well, now you've proven your ignorance. Every Western European country is more socialistoc than the US. So is Canada. Are you claiming they are all Communist? You apparently don't know any more what a Communist is than what a socialist is. If you had half a clue you wouldn't call Bernie Sanders a socialist.Lois, I think you have a typo here. I don’t think you want to say that Bernie is not a socialist do you? Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I have never heard Bernie Sanders say he wants the US government to own all means of production. That would be socialism. No, I don't think you know what socialism is. You just decided it's a mindless insult to throw around every time someone suggests that we shouldn't sell the US to the highest bidder ot allow people to suffer and die. You also throw around the word Communism, as if you knew what that means, as well. As soon as someone starts throwing around terms he is ignorant of because he thinks they're insults, the debate is over. Actually, as far as your input is concerned it was over a long time ago.
But, the thing is Trump's whole business expertise is luxury resorts, casinos, golf courses, and licensing his name. What little development work he's done sounds like fiascos. Oh yeah, guess he ran the Beauty Pageant too. ;-PDonald Trump says he 'got out' of stock market - Aug. 2, 2016 Yippy The article points out that Trump’s stock market investments were mainly hotels. ... Godman Sachs is kind of giving the same advice in stocks as Trump in the article. ... Trump’s financial disclosures shows Mr. Trump has also invested in companies he has previously criticized, such as Apple, Amazon and the parent company of Oreo. Oh yeah that proves he's sooo knowledgeable, smartest guy in the room. Funny how you dance around inconvenient information. Where’s your logic? Do you think spin is acceptable here like in the news? This from one of the spinmasters of all time? You don't even know whan you're spinning.
well, now you've proven your ignorance. Every Western European country is more socialistoc than the US. So is Canada. Are you claiming they are all Communist? You apparently don't know any more what a Communist is than what a socialist is. If you had half a clue you wouldn't call Bernie Sanders a socialist.Lois, I think you have a typo here. I don’t think you want to say that Bernie is not a socialist do you? Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I have never heard Bernie Sanders say he wants the US government to own all means of production. That would be socialism. No, I don't think you know what socialism is. You just decided it's a mindless insult to throw around every time someone suggests that we shouldn't sell the US to the highest bidder ot allow people to suffer and die. You also throw around the word Communism, as if you knew what that means, as well. As soon as someone starts throwing around terms he is ignorant of because he thinks they're insults, the debate is over. Actually, as far as your input is concerned it was over a long time ago. Just got in late, don't have time to answer all the posts. Lois, yours is the easiest. Bernie calls himself a socialist. Is that not correct? Is your point, Bernie Sanders is wrong and doesn't know his political identity, and his claim to be a socialist is wrong? Bernie is now with Hillary on her campaign trail. Is that not correct? They are doing joint appearances talking about the economy that will work for all the people, and not just the rich. Is that not correct? Hillary is now agreeing with some of Sanders plans on items like parts of his college education and health care proposals. Is that not correct? Hillary is trying to coalesce Sanders followers and she may be enough of a socialist to do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw Go to 9:09 if you want to save time. Professor Richard Wolff. BERNIE SANDERS ADMITS HE IS A SOCIALIST https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psp-r68mo8k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg
Mike, do you know the difference between socialism and communism?
How do communist and socialist political theories differ from each other?
While communism and socialism share many principles (in fact, some would say communism is an extreme form of socialism), the primary difference between the two is that communism is both an economic and political system, while socialism is only an economic system, and as such can exist within a number of political systems or even within parts of a larger economic system, such as capitalism. Other notable differences exist around the concepts of personal ownership (socialism maintains the concept of personal property ownership, while communism removes it) and personal choice (socialism maintains personal choice in areas like education and religion, while communism removes it).
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Bernie Sanders does not believe in a state run country. He wants to share some of the wealth of the nation with the least of us, such as good healthcare for all, good education for all. What you want to do with such a head start in life, is up to you.
