Trump and Israel

What about “existential” don’t you understand. For Jews, 6 million dead by gas chambers is a convincing argument that international law means jack when it comes to genocide.

I thought that (political and social issues) forums were specifically designed to discuss these things.

I am not advocating for anything. I have no stake in international politics. I am merely an interested observer.

p.s. Have you been in a war? I have.
I lived in Amsterdam when it was bombed (my school was destroyed) and saw our family doctor killed by a german soldier, across the street from where I lived.
Please Don’t lecture me about war!

Whatever it takes to end this. I fully support israels action. No one is innocent as all are combatants old men women and children as the saying goes if you lie down with dogs (hamas) you will get up with fleas

I know what the word means. What’s the question?

Nazi we’re fought by most of the world. Then tried on international Court. What more can we do?

Isn’t that what we are doing?

Your opinion is quite clear. I don’t know what line you want to draw with “advocate”.

More terms undefined. I’m not lecturing. In this post you said we should discuss.

Exactly, all that justice was administered AFTER 6 million dead Jews.

Today, Israel is showing the world that they will “never forget” and this time they will not be herded in mass graves anymore.
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Israel has made it clear that this time : You attack Israel at your peril.

Courts don’t stop criminals. We would have to have a complete police state with thoughts being punished. Wars are prevented when goverments treat people as free and cared for and respected. I’m not sure Netanyahu fits that description.

Right ! But fear does!!

Netanyahu did not start this. Hamas did. Hamas fits the description, and dragged all of Palestine into a war they cannot win.

And then the spectre of Iran must be dealth with a firm hand. Israel must not be afraid to use her nuclear arsenal to finish Iran

Let’s hope that will never be necessary. I am totally against any form of killing Jews, or Muslims, or Atheists.

Hope is weak. If it is necessary , israel is more than within its right to use this and send iran back to the stone age

Well, let’s hope there are better, more benign solutions. The terrible thing is that it is the innocent civilians who always pay the highest price in war.

I am sure you will support Israel’s decision if she chooses to use nuclear weapons. Like you said - fear must be disseminated

I only support the right to self-defense. But I certainly oppose the notion of nuclear holocaust.
The knowledge that Israel has nuclear weapons should be enough to make her enemies pause before escalating this two thousand year old vendetta.

What greater fear would there be when israel enemies see that she is prepared to drop a nuclear bomb? No one would dare come near. Support for this should be unqualified for those that want to see israel survive

Your arguments lead to her two cents.

I think he did, ignoring international law. Something you say Hamas should do. Why did the whole world not stop Israel while they built settlements outside of their borders?

Now that is the kind of thing that should be settled in court.
Israel is not killing people to build settlements. And bloodless land disputes can be settled in court without going to war.

Building an illegal settlement is a little different than invading a country, as Russia is doing in Ukraine with the intent to take the whole country by force.

That’s the power position standard. For them, they can solve they’re grievances by war. For the ones without nukes, with no first world weapon sales, they should take their problems to court. The court that you said doesn’t work.

W4u agrees with me. Its just a matter of being frightened to fully reveal his thoughts in the company of his peers.

Who is “them”? It is Hamas who think they can solve this by war. They can’t unless the world stops Israel from defending itself and we get another holocaust.

We don’t blame Ukraine for defending itself. Note that Russia itself does not have to fear being bombed. Maybe its time to make Russia hurt for its aggression.

That is a very confident thing to hear from a brand new member.

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