Texas Valedictorian Blasts Cowardly Texas Abortion Law

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@dad1 The Bile does not show a baby’s life begins in the womb. That whole passage is nothing more than the foretelling of John’s birth and cannot be taken literally. That said, it still says nothing about abortion. The link I gave also shows more than your desperation to prove us wrong. Quote from the same link I gave above:

Does God Kill Babies?

“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” Psalm 137:9

The bible is not pro-child. Why did God set a bear upon 42 children just for teasing a prophet (2 Kings 2:23-24)? Far from demonstrating a “pro-life” attitude, the bible decimates innocent babies and pregnant women in passage after gory passage, starting with the flood and the wanton destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, progressing to the murder of the firstborn child of every household in Egypt (Ex. 12:29), and the New Testament threats of annihilation.

Space permits only a small sampling of biblical commandments or threats to kill children:

Numbers 31:17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.
Deuteronomy 2:34: utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.
Deuteronomy 28:53: And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.
I Samuel 15:3: slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
2 Kings 8:12: dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
2 Kings 15:16: all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Isaiah 13:16: Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 13:18: They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
Lamentations 2:20: Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.
Ezekiel 9:6: Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.
Hosea 9:14: give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
Hosea 13:16: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Then there are the dire warnings of Jesus: “For, behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the womb that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.” Luke 23:29

The teachings and contradictions of the bible show that antiabortionists do not have a “scriptural base” for their claim that their deity is “pro-life.”

Spontaneous abortions occur far more often than medical abortions. Gynecology textbooks conservatively cite a 15% miscarriage rate, with one medical study finding a spontaneous abortion rate of almost 90% in very early pregnancy. That would make a deity in charge of nature the greatest abortionist in history!

As you can see, your deity doesn’t give a damn.

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False. The bible further points out that when John in the belly met Mary who had Jesus in her belly that John lept for joy. He knows us before we leave the womb and already has plans for us.

Jeremiah 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations

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@dad1 I knew you were going to say that, because you are one of those Bible literalists who refuses to face reality, especially if it’s not in the Bile and more especially if it contradicts the literalist view. Again, why did you come here? Obviously not for help in facing reality. I figure you thought you were going to evangelize and convert a few poor disbelieving souls to Jesus and when that didn’t happen, you started throwing tantrums because you don’t want your insulated dream world destroyed. Of course, you’ll deny all of that with great angry vehemence, but I really suspect it’s true, because you can’t handle the truth. You’re either an elder person who is clinging to belief- in which case maybe you shouldn’t be here because people will disabuse you of your belief or you’re delusional person who really believes there is a sexually demented man in the sky watching us.

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people will disabuse you of your belief or you’re delusional person who really believes there is a sexually demented man in the sky watching us
So far I haven't broke a sweat with the limp noodle debating that goes on here. Try not to kid yourself. As for your insinuation God is some sort or perv, well I guess we can take His word or yours (and all you stand for)
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@dad1

and all you stand for

You do not know what I stand for and as for you not breaking a sweat, it’s because you don’t read links and just say, “false” and “not true”. If you read what we linked to and all… but breaking a sweat isn’t the issue. You get bent out of shape everytime we post something in response to you and scream “False!” “not true”. You might not be breaking a sweat, but you sure are getting bent.

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Exactly Mriana. So easy to sit back and just tell others are wrong. Did God let his children fail and be enslaved forever or did he show his miracles and help them see the way? Did he say “false”, “dumb”? Or did he nudge them to the truth?

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You might not be breaking a sweat, but you sure are getting bent.

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Bringing it back on point.

 

The Right of Abortion By Harriet Pilpel JUNE 1969 - www_theatlantic_com/magazine/archive/1969/06/the-right-of-abortion/303366/

… Notwithstanding all this, we continue to maintain strict antiabortion laws on the books of at least four fifths of our states, denying freedom of choice to women and physicians and compelling the “unwilling to bear the unwanted.” Yet, as Doctor Christopher Tietze and Sarah Lewit point out in the Scientific American for January, 1969: “Abortion is still the most widespread…method of fertility control in the modern world.”

According to experts who participated in a United Nations Conference on World Population in Belgrade in 1965, abortion is indeed the chief method of birth control in the world today, and they estimated that about 30 million pregnancies are purposely terminated by abortion each year. Of these, studies indicate that almost one million are in the United States.