Consider our poor standing in education and a wasteful health care system, compared to the rest of the developed countries.
p.s. it is a value shared by Hillary and the majority of the nation.
We already have Social(ist) Services . Are you complaining about those also?
Mike, do you know the difference between socialism and communism?I did not know we were talking about communism. What I was comparing is socialism and capitalism. I have nothing against socialism if it is balanced with capitalism. History has shown that the best systems in the past were a combination of the two when there was a system used to balance the two. That for example was the job of the Pharaoh, to keep the system balanced. The system would get out of balance on the average of once every twenty years and have to be rebalanced. Germany was using the system and it got out of balance in the 1920’s then changed for political reasons. I agree with Professor Richard Wolff.How do communist and socialist political theories differ from each other? While communism and socialism share many principles (in fact, some would say communism is an extreme form of socialism), the primary difference between the two is that communism is both an economic and political system, while socialism is only an economic system, and as such can exist within a number of political systems or even within parts of a larger economic system, such as capitalism. Other notable differences exist around the concepts of personal ownership (socialism maintains the concept of personal property ownership, while communism removes it) and personal choice (socialism maintains personal choice in areas like education and religion, while communism removes it). Reference: www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism https://www.bing.com/search?q=Socialism+vs+Communism&FORM=R5FD3Bernie Sanders does not believe in a state run country. He wants to share some of the wealth of the nation with the least of us, such as good healthcare for all, good education for all. What you want to do with such a head start in life, is up to you. Consider our poor standing in education and a wasteful health care system, compared to the rest of the developed countries. p.s. it is a value shared by Hillary and the majority of the nation. We already have Social(ist) Services . Are you complaining about those also?
A system run by corporate monopolies that suck up other corporations until a few private interests own most businesses, and are in fact larger than government entities, has very very little to do with Capitalism.
Mike, do you know the difference between socialism and communism?I did not know we were talking about communism. What I was comparing is socialism and capitalism. I have nothing against socialism if it is balanced with capitalism. History has shown that the best systems in the past were a combination of the two when there was a system used to balance the two. That for example was the job of the Pharaoh, to keep the system balanced. The system would get out of balance on the average of once every twenty years and have to be rebalanced. Germany was using the system and it got out of balance in the 1920’s then changed for political reasons. I agree with Professor Richard Wolff. I just quoted that Socialism is not Communism and not incompatible with Capitalism. However, unrestricted Capitalism is incompatible with common Social Services for all.How do communist and socialist political theories differ from each other? While communism and socialism share many principles (in fact, some would say communism is an extreme form of socialism), the primary difference between the two is that communism is both an economic and political system, while socialism is only an economic system, and as such can exist within a number of political systems or even within parts of a larger economic system, such as capitalism. Other notable differences exist around the concepts of personal ownership (socialism maintains the concept of personal property ownership, while communism removes it) and personal choice (socialism maintains personal choice in areas like education and religion, while communism removes it). Reference: www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism https://www.bing.com/search?q=Socialism+vs+Communism&FORM=R5FD3Bernie Sanders does not believe in a state run country. He wants to share some of the wealth of the nation with the least of us, such as good healthcare for all, good education for all. What you want to do with such a head start in life, is up to you. Consider our poor standing in education and a wasteful health care system, compared to the rest of the developed countries. p.s. it is a value shared by Hillary and the majority of the nation. We already have Social(ist) Services . Are you complaining about those also?
