Disappearing separation of Church and State - GOP's Anti Woman Tyranny

Politics and Social Issues
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It’s another thing about the nastiness of today’s Republican Party. All sorts of concern for the unborn, but then, gross disregard toward the mothers and children who are already here. What about a woman’s sovereignty over her own body? What about a woman’s right to self-defense? How can men and woman be so cold towards others problems and realities - then so viscous to living humans. Let them be. Let them live there own lives.

But if masses of regular citizens and voters don’t take a renewed interest and get out and present the other side and vote, and, and not sure what, but nothings is going to stop them if we don’t start changing minds.

A bad wind is blowing

Male reporter tries to spar with Jen Psaki about new Texas law

Brian Tyler Cohen

Biden warns of ‘unconstitutional chaos’ due to Texas abortion ban

By Lawrence Hurley - September 2, 2021

WASHINGTON, Sept 2 (Reuters) - A Texas law imposing a near-total ban on abortion that the U.S. Supreme Court allowed to stand will cause “unconstitutional chaos” by infringing on a right that women have exercised for almost a half-century, President Joe Biden warned on Thursday.

The court, with a 6-3 conservative majority, also raised questions about how it will rule on a more sweeping upcoming case that could curb abortion rights nationwide, as it left in place the ban on abortion after the sixth week of pregnancy.

Texas’ ban has so far survived legal challenges partly because of an unusual feature that leaves enforcement up to individual citizens, who could collect cash bounties of at least $10,000 for bringing successful lawsuits against women who seek abortion after their sixth week of pregnancy or those who help them. …

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The court, with a 6-3 conservative majority, also raised questions about how it will rule on a more sweeping upcoming case that could curb abortion rights nationwide, as it left in place the ban on abortion after the sixth week of pregnancy.

One little hopeful sign;

Shortly after the announcement that Chief Justice John Roberts had joined the supreme court liberals on Monday to strike down a Louisiana law restricting abortion rights, conservative legal organizations sent up an alarm.

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June 2020, where was he September 2021?

This stuff is nothing less than horrifying and ominous beyond belief for the future of our society - yet it seems to be another hoo hum among We The People.

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The Supreme Court has just consented to the installation of evangelical fatwas, i.e. punishment of actions which are protected by the US Constitution.

This effectively makes our legal judicial system into a western version of Islamic law and our jurists into the equivalent of Islamic Muftis.

Not only do the Islamists win their wars against US, they also win the wars of religious Moral imposition on the population of the US.

Shame on Democracy! Bye bye , Secular government and the “Establishment Clause.”

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Yes, it is scary. It gets worse since religion is involved.

I listen to Randi Rhodes and she compares Al Qaeda to the base, even says Al Qaeda means the base. If she is right, then the U.S. has an Al Qaeda of their own that wants to over turn the U.S. Constitution and put Xian Sharia into law.

Exactly what I was just saying.

I still say that if a Texas woman want to get a home pregnancy test, finds out she’s pregnant, then one of her weekends she has off, she could go to another state, and without saying a word, get an abortion. As long as they don’t ask where she lives, then no one should be able to find out that she got an abortion or she give a friend’s address in that state she’s in. Then, if anyone asks, because she bought a pregnancy test, say it was negative. The other option is a tiny bit of Bella Donna, not too much or it will kill the woman, because it is poison, should do the trick. She won’t have a great night, but by morning, there won’t be a blastocyst to worry about growing into a zygote, then an embryo, then a fetus. It would all have to on the hush hush of course. The other things is, buy lots of Plan B in another state NOW and not use the risky Bella Donna.

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She won’t have a great night, but by morning, there won’t be a blastocyst to worry about growing into a zygote, then an embryo, then a fetus. It would all have to on the hush hush of course. The other things is, buy lots of Plan B in another state NOW and not use the risky Bella Donna.

And if something goes wrong and she needs to go to hospital, they’ll fix her up and then throw her in jail. Unless of course we reintroduce the practice of biblical “stoning’”.

Way to go America for showing the world the advantages of secular democracy, the “shiny light on the hill” .

