Mriana, get rid of this human virus. It is infecting the entire forum Center For Inquiry and what it stands for.
I would love to get rid of him. First I have to give him a warning and in this case it would be for trolling, because we don’t have a rule against Fundamgelical evangelizing. After that, I have give him 2 more warnings, unless he starts profusely arguing with mods about the first warning, without ceasing despite warning and rules. Then I or @lausten could easily ban him. But his God Virus is very infectious. The good news is most of us here have been innoculated.
Truth may be considered a bad thing by those who run from it.
No, it’s not truth. It is trolling, which is a violation of the rules and yes, I can place impetuous unceasing Fundamngelical evangelism under trolling, because the way you are going about is an attempt to demand and force people to bow to your views and insisting they be controlled by you. It’s not religion you want to force on people, but your views. You aren’t giving people free will. You are attempting to force people to believe what you deem to be truth, irregardless of logic, science, knowledge, and freewill. It’s not free will if you force people to believe what you believe and trust me, it’s your beliefs. Not all Xian sects believe what you believe concerning abortion and control of women, as well as their bodies, as though they were a slave to your beliefs. Thus, I can label what you are doing as trolling. Consider this your first warning. If you continue to post in this manner, then you will be banned. This is Center for Inquiry, not Center for Forced Fundamngelicalism. If you don’t wish to follow the rules and prefer not to get more warnings, then you know where the door is.
Voice of reason – is something that includes an interesting in learning. You’ve displayed zero interest in learning.
Getting an education and learning facts is not in Fundamngelical beliefs. They believe the only education one needs is the literal interpretation of the Bible, as interpreted by men, not women or other minorities, but male WASPs. The man is the head of the house and the women in the house (wife, daughters, and in some cases his mother too) must bow to his will. This is akin to slavery. What he says goes, even if it means making his wife a baby factory until she dies in childbirth and committing incest to his daughters. He can get away with it because wives must submit to their husbands and obey him. Children must obey their fathers. There is nothing concerning abiding by a woman’s wishes, especially over her own body. The man has all the control and the only thing that can be read is the Bile and it’s the only education they are allowed to have. It’s a brainwashing from birth and subjugation of women, children, and minorities, by white men. It’s how slavery started. It’s how preventing people marrying someone with a different skin colour, it’s how ERA was prevented from happening, except in pieces, which we still aren’t there yet with equality. It’s how Civil Rights, including voting was slowed down to almost a painful crawl. It’s how gay marriage was prevented until recently. It’s how all the stupidity and ignorance of the world (at least in the U.S., if not the world) is controlled and inforced. It’s how Fundamngelicals are keeping people from getting vaccinated from COVID-19 with the stupidity and ignorance to have people to run around without masks, get COVID and die from it, because they do not care after the baby enters the world and breathe its first breath.
Be it abortion or any other issue, truth is that fundamentalists want to control people.
That’s exactly what I said too. It’s nothing but control over others who are not male WASPs.
Control of sexual life is a powerful way to do it.
Most power and most psychologically damaging to both women and children. Once a woman or child has been sexually abused, ultimate power is achieved over them. It is barbaric and primitive, but still an effective tool for control, because it harms people psychologically and physically. Even in slavery, the massa would force a male slave to rape a slave woman, if the massa couldn’t do it himself, in order to breed the slave woman like she were livestock and the fact is, the slaves were considered nothing more than livestock and many massas did it by using their religious views to achieve dominance over others- their wives, their slaves, and other animals. In fact, it is in many translations of the Bile to dominate.
I do not believe God sought to control people when He laid out rules for man. I can see that He did what any loving parent should do, and that is try to tell children what is dangerous or not good for them. The wicked do seek to control people, forcing lies into education that is mandatory, forcing baby killing on society and forcing hellish sexual practices being promoted and protected by law, forcing evil to be heard over truth by making truth be silenced as much as they can, and etc etc.
Killing babies is murder. That is what the hec I am talking about. Stop preaching your beliefs as if they were something that must be forced on others. Your sick evangelizing is noted.
Truth may be considered a bad thing by those who run from it. I guess when you can’t defend your views intellectually the only recourse is to try to squelch the voices of truth and reason and light. Perhaps all folks that oppose the mass murder of babies can be kept from threads like this and your views would be the only ones left. (not sure many people would find that worth reading) -- dad1
He pretty much ignores anything I say, but, you know, I'm persistent. So he's figured out that rule anyway, that is, "don't argue with the mods."
He’s deep into the above, where any suggestion that he is in error, even with Christian Biblical scholars, is an indication that we are “squelching the voices”. This is the martyr complex that is rampant throughout 6 centuries of Judaism and Christianity.