Mike, do you know the difference between socialism and communism?I did not know we were talking about communism. What I was comparing is socialism and capitalism. I have nothing against socialism if it is balanced with capitalism. History has shown that the best systems in the past were a combination of the two when there was a system used to balance the two. That for example was the job of the Pharaoh, to keep the system balanced. The system would get out of balance on the average of once every twenty years and have to be rebalanced. Germany was using the system and it got out of balance in the 1920’s then changed for political reasons. I agree with Professor Richard Wolff. I just quoted that Socialism is not Communism and not incompatible with Capitalism. However, unrestricted Capitalism is incompatible with common Social Services for all. Sorry, I been in a hurry lately. I reread and agree with you posting. My understanding is that we should run from communism, but embrace socialism in the proper areas of government. The best system is a balance of the two (Soc/Cap). I found it interesting that Egypt who used both systems had to rebalance about every twenty years, Or each generation. And it was the socialist side that most of the time had to be readjusted. But it was not the socialist actions, it was the capitalist actions of the socialist (temples) that cause the wealth to end up at the temples. It was said that when the system was out of balance, the world was out of balance and the people were not happy. Once the world was re-balanced the people were happy again. Are we as a people happy today? Think about the pharaoh’s job. The people knew that each hour of the night, the pharaoh had to fight evil and win or the sun would not rise in the morning. And then the pharaoh traveled up and down the Nile making sure the world was in balance and the people were happy. The temples took care of the people with education, medical, birth, marriage, death and most importantly the music, entertainment and song. The capitalist system kept the people clothed, fed, the oil lamps burning and most importantly the wine jars full.How do communist and socialist political theories differ from each other? While communism and socialism share many principles (in fact, some would say communism is an extreme form of socialism), the primary difference between the two is that communism is both an economic and political system, while socialism is only an economic system, and as such can exist within a number of political systems or even within parts of a larger economic system, such as capitalism. Other notable differences exist around the concepts of personal ownership (socialism maintains the concept of personal property ownership, while communism removes it) and personal choice (socialism maintains personal choice in areas like education and religion, while communism removes it). Reference: www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism https://www.bing.com/search?q=Socialism+vs+Communism&FORM=R5FD3Bernie Sanders does not believe in a state run country. He wants to share some of the wealth of the nation with the least of us, such as good healthcare for all, good education for all. What you want to do with such a head start in life, is up to you. Consider our poor standing in education and a wasteful health care system, compared to the rest of the developed countries. p.s. it is a value shared by Hillary and the majority of the nation. We already have Social(ist) Services . Are you complaining about those also?
Mike, do you know the difference between socialism and communism?I did not know we were talking about communism. What I was comparing is socialism and capitalism. I have nothing against socialism if it is balanced with capitalism. History has shown that the best systems in the past were a combination of the two when there was a system used to balance the two. That for example was the job of the Pharaoh, to keep the system balanced. The system would get out of balance on the average of once every twenty years and have to be rebalanced. Germany was using the system and it got out of balance in the 1920’s then changed for political reasons. I agree with Professor Richard Wolff. I just quoted that Socialism is not Communism and not incompatible with Capitalism. However, unrestricted Capitalism is incompatible with common Social Services for all. Sorry, I been in a hurry lately. I reread and agree with you posting. My understanding is that we should run from communism, but embrace socialism in the proper areas of government. The best system is a balance of the two (Soc/Cap). I prefer to call it a socio-economic system.How do communist and socialist political theories differ from each other? While communism and socialism share many principles (in fact, some would say communism is an extreme form of socialism), the primary difference between the two is that communism is both an economic and political system, while socialism is only an economic system, and as such can exist within a number of political systems or even within parts of a larger economic system, such as capitalism. Other notable differences exist around the concepts of personal ownership (socialism maintains the concept of personal property ownership, while communism removes it) and personal choice (socialism maintains personal choice in areas like education and religion, while communism removes it). Reference: www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism https://www.bing.com/search?q=Socialism+vs+Communism&FORM=R5FD3Bernie Sanders does not believe in a state run country. He wants to share some of the wealth of the nation with the least of us, such as good healthcare for all, good education for all. What you want to do with such a head start in life, is up to you. Consider our poor standing in education and a wasteful health care system, compared to the rest of the developed countries. p.s. it is a value shared by Hillary and the majority of the nation. We already have Social(ist) Services . Are you complaining about those also?