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The problem exists because the government pays for abortions. If the government didn’t pay there would be no need to license clinics, gather data or keep records. We cannot justify the government paying for the murder of innocents except in very limited circumstances involving risk to the physical or mental health of the child or the woman. Privacy of your health care is one more reason to get and keep the socialist government as far out of your life as you can.

What ever happened to the “morning after” pill? It was supposed to be good for early termination of the pregnancy for most women whose pregnancy was not the result of rape, incest or where there was an undesirable condition discovered in the child.

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The same thing can be said about obesity, the primary cause of secondary illnesses. Are you going to outlaw obesity? It has the same dynamics as having sex for pleasure.

The argument that federal funds are used by healthcare clinics for abortions is false and easily remediated.
That is no reason for “outlawing” abortions, against the majority will of the people and against the principles of the Establishment Clause. Abortions laws themselves are unconstitutional!

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Nah, that’s not how it worked in the old days in the backwoods. You can’t get Belladonna just anywhere. Where do you think I learned about Belladonna? I have a brother-in-law who is a “warlock” and he gave me a book on some of the plants used for various things, which included some for women- fertility, menstrual pain, and abortion. Belladonna is actually a poison, but in very small doses can cause a miscarriage, but spare the woman. It’s generally done with another woman, who knows how to do it, supervising it. It generally is not her first rodeo helping women with Belladonna. The woman either miscarriages and it actually appears as a miscarriage or she dies from too much of the poison. Unless bloodwork looking for belladonna is done, it actually appears as a miscarriage. They throw her in jail for a miscarriage that is “an act of God” then we really have issues, because they’d punishing women for something God did. Of course, there is that possibility too.

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That is a fallacy. PPH functions on donations and people who can pay for services. Any funds from Federal and State aren’t used for abortions. That is another Reich wing lie.

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Plan B, AKA “morning after”, is sold at local Walmarts.

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Where do you people come up with garbage like that. Abortion has been part of the human condition since forever, every culture, every race.

Heck why not consider that the biggest portion of abortions that happen to women are spontaneous abortions. It happens. Death happens.

What I can’t comprehend is how you put a higher moral value on an unborn fetus life, than you do for the living woman’s life. What about a little compassion for the woman’s situation, which you’ll never be able to comprehend or relate to - and if you pretend you do …

What about a little respect for the woman’s ability to make a wise and moral choice for herself, while saving the unborn from the negative consequences of being born into bad situations? - Why should woman be controlled by laws that womanizing, sexist old male pigs enact?

Ironically, conversely we’re supposed to be okay with you folks strapping guns onto your hips, and wave around military assault weapons of mass destruction, while thumping your chests. Lordie, lordie, this is going to get ugly.

Thanks be to the stars for being off sides, old and ready to go when it knocks on my door - because the nightmare being created for America and the world doesn’t bear thinking about.

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The woman either miscarriages and it actually appears as a miscarriage or she dies from too much of the poison. Unless bloodwork looking for belladonna is done, it actually appears as a miscarriage. They throw her in jail for a miscarriage that is “an act of God” then we really have issues, because they’d punishing women for something God did. Of course, there is that possibility too.

A blood test is the first thing they will do, and they will test for active agents.

As I understand it, it is not the method used but the act of inducing an abortion miscarriage which has become illegal.

What you just posted is an illegal act in Texas and if an individual wanted to bring charges against this form of free speech, this discussion might warrant a 10,000 dollar fine.

We have entered a stage of berserkers. No doubt a result from on-line violent fantasy games.

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Yes, but Belladonna isn’t something they’d look for and as I said, Belladonna is a poison, they probably won’t make it to the hospital if something goes wrong.

I don’t live in Texas and with the way things are going, there is a fund to protect my free speech concerning abortion. Many companies and groups are setting funds for such things. I’m not worried about it. Not only that, may I remind you of what forum we are on? I don’t think the charges can be enforced over a comment concerning a “coat hanger abortion”.

Besides that, you missed my point- more than once. Belladonna is a poison and although a woman could use it to induce a miscarriage, if they do not know how much to take, it might as well be a “coat hanger abortion”. She won’t make it to the hospital, just as she won’t make it to the hospital using a coat hanger to induce miscarriage.