Since, however, abortions are still so difficult to obtain, we force the birth of millions more unwanted children every year. If we really want to cut our population growth rate on a voluntary basis, we should make abortion available on a voluntary basis, at least in the early stages of pregnancy. When Japan liberalized its abortion laws some years back, it halved its rate of population growth in a decade. …

… It would seem that abortion-law reform—and better, repeal—is an idea whose time has come. It is more than time that it be supported by all those who want to slow down our population growth rate without resorting to coercion or compulsion. As Secretary-General U Thant and many of the UN agencies have repeatedly said, “The opportunity to decide the number and spacing of children is a basic human right.”

Until such time as we have a perfect contraceptive universally available and invariably used, voluntary abortion should be infinitely preferred to compulsory sterilization or compulsory birth control, and that may well be the choice. …

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10 reasons to decriminalise abortion

IT’S OUT-OF-DATE
IT’S PATRONISING TO WOMEN
IT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST WOMEN
IT IS AT ODDS WITH FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL PRINCIPLES
THE PUNISHMENT IS ENTIRELY DISPROPORTIONATE
PUBLIC OPINION HAS CHANGED SINCE THE 1960s
ABORTION IN BRITAIN TODAY IS A FACT OF LIFE
IT PREVENTS BEST CLINICAL PRACTICE
IT PUTS DOCTORS OFF CARING FOR WOMEN
REMOVING IT FROM THE CRIMINAL LAW WILL NOT INCREASE ABORTIONS

https://www.bpas.org/get-involved/campaigns/briefings/10-reasons-to-decriminalise-abortion/

 
 
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Since my opinion doesn’t hold up to squat, I figured I’d save my breath and share some of this.

JUNE 17, 2021

Key facts about the abortion debate in America
BY CARRIE BLAZINA, MICHAEL LIPKA AND JOHN GRAMLICH

 

Nearly five decades after the U.S. Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision, opponents and supporters of abortion rights are still battling over the issue in court, at the ballot box and in state legislatures. Several states have introduced or passed new restrictions on abortion in 2021 with an eye toward giving the Supreme Court a chance to overturn its decision in Roe, and the high court agreed in May to review a Mississippi law that aims to make most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy illegal. The case will be the court’s first abortion law review since Justice Amy Coney Barrett took the bench in October.

As the debate over abortion continues, here are key facts about Americans’ views on the topic, based on Pew Research Center polls.

Around six-in-ten U.S. adults (59%) say that abortion should be legal in all or most cases; 39% say it should be illegal in all or most cases, …


While abortion has long divided political partisans, the partisan gap is now considerably wider than it was in the past.

Attitudes about whether abortion should be legal vary widely by religious affiliation.


Sizable minorities of Republicans and Democrats said in a 2019 survey that they did not agree with the dominant position on abortion policy of the party they identify with or lean toward.

When it comes to the Supreme Court’s 1973 landmark abortion ruling, seven-in-ten Americans said in the Center’s 2019 survey that they would not like to see the Supreme Court completely overturn its Roe v. Wade decision.


In a December 2017 survey, roughly half of Americans (48%) said having an abortion is morally wrong, while 20% said it is morally acceptable and 31% said it is not a moral issue.

 

 

 

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Don’t forget congressmen are not doctors and need to stay out of women’s uteruses.

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So more people condone murder these days if those polls are correct. ZZzzz

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Maybe women need to keep scalpels from their babies hearts too?

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Good and evil are never out of date just because more people choose evil.

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So far it seemed like you stood for ungodly sexual practices,killing babies,insulting Scripture and about anything that is called evil by God. Do correct me if I somehow missed something or misread your vile words.

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Mriana, get rid of this human virus. It is infecting the entire forum Center For Inquiry and what it stands for.

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Truth may be considered a bad thing by those who run from it. I guess when you can’t defend your views intellectually the only recourse is to try to squelch the voices of truth and reason and light. Perhaps all folks that oppose the mass murder of babies can be kept from threads like this and your views would be the only ones left. (not sure many people would find that worth reading)

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What would you know about truth?

Voice of reason - is something that includes an interesting in learning. You’ve displayed zero interest in learning.