I found it interesting that Egypt who used both systems had to rebalance about every twenty years, Or each generation. And it was the socialist side that most of the time had to be readjusted. But it was not the socialist actions, it was the capitalist actions of the socialist (temples) that cause the wealth to end up at the temples. It was said that when the system was out of balance, the world was out of balance and the people were not happy. Once the world was re-balanced the people were happy again. Are we as a people happy today?Compared to were we started, the near collapse of our entire economy, caused by Capitalist Creative Financing, yes, we are a hell of a lot better off today than 8 years ago
Think about the pharaoh’s job. The people knew that each hour of the night, the pharaoh had to fight evil and win or the sun would not rise in the morning. And then the pharaoh traveled up and down the Nile making sure the world was in balance and the people were happy. The temples took care of the people with education, medical, birth, marriage, death and most importantly the music, entertainment and song. The capitalist system kept the people clothed, fed, the oil lamps burning and most importantly the wine jars full.Yes, for the rich and powerful, just as it is today. The thing is that a large percentage of the economy rests on natural resources of the nation, which is the property of the people, but that wealth does not trickle down very far. That's why we have many people, including veterans sleeping on the streets or in their car. That indicates a Social adjustment must be made in the economic system. One solution is a sliding tax scale, which has worked in the past. When Bill Clinton left office he left behind a *surplus*, which was immediately redistributed, mainly to the rich. by GW. And as I mentioned before the then vice-president Cheney forced the adoption of the Halliburton loophole, an anti-social exemption from EPA regulation, resulting in little or no oversight on activities which intruded or even damaged private property. But I am happy we are in agreement about a balance between free enterprise and social responsibility.
Compared to were we started, the near collapse of our entire economy, caused by Capitalist Creative Financing, yes, we are a hell of a lot better off today than 8 years agoIt seems that there is no consensus on the stimulus program whether it is socialist or capitalist. It started with Bush, but some are saying because of a weak capitalist system they had to use the stimulus. That is why it is considered the Bush-Obama stimulus. All I saw was a lot of fraud and mismanagement. Are we better off? Well of course. If you print, guessing because of all this lack of government transparence, about $27,000.00 for every man, woman and child. If we were not better off, then something is wrong. And something is wrong because we are supposed to be better off because of all the new industries and jobs. And that is not the case.
This (original) topic interests me because I personally know at least one Bernie supporter. Unfortunately, as I waded through page after page of debate on the merits and flaws of Donald, Hilary and Bernie, I couldn’t find anything addressing the original topic (I may have dozed off).
My point is, and this is from communication directly with the burned out Bernie element, discussing Donald, Hilary and Bernie is no longer relevant. They have crossed over into the realm of pure delusion.
As with the Libertarians, they now believe the only solution is to destroy the two party system and go the way of multiple parties (like the U.K. I presume; and that works swimmingly doesn’t it [sarcasm]). Sure, let’s have 5 parties so we can elect a president with just over 20% of the vote!
Secondly, they seriously believe that Jill Stein will make the best POTUS and that mathematically she can win.
If you try to present the historically proven argument that a 3rd Party liberal or conservative candidate sucks votes away from the Major Party liberal or conservative candidate, you are increasing the odds of the candidate with the opposite philosophy getting in. “Nonsense!" they say (as I imagine them sticking their fingers in their ears). Jill can win! Jill can win! Hilary evil! Donald evil! Bernie traitor!
So go ahead and argue capitalism vs. socialism; conservatism vs. liberalism; rich man vs. common man. You’re wasting your time if you think you’ll change the opinion of a burned out Bernie supporter. They are whack-a-doodles for whom logic has no relevance. They are the Left Wing equivalent of the Tea Party. They are wishers and dreamers with no feel for reality. And they may get Trump into the White House. If I were in the GOP hierarchy, I’d be throwing money Jill’s way. A vote for the Green Party is a vote for Trump.