I could just as easily say that slavery, of the type that was in the Bible, through Jesus, up until the more recent kind that is institutionalized by under-employment and debtors prison and unfair policing, is mass murder. Not to mention pushing Doritos on an uneducated public. “Life begins at conception” is not supported Biblically and is arbitrary, it began as a political movement in the last century. Life begins in an egg cell in a fetus before it is birthed, so life is a continuous cycle.
Try not to repeat that killing babies whatever you want to call it is not killing babies. The baby dies. What would you call an abortion survivor, if not a baby that survived the attempted murder?
George Orwell 1984
Exerpt: O’Brien was looking down at him speculatively. More than ever he had the air of a teacher taking pains with a wayward but promising child. ‘There is a Party slogan dealing with the control of the past,’ he said. ‘Repeat it, if you please.’ “Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past,” repeated Winston obediently. “Who controls the present controls the past,” said O’Brien, nodding his head with slow approval. ‘Is it your opinion, Winston, that the past has real existence?’ Again the feeling of helplessness descended upon Winston. His eyes flitted towards the dial. He not only did not know whether ‘yes’ or ‘no’ was the answer that would save him from pain; he did not even know which answer he believed to be the true one. O’Brien smiled faintly. ‘You are no metaphysician, Winston,’ he said. ‘Until this moment you had never considered what is meant by existence. I will put it more precisely. Does the past exist concretely, in space? Is there somewhere or other a place, a world of solid objects, where the past is still happening?’ ‘No.’ ‘Then where does the past exist, if at all?’ ‘In records. It is written down.’ ‘In records. And- ?’ 'In the mind. In human memories. ‘In memory. Very well, then. We, the Party, control all records, and we control all memories. Then we control the past, do we not?’ https://www.abhafoundation.org/assets/books/html/1984/162.html
OTOH, religious scripture recorded non existent history as if it really happened
and refuse to modify the written “records” to reflect true history.
Even if a Pope stipulates to evolution, the bible has not been adjusted to reflect that historical fact. This is why fundamentalism is so dangerous. It is founded on make belief, not truth and just as damaging as the world of 1984
And still today there are constant religious attempts to bury truth in science in favor of fable in scripture.
He pretty much ignores anything I say, but, you know, I’m persistent. So he’s figured out that rule anyway, that is, “don’t argue with the mods.”
He’s deep into the above, where any suggestion that he is in error, even with Christian Biblical scholars, is an indication that we are “squelching the voices”. This is the martyr complex that is rampant throughout 6 centuries of Judaism and Christianity.
He’s a Fundamgelical and very infected with the God virus. There is no getting through to him because that virus has a very strong hold on him. That and after my appointment this morning, I think I’m going to have to contact the higher ups about the forum.
The pope must believe God’s word like anyone else.
No one “must” do anything or it’s not freewill. In your Fundamngelical view, people must come to Him freely or it’s not sincere belief. You cannot force anyone to give lip service to your views just because you, who wants to control people, as asserted by your forum handle, and make people believe what you believe. You want us to say, “OK I believe what you say. I’ve seen the error in our ways.” Thing is, it would only be a means to shut you up, because you are nothing more than a dominating and controlling troll.
No it’s not, but you don’t want to believe that due to your God virus. There is no getting through to you because you have it very bad.
The baby dies. What would you call an abortion survivor, if not a baby that survived the attempted murder?
For that last time, no baby dies. You are thinking it is a fully developed human, but it’s not. It is first a blastocyst, then a zygote, and eventually it is a fetus, but it is not a fully developed human until after it is born. Someone who survives a spontaneous abortion (aka miscarriage) is a human being and put in your language your God concept causes more spontaneous abortions than any woman does, but that’s OK with you because your God did it. Your God can murder what is human in your view and that’s OK with you. The reality of your view is that it is a control thing in which to control women even if it kills them and sometimes forcing women to carry a pregnancy to term will kill them, but that’s OK with you because your God did it, despite that fact you and those who think like you killed the woman, but who cares about the woman, as long as you control her until she dies from your ignorant views. Women are not allowed to have a choice concerning their health. Her health is controlled by the man with his unreal god concept. It’s not the man’s fault the woman died in childbirth due to his control and dominance over her, forcing her to be a baby factory until the woman is dead. It was “God’s will”. Many sane women have two words for you, but those words can’t be said on the forum.
Another scenario, force her to carry a dead “baby” in her womb, even if it means she becomes sepsis and dies. Can’t remove the dead fetus, because God insists it’s his will for both the fetus and the woman to die, even though it can be prevented by removing the dead fetus before mother gets sepsis.
I can continue more ways as to how it benefits the woman to terminate a pregnancy, but what’s the point? You will refuse to listen because you MUST dominate and control others with unscientific beliefs, even if it kills living human beings.
