Suppression Sexuality for a Higher Goal

The idea of no fap originates from certain spiritual practices, where release of sexual energy is detrimental to meditation and attaining higher levels of consciousness. But, what's really happening in those spiritual practices is that people learn how to transmute and transform the energy of their sexual desire, not to repress it. Sexual desire is the most powerful urge, period. Sounds like you learnt the hard way exactly what happens when we try to coerce ourselves like this. Sorry you had to go through that. Similar patterns can be seen in other areas of life, for example when people starve themselves and call it 'dieting', only to absolutely binge further down the line. It seems like moderation and healthy balance is the key for anyone wanting to limit sexual release to improve their focus and drive etc.
It's just an example but I kind of want to know where we went from sexuality being a normal aspect of the human experience to being something to either transcend, suppress, or transmute. It's also similar to how I wonder why homosexuality became demonized when there isn't ANYTHING wrong with it. It just boggles my mind to be honest.

Edit: The title is Suppression OF Sexuality. I just realized I made a typo.

I think “NoFap” stems from Millennial guys trying to move away from online porn because they’re realizing they’ve never learned how intimacy works with other people. It’s a worthwhile goal to delay gratification for some bigger reward later on – like having an actual sex partner.

I think it’s just another step in a long history of humans warring against themselves.

@thatoneguy

It’s a worthwhile goal to delay gratification for some bigger reward later on — like having an actual sex partner.
An actual partner is a whole different deal requiring commitment to a much more complex project with downside risks. If you are talking about porn, an actual sex partner would be a hooker. It's one year in prison for a Class A misdemeamor on top of the STD and virus infection.

The higher goal is a no brainer.

https://lonerwolf.com/transforming-sexual-energy/comment-page-3/#comment-310228

https://scottjeffrey.com/sexual-energy-transmutation/#What_is_Sexual_Transmutation
https://www.ananda.org/ask/10-ways-to-transmute-sexual-energy/

When I googled it I saw that it was really just a bunch of nonsense about it being energy.

The higher goal is a no brainer.
What higher goal would that be pray tell.

Xain, that wasn’t rhetorical either - I’m very curious to what your higher goals might be?

Or is it simply winning phraseology to impress?

. . . and no serious response should be hoped for?

The higher goal is a no brainer.
You know Xain, running your words through my mind, I'm starting to wonder whether the hidden "higher" goal is losing one's brain?

Can you clarify the confusion?

 

What higher goal would that be pray tell.
One man's higher goal is different from next guy. I was questioning @thatoneguy, who suggested that the higher goal would be an actual sex partner.

@snowcity isn’t saying anything yet but seems to be making allusions to some kinky stuff. I am not one to jump to conclusions like a smarty pants know all. I am waiting for him to commit himself.

What is your higher goal?

Helping people to deep down appreciate Evolution.

Helping people to deep down understand the difference between our florid Mindscapes and Physical Reality.

Keeping my wife happy and feeling safe.

Being of service to people around me.

But I’m nearly 65.

When I was in my twenties and thirties, I’ll admit a lot of my goals had to do with getting to know woman and if intimately so much the better, but certainly not mandatory. Of course, there was also traveling, work, adventures to sniffed out, or ride out, as the case might be. It’s not all fun and games.

Learning skills that will help me survive.

Trying to figure out myself and make sense of the world around me and its lack of values, the confusion and conflicts and turmoil and fears within.

Lots and lots of goals.

 

I was just trying to wrap myself around this need to fear and seeming hatred of sexuality- what higher goal does that serve, thinking one is doing God a favorite*? - I can only see it serving to help some place their hooks into others for manipulation and advantage.

That is the current question over here.

{*I’ve know that one, but fortunately wrestled it into submission fairly early on, and God has never given be hard time for it.}

no pun intended, well okay, maybe it was :wink:

 

I was just trying to wrap myself around this need to fear and seeming hatred of sexuality- what higher goal does that serve, thinking one is doing God a favorite*? – I can only see it serving to help some place their hooks into others for manipulation and advantage.
I don't think God has anything to do with this need to fear and hate sexuality. Everything thing we do has consequences. And they are different for everybody depending on where one is on the totem pole. It's society and self-awareness - not God- that determine the higher goal for you and for me.

What do you say?

I don’t think God has anything to do with this need to fear and hate sexuality.
Hmmm, why do they always seem to be in context with each other. I mean the terror of masturbating that many seem to maintain, that is all religion centered
Everything thing we do has consequences.
Right, but what does that have to do with hating sexuality?

