The best response to what about oct 7

[lausten]

They have to also cease firing. Then, both sides need to do lots of other things so no one feels justified in firing later.

[zedenko77]

Hamas is calling for a ceasefire but other side says no which includes the united states

[lausten]

Calling for a cease fire and ceasing fire long term are two different things. How do we make that happen?

[zedenko77]

@lausten

Calling for a cease fire

Israel and USA are not calling for a ceasefire short term medium term or long term

[lausten]

I didn’t think you could answer that. Nothing personal. It’s a difficult question. Much harder than just saying “cease fire”.

[zedenko77]

@lausten

I didn’t think you could answer that.

I dont think your grasping the situation at hand.

[lausten]

@zedenko77

dont think your grasping the situation

It’s called “being at an impasse”

[thatoneguy]

@zedenko77

This must be the quintessential response to this pro Israel mantra. And keep your jimmy dore comments out if this. Its not what this post is about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv7lSvdbwjQ

It is a good response, but it’s not going change anyone’s mind.

[mriana]

@zedenko77

What an intelligent thoughtful and compassionate response from a social democrat to more than 10,000 Palestinian children who have been murdered or severely injured since oct 7

I have compassion for the children, but not the governments of Israel or Palestine. I have absolutely no compassion for Hamas. Don’t twist my words into something they are not.

[mriana]

@zedenko77

Is a ceasefire asking too much for a pro Palestinian because it sure is for social democrat

There you go again, assuming something that I did not mean. I support a cease fire on both sides, not just one. Secondly, you say “Social Democrat” like it was a bad thing. BTW, it’s Democratic Socialist, just like Bernie Sanders.

[zedenko77]

You said the answer very stupid. Are you ealing this back now?

[write4u]

@zedenko77

Write 4 u is so right of centre he doesnt realise the question misses the part about borders. Recognise israel within what borders ?

These borders have never been recognized by the surrounding countries, with a few exceptions.

Have you looked and thought about that map I posted? Do you see how many neighbors want to drive all Israelites into the sea, i.e. genocide.

And yes, every time Israel gets attacked, they end up with more territory.

Stop attacking Israel and they will stop gobbling up territory.

p.s. I wish you would stop labeling people with derogatory statements. You have no idea about my political leanings.

But I am also a mod and I agree with Lausten. So you are treading a fine line.

[zedenko77]

Where are the borders those countries in green say they recognised israel ?

[write4u]

Check the site, They have posted the history of Israeli expansion, during attacks from their neighbors.

[zedenko77]

Nothing on the site. You dont know.

[write4u]

Israel's borders explained in maps

[zedenko77]

That doesnt shed any light on recognised bordes

[write4u]

That’s not the point if nobody recognizes Israel as a country and its borders to begin with.

[zedenko77]

It absolutely is the point in recognising where israel exists

[morgankane01]

That’s a true point. Israel is a fact. De facto, Egypt and Jordan, among other countries have admitted it.

OLP has admitted it, and even Hamas has formally recognized the right of Israel to exist, even if many people doubt the sincerity of Hamas.

Now, the borders are another matter. In fact, for Israel, its borders are the borders of Palestine. for Palestinians and for the international community, Israel borders are the pre1967 borders.