At the very least it’s nice to see an “opposing viewpoint”, thatonguy’s viewpoint.
How about this, let’s take his point as true - black people by and large are inferior to white people. (I’m not saying it’s true, I’m saying let’s SAY it is for the discussion.)
What then?
My thought is, the people who tend to think this way are white christians, emphasis on christian. And a bedrock principle of their belief system is that we are all God’s children. Assuming those two things are true, then shouldn’t their attitude be, what can we do to help God’s black children? What can we do to make all of God’s children feel loved as God Himself tells us to do for His children?
Great question. The discussion tends to be about what we shouldn’t be doing, like welfare, housing, hiring quotas, etc. Let’s look beyond that. How do we treat people who actually are less able? If that’s what you believe, why aren’t you advocating that kind of help? Or, is it that they are equal in all ways, but they’re more violent? That’s too weird for me to come up with an analogy.
What then ?
Then we discard the “let’s say for discussion” as an irrelevant issue. It is simply not true.
We can discuss what to do if elephants could fly. What then?
This notion of inferior races must be completely and utterly eradicated. There are only different life styles, each requiring “understanding” of the environment and the most efficient ways to cope and live in harmony.
I would rather discuss the "shortsighted greed and hubris of the white race that has managed to take paradise and turn it into a “6th extinction event”
or Holocene.
Research completed after the seminal 1982 paper (Sepkoski and Raup) has concluded that a sixth mass extinction event is ongoing due to human activities:
Globally, Blacks consistently score lower than everyone else on IQ tests. Even if we dismiss IQ testing, the fact that Black intellectual achievement throughout history is far lower compared to Whites and Asians is proof enough.
Fewer gun laws than most other countries. This takes us back to the Repugs not caring about anyone who doesn’t line their pockets. The Repugs love gun manufacturers and the NRA. Life means nothing to the Repugs. They say they are Pro-life, but what they really are is Pro-Death.
Gosh, are you really that hopelessly, willfully blind?
Then you go off the cliff, “my mountain town surrounded by other German-Americans”??? Just because you can imagine it, doesn’t mean it has anything to do with actual reality. Although I did live in Silverton 9,300’ heart of the San Juan Rockies, but dear child, that was '79-'86.
My point about being forced to live next to toxic wastelands, was very simple, YES, it’s another factor that actively negatively impacts the people, including huge numbers of blacks and other minorities, in known and unrecognized ways.
And you want to pretend there’s no there there,
by simply dismissing it,
since it’s not at the top of the pile.
Distal dysfunction drivers remain dysfunction drivers,
even if there are other more immediately impactful dysfunction drivers.
But guy doesn’t have any interest in nuance, or honesty for that matter.
I suppose you’re also convinced that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a liberal conspiracy to justify jobs for scientists? -( Because one refuses to honestly look at the evidence, so of course, one doesn’t know it’s out there and well understood?)
You are telling me that blacks die at a higher rate, not that they kill at a higher rate.
Report: Black people are still killed by police at a higher rate than other groups
“Until we get to policies that dismantle the system that exists,” said Karundi Williams, “we’re not going to see this stop.”
Black people, who account for 13 percent of the U.S. population, accounted for 27 percent of those fatally shot and killed by police in 2021, according to Mapping Police Violence, a nonprofit group that tracks police shootings. That means Black people are twice as likely as white people to be shot and killed by police officers.
It is your prejudicial assumption that automatically assumes blacks are more likely to commit a crime and therefore killing blacks is justified.
This is the very essence of racial prejudice. Do you see your error?
Only if you’re reading white supremacy articles that brainwash you against Black people and even if it is true, the biggest problem is police gunning down Black males and some Black females. They aren’t shooting each other like it’s a war zone in their neighbourhoods. If you want the truth, gun violence is a problem in all areas, not just Black neighbourhoods. In KC there are shootings every day and they aren’t mostly in Black neighbourhoods. They are all over KC. Texas even has a BIG problem, especially in the metro areas. Like I said, you need to do more research before making a blanket statement.
There you go again with bias research. Please, do more research and provide sources, in the plural. It’s simply not true that they have a lower IQ. There are also problems with IQ test. Your source didn’t tell you the problems with IQ tests. I also suggest learning about IQ tests and the built in biases they have. Then, when it is all said and done, stop posting racist BS and attempting to post things that look like they support your view, but each and everyone of them are missing details in their reporting. Keep in mind, I majored in Psychology and have a degree in Psychology. I know about IQ tests and their biases.
Sometimes I think you are just trolling. The study shows the Americas are also above the global average and much higher than Africa. And some African countries are much lower.
Information on problems with IQ testing is easily found, so I won’t spoon feed that. “Intellectual achievement” is too broad of a category, and we’ve covered that one before anyway.
But, think about it. 3 million years of evolution, 200,000 years as a species, 40,000 years of advancement in art and language, and the last few thousand years of an increase in scientific thinking, but you’re going to use a test that was developed by Europeans 100 years ago, that Europeans score higher on, to prove superiority.
Okay then you don’t understand the type of argument I was making. The point is that you grant that the person you’re debating’s point is true (not that it actually is, just “pretend” it is), then show them that even in that case, their conclusion (in this guy’s case it’s okay to treat black people as lesser people) is STILL false.
And reading through the thread, all of you guys are missing the same basic point. Who cares that thatoneguy has the views he has. The question for him is, okay so what actions are you going to take because of them, given, and this is the important point, given “we’re all Gods children etc etc”.
[quote=“cuthbertj, post:54, topic:10255”] …then show them that even in that case, their conclusion (in this guy’s case it’s okay to treat black people as lesser people) is STILL false.
I didn’t see him answer that.
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By that logic we should not be killing any intelligent animals.
What about whales, dolphins, elephants, gorillas, chimpanzees, bears, pigs, etc …?
You either respect all intelligent life or you use lesser intelligent life and you get slavery.
Lots of people make the claim that slaves had it pretty good.
Full employment is a good thing, no?
That’s Pete Seeger’s logic. He wrote on it in the early days of the vegetarian “movement”. There are counter arguments. Just sayin’.
@cuthbertj makes a good point either way. I’d add that averages and anecdotes don’t mean that individuals can’t excel despite whatever group you put them in.
I don’t believe that we are God’s children. Neither do most White nationalists or whomever, but I’m not sure if Christianity actually forbids racism. It has always tolerated just about any kind of segregation.
IQ tests are not perfect, but they do measure something that correlates to real life outcomes – higher IQ = more success in life, lower IQ = less success in life.
Also, the idea that IQ testing is designed to make Whites look the smartest is disproven by the fact that East Asians always get the highest scores.
The most violent countries in the Americas are majority Black and Brown, and the main point is Africa is much more violent than Europe and East Asia.
What is a White supremacy article? Reuters is not about White supremacy; they are just reporting data from the federal government. And it’s ridiculous to claim Black on Black violence is not a big problem.
Between 1980-2008, the U.S. Department of Justice found that 84% of white victims were killed by white offenders and 93% of Black victims were killed by Black offenders.
In 2018, the Federal Bureau of Investigation reported that 81% of white victims were killed by white offenders, and 89% of Black victims were killed by Black offenders.
Blacks do kill at a higher rate. From the article about Britain:
The figures also show black people are more likely to be perpetrators of homicide and murder. Approximately one in five – or 21% – of convicted suspects were black. About 67% of suspects convicted of homicide were identified as white.
Very few non-Africans live in Africa so the Black-on-Black violence there is no surprise.