Or thinking you’re going to hell because you like playing with your “privates” or someone else’s for that matter?

And they are different for everybody depending on where one is on the totem pole.
Okay, and what does that have to do with suppressing sexuality for a "higher" goal.
It’s society and self-awareness – not God- that determine the higher goal for you and for me.
NO. You are talking about mundane "goals" - when someone uses the term "Higher goals" that usual refers to something beyond material economics pragmatism.

Funny that,

I just came inside for a moment because I realized a left out the ‘getting to know God’, regarding my “higher goals” during those twenties and thirties years.

It’s like by the time I turned twenty, I’d pretty much buried the Bible as any genuine guide to finding god, but I didn’t give on god and the bible it did offer some valid lasting hints, such as “Seek and Ye Shall Find” and “God is Beyond all Human Understanding.” So part of my vagabonding was all about mediating on the big questions and finding people to discuss it with.

It’s been a wonderful and enlightening experience, those days of my life. :slight_smile:

An actual partner is a whole different deal requiring commitment to a much more complex project with downside risks. If you are talking about porn, an actual sex partner would be a hooker. It’s one year in prison for a Class A misdemeamor on top of the STD and virus infection. The higher goal is a no brainer.
Well, a hooker is an option -- but I was thinking more like these guys should go interact with women and learn how to hook up instead of satisfying themselves through porn. Yeah, relationships always come with downsides but its better than being a 30 year old virgin.

Hey what about sex robots? They have some now, but they’re too expensive and not physiologically as capable as I would like. But they do have them with AI which is nice. I like intelligent women/robots. But not violent like on Westworld, or used to actually replace existing sex partners, like in Stepford Wives.

But good for the young people trying not to wank so that they will be motivated to have relationships with real live women who want to have a relationship with them.

I recall that I seemed to be able to masturbate AND have mutually fulfilling sexual relations with women. Nowadays, porn tends to be boring to me. (Probably an old age and health related phenomenon.)

@thatoneguy

Well, a hooker is an option — but I was thinking more like these guys should go interact with women and learn how to hook up instead of satisfying themselves through porn.
If women, these days - and I mean western women, in general, and American women, in particular – are harmless to hook up with, men wouldn’t resort to porn or, worse still, turn gay.
Yeah, relationships always come with downsides but its better than being a 30 year old virgin.
I would rather opt for celibacy than run the risk of downsides with harridans like Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren and Joy Behar.

Jeebus, Girls these days are so bad that it is turning some guys gay? Wow, you young’uns have it worse than I knew.

Oh, I just recalled, there is an Eastern practice that involves a male learning how to have coitus, experience an orgasm, but not ejaculate. There is a whole practice about how to accomplish this ability. Idk, if it’s true, I never tried to develop such a skill, BUT, supposedly it would enable the man to have multiple orgasms and retain energy and vigor. (They just never get to cum. That sort of ruled it out for me.)

I mean they orgasm, (and as much as they want) but not like with ejaculate. That seems like a part of it, to me.

If women, these days – and I mean western women, in general, and American women, in particular – are harmless to hook up with, men wouldn’t resort to porn or, worse still, turn gay.
Younger guys aren't trying to avoid women they just haven't learned how to interact with them. This age group came of age when online porn became widely available and social media replaced the old ways of teens interacting with each other. They're socially (and physically) maladjusted. As for women -- they always follow the lead of men. When young guys started turning into incel porn addicts, young women responded by turning into obese, blue haired, depressed SJWs who police social media for wrongthink.

They have even more problems than the guys.

 

I would rather opt for celibacy than run the risk of downsides with harridans like Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren and Joy Behar.


True enough I guess, but who the hell is trying to hook up with them?

I recall that I seemed to be able to masturbate AND have mutually fulfilling sexual relations with women.
whew, you had me going for a moment before that Timb, glad you brought it back down to Earth. Heck a healthy young guy, sometimes it's really good idea to choke the chx before going out.

You know, relieving some of that hormonal pressure, lets you be more relaxed and less desperate when you’re trying to have a conversation with a hottie.

Or so quick on the draw should nature take it’s course, :wink: I may be old, but my memory is in tact.

 

Porn sucks for the most part because its mechanical, stripped of humanity and passion. Of course, sometime masturbation is just as mechanical. No sin in that either, to everything it’s season.

Oh incidentally, you may appreciate something my Dad used to like saying, “It’s just not a spectator sport.”