all the time, they’re going to bitch and whine. So screw them. The media needs to do what they do without succumbing to the pressure of a bunch of whiny little bitches.

I know there are some who contribute to this forum who voted for Donald Trump. I would like to pose a simple question as to why they did.

Given the stated intention by Trump to discontinue the social security payroll tax that presently funds Social Security and he’s made this statement more than once, why would anyone who either knows someone collecting Social Security or hopes to receive this benefit for themselves in the future cast their vote for someone who intends (had he won) to end the funding stream that supports this vitally needed program?

Are Trump supporters also in favor of abolishing the minimum wage, thereby lowering their own income? Are Trump supporters in favor of bringing back slavery and indentured servitude?

I don’t expect a coherent answer from any who voted for Trump. His supporters are consistently high in anger and vitriol and persistently low in logic and intelligence, and yet one might think they’d show a preference for their own economic well-being in opposing any candidate who openly stated their intention to undermine our national social security retirement program.

What exactly is it that motivates a Trump voter? Is it solely the hatred they feel for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama? If it is, what a pathetic impetus to cast your vote for a man whose disgraceful attempts to undermine our democracy. Casting doubt on our elections is the quickest and surest way to erode confidence in our national politics and those who participate in this cynical effort show no love for America or its political traditions.

I ask again will any Trump supporter offer a logically defensible reason for their vote for Donald Trump?

I again thank the Center For Inquiry for maintaining this First Amendment platform of free speech. Michael Mckinney

I’m happy to report, Trump has been un-presidented


Election 2020 Live Updates: Joseph R. Biden Jr. Has Won the Presidency

By Katie Glueck

Joseph R. Biden Jr. surpasses 270 electoral votes, becoming president-elect of the United States.
WILMINGTON, Del. — Joseph R. Biden Jr. has been elected president of the United States, defeating President Trump by promising to restore civility and stability to American politics and vowing more aggressively to combat the surging coronavirus pandemic.

Mr. Biden, 77, on Jan. 20 will become the 46th president and the oldest man ever sworn into the office. On Saturday, three days after Election Day, he secured the requisite 270 votes from the Electoral College.

The election, far closer than many experts had predicted, was history-making: Mr. Biden’s running mate, Senator Kamala Harris of California, is the first woman, and the first woman of color, on a winning presidential ticket.

WE ask again will any Trump supporter offer a logically defensible reason for their vote for Donald Trump?



Trump has told people he has no plans to concede even if his path to victory is blocked

By Kevin Liptak and Kaitlan Collins, CNN - Updated 7:25 PM ET, Friday, November 6, 2020

Joe Biden will be the 46th US president after a victory in Pennsylvania

(CNN) Facing a disappearing pathway to victory, President Donald Trump offered little indication on Friday he was prepared to concede defeat, leading those around him to wonder who might be able to reckon with a leader who has given virtually no thought to leaving the White House.

Even as vote totals now show him trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in key battlegrounds, Trump has not prepared a concession speech and in conversations with allies in recent days has said he has no intention of conceding the election, people familiar with the matter said.

So far he has been bolstered in his stance by those closest to him, including his senior advisers and his adult sons, who have mounted an aggressive effort in the courts to challenge the results and have pressured other Republicans into defending him.

Top aides, including his chief of staff Mark Meadows, have not attempted to come to terms with the President about the reality of what is happening. Instead, they have fed his baseless claim that the election is being stolen from underneath him. That has led to some annoyance among staff, who believe Meadows is feeding the President’s baseless claim that the election is illegitimate.


We shall see what the big baby actually does.


I’ll admit that I’m pleasantly surprised that gun toting trump devotes, kept their powder dry. Either they are a bit smarter and more civil than I’ve been giving them credit for, or they are the same blowhards that washed-up liberals have turned into.

Of course, January is a long ways away, but I’m guardedly optimistic. It’s a nice sensation, I like it. While it lasts.

Now if Honesty and a Will-to-Learn could get a handhold on people imaginations, perhaps . . . . . . .

I ask again will any Trump supporter offer a logically defensible reason for their vote for Donald Trump?
I don't think they will. I think most Trump voters are like most voters, after they vote, they forget about it. Most of them can't name the Vice President. I'm not exaggerating. It's only 20 or 30 million who are really engaged in the system, and change their votes for reasons, and can say something other than "yeah, um, you know, the economics." What are they thinking? A good chunk of them are the extremists, and you can't not hear them. Whether BLM or NRA, these are the issues the rest of try to sort and out. That leaves just a few reasonable voices, the ones who write books, lead community events, organize letter writing campaigns. If you're lucky, you know one and could get some answers.

But that would be you also Lausten as you dont follow politics

I’m celebrating Biden-Harris win. :smiley: It’s going to be a bright new day when Biden is inaugurated January 20 even if we have to drag the dotard out in chains and throw him in prison.

It’s hard to imagine Trump showing up to the ceremony. It could be a split screen, like Reagan and the hostage release, except with Trump getting cuffed.

Yes, Mriana, even Mr.Gumpy over here is feeling pretty good today. :slight_smile:

As much as Biden’s election, is that the trump crowd apparently aren’t as unhinged and sociopathic as their dear leader is.

So far no really ugly incidents that I know of.

Now Democrats have to figure out how talk to them, why not a little bit of face to face, heart to hearts.

If we aren’t changing minds, we’ll keep on losing.


But this evening, here’s a toast to hope and enjoy the moment.

It’s hard to imagine Trump showing up to the ceremony.
That would be perfect. I love it. He should stay home and hide. He's never been a genuine American anyways. Nor did he ever fulfill his oath of office.

Morally speaking, there’s no reason for him to even be invited - the Trump is a traitor to his nation, why honor him in anyway?

Besides, justice and court dates and jail time for crimes he committed, that is.

Anyone remember seeing a photo of Truman holding a newspaper with the headline “Dewey Defeats Truman”?

Neither the press, nor the media, determines the winner.

It ain’t over till its over.

Bob hates democracy

Bob hates democracy
The reason we have representatives doing the governing for us is that our founders recognized that we are not fit to govern ourselves. True then, true today. In a democracy, children vote ice cream for supper and easily led people who have been convinced they are victims vote for free lunches, free health care, free education, free housing, free food, free transportation, free everything and the freedom to not have to work or pay for any of it. Socialism, aka lite communism, doesn't work; never has, never will. You are right; given a choice I want the few smart people among us to govern, not the overwhelming number of dummies we're burdened with.

So Anton, are you OK with the obvious fraud in Penn and the rush by the media to anoint Biden before all the votes are counted?

I am definitely not OK with the supposed new administration’s favoring allowing people like Charles Manson to vote and the other silliness proposed. Do you think anyone who voted for Biden knows that there is no way we could build enough electric vehicles to replace the 360 million gas and diesel cars and trucks we have in thirty years? Do you recognize that we would need something on the order of 100 new nuke power plants to produce the electricity needed for that? Do you understand that we have not discovered enough lithium in the entire world to make all the batteries that would be required? Do you understand that if Biden listens to science they will tell him there is no way to control the impact humans have on the climate other than reducing the number of humans? No, you and the dummies that voted for him probably don’t know any of it. No, I am not OK with dummies voting for dumber ideas or an administration led by dumb and dumber. I feel better now :slight_smile:

Bob - give me a break. You are showing your true reactionary colours