There won’t be any trial because the woman will be dead already. She doesn’t have to have others knowingly involved even to do this either. She could just buy it, as she would a coat hanger. Should we charge Hellmart for selling her the coat hanger?

Lastly, as a mod on Center of Inquiry forum, do you want me to shut this thread down out of fear of being sued and possibly fined and/or jailed for our conversation? Are you wanting this thread such down out of fear of being charged, unconstitutionally, with a crime because of Texas wanting to enforce their stupid religious views on everyone?

The only way I’ll shut this thread down is if CFI higher ups ask me to because they are fear being sued by the Xian Sharia state of Texas. As far as I am concerned, unless that happens, then anyone can say what they want about abortion, in this thread, as long as there is no name calling or violation of the rules.

Women have the constitutional right to have medical care that is between them and their doctor, as well as someone of HER choosing. It’s the government’s business and the only person who should make decisions about her medical care is the woman herself. Texas only goal is to religiously control women. Texas doesn’t give a damn about the woman, her healthcare, her life, or her right to choose. Texas rather criminalize what she does with her body, especially if she’s not a baby factory. Meanwhile, men can get vasectomies and not go to jail/prison for it. Maybe we should make vasectomies mandatory for Texas males until they are deemed matured enough, responsible, and financially well off to have children.

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Lastly, as a mod on Center of Inquiry forum, do you want me to shut this thread down out of fear of being sued and possibly fined and/or jailed for our conversation? Are you wanting this thread such down out of fear of being charged, unconstitutionally, with a crime because of Texas wanting to enforce their stupid religious views on everyone?

Please note that I am participating in this discussion which would make me also liable in Texas. We’ll see what they are gonna do here in Idaho , which is already considering abortion restrictions based on the Texas model. I would hate to have to say “sorry folks, I am forbidden from discussing abortion because my neighbor is a pro-lifer and wants to see me suffer for my liberal views”.

I am only trying to make objective observations. I am firmly in the corner of women’s rights to choose. Her eggs are not a property of the state.

I always keep in mind George Carlin’s observation that pro-lifers want to protect the fetus , but when it grows up to be a doctor, they just may have to kill it.!

And another observation that pro-lifers want live fetuses to grow up to become dead soldiers.

And yet another observation. The pro-lifers call a fertilized egg a person, but a fertilized chicken egg an “omelette”. Why is that?

The irony is staggering. To pro-lifers death is a negotiable commodity. It is biblical, even as the bible is full of death and destruction. I am scared of religious zealots.
They are crazy!!!

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Touche.

Yes, Missouri is Pro-death too. I do not consider so-called “Pro-life” as being for life. It’s more like they are for death, thus Pro-death/Pro-deather.

Exactly. It’s her body, no one else’s.

As I said, they are really Pro-deathers.

Technically, a chicken egg isn’t fertilized unless there is a rooster around. Human women shed eggs every month with their periods, but chickens lay eggs- all eggs, even the fertilized eggs (if there is a rooster around). So even human women have fertilized and unfertilized eggs too. Unfertilized sluff off and some fertilized ones attach themselves to the uterine wall, while others don’t. Many women miscarriage before 6 or 8 weeks thinking that their period was late, because the fertilized egg didn’t attach. So basically there is nothing between chicken eggs and human eggs.

Actually, even in the Bile their god kills more babies than any woman ever did. There really is nothing about abortion in the Bile, not even by Jesus. So yes, the zealots are crazy, because anti-abortion isn’t in the Bile.

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She died of COPD at the age of 93 and her daughter said her mother never dreamed Roe v Wade would ever be overturned like it was in Texas. You can read more, but I also wondered if part of her death, was being brought down emotionally by what happened because it was her life’s work. Granted, her age and COPD had a lot more to do with it, but this could have been the straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak.

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I have a solution to this entire abortion program. All men who cause and unwanted pregnancy, i.e. rape their women, will be forced to to have a castration. End of problem.

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Maybe women’s rights and health care won’t be destroyed.

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Rachel Maddow tells the story of how Cambridge, Massachusetts bar, Grendel’s Den, whose case to obtain a liquor license over the objections of a neighboring church was argued before the Supreme Court and won by Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe, setting a precedent that could put an end to the new Texas abortion ban.

One can hope.

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