 

@Dad1 Perhaps all folks that oppose the mass murder of babies can be kept from threads like this and your views would be the only ones left.
The irony is astounding. An unborn fetus, an undeveloped potentiality, is more important than people who are actually living, to way to many christians such as yourself. That doesn't lend much legitimacy to your chest thumping sense of perfection.

PS

https://www.thetoptens.com/religion/atrocities-committed-name-religion/

The Crusades (Christianity)

 

Jihads (Islam)

 

The Inquisition (Christianity)

 

Genocide of Native Americans (Christianity)

 

The Ku Klux Klan Murders (Christianity)

 

Witch Hunts & Wiccan Murders (Christianity)

 

Biblical Endorsement to Mistreat Homosexuals (Christianity)

 

French Wars of Religion (Christianity)

 

The Holocaust (Christianity)

 

9/11 (Islam)

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@dad1

So more people condone murder these days if those polls are correct.

What the heck are you talking about? I thought we were talking about abortion, not murder.

Maybe women need to keep scalpels from their babies hearts too?

And there begins the tantrum I was talking about when people don’t agree with you. It seems to me you do not know the difference between murder and abortion. They are two different things. You also don’t know the difference between someone else’s body not being yours and want to dominate women’s bodies, telling them what to do with their bodies, regardless if it kills them and despite the fact you are not a doctor. You want to traumatize a rape survivor more, literally punish her, by forcing to carry the rapist’s baby to term and suffer more pain mentally and physically because she was raped, while the rapist gets to run free and take no responsibility for his crime. The rapist should take responsibility for his crime, not the woman take responsibility for his crime. That said, if you are so worried about women having abortions, which happens far less then spontaneous abortions (aka miscarriage, which your god does in your language), then you should encourage free access to birth control, so women can have control over their own bodies and not you.

Now, let’s talk about spontaneous abortions (aka miscarriages). This happens when nature or in your language god, decides a pregnancy isn’t viable and discontinues the pregnancy. You god kills far more babies because spontaneous abortion happens far more often than women choosing an abortion.

Lastly, why do you want to control women and what they do with their bodies so much? Why can’t you leave a woman’s health care between her and her doctor, just as women leave your choice to have a vasectomy between you and your doctor? Get out of the female doctor’s office and mind your own health and stop throwing tantrums because women and many men won’t obey your will and your demands on what a woman does with her body. Trust me, your god, a creation of your own mind, has nothing to do with this. It’s what you want women to do. It’s about you wanting control over all women. That’s all it’s about.

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@dad1

So far it seemed like you stood for ungodly sexual practices,killing babies,insulting Scripture and about anything that is called evil by God. Do correct me if I somehow missed something or misread your vile words.

You’d be wrong. First off, I stay out of people’s bedrooms. Secondly, it’s cells that start out as blastocyst, then a zygote, then eventually a fetus. No one is talking about killing babies, even though you see it as a baby at the moment of conception, when it is not. You do not know about human development at the very earliest stages. That said, I am for a woman’s right to chose whether or not she will have a baby- whether it starts with contraception or with Plan B or an abortion. She has the right to chose and it’s nobody’s business as to why she doesn’t any of it, except her doctor’s. There are times that if a woman continues a pregnancy she will die, leaving all children she’s had prior to that pregnancy, motherless, but you don’t care about that as long as that baby is born, then after it’s born, who cares if it lives or dies, eats or starves. I’m more worried about the living, those who live on this planet now than what a woman does with her body. I have no desire to control others.

Scripture was created and written by Man. It’s nothing but literature that people use to control other human beings. Religion is the most psychologically damaging concept Man has ever created. Likewise, so is the idea of a deity. God was created by humans, not the other way around and worst of all, all the Abrahamic religions are mostly male dominated and a means to control women and children. If you notice, most rules apply to women and children, fewer to men. It’s nothing more than a tool to keep the white male in power and BTW, your Jesus, if he ever existed, was not white with blues eyes and straight blonde hair, which means the white male should have never used Xianity to control their slaves. Xianity, along with other Abrahamic religions, is oppressive to all but the white man.

What we humanist stand for is spelled out in the Humanist Manifesto 1, 2, 3 and 4. Please look them up. Beyond that, we each have our own code of ethics we live by, so I will not speak for any other humanist, atheist, naturalist, non-theist on the forum.

It is not our words that are vile. It is yours with your desire to control others, especially women.