Avoid Lyme disease, Leptospirosis, and Periodontal Vaccine
Dr.Patricia Jordan, DVM
The leptospirosis portion of the DHLPP (distemper) vaccine for dogs has a reputation for being the most likely portion to cause vaccine reactions. This is largely because of the size of the organism. (Most vaccine is directed against viruses that are barely bigger than complicated molecules. Theleptospirosis organism is a bacterium, meaning it is enormous and more complicated than any virus. The more complicated the organism, the more likely the reaction. That said, in the aforementioned study of over one million dogs, the leptospirosis vaccine was not found to be more likely to cause a reaction. This may be because of improved vaccine technology and using only portions of the organism rather than the entire bacterium. Other leptospirosis vaccine may not be as well produced as the one that happened to be used in this study so, as a precaution you can request that this portion be left out of your dog’s vaccine.) The Lyme disease organism is also a bacterium as is the periodontal vaccine (the Porphyromonas vaccine). Again, larger vaccine organisms tend to produce more reactions.
Avoid Giving Several Vaccinations at one Time
Keep in mind that vaccines given within two weeks of each other can interfere with each other so you do not want to separate vaccines by less than a two week period but separating vaccine can mean your pet has less stimulation to deal with at one time. Breaking up vaccines also helps determine which vaccine is the culprit.
Do Not have your Pet Vaccinated at a Vaccine Clinic
Vaccination clinics are designed to provide streamlined service for healthy pets in need of their regular immunizations. These clinics are generally not prepared for the individual attention required by a pet who has a history of vaccination reaction. A pet with a vaccine reaction history should receive some special attention in the form of observation in the hospital and/or pre-treatment with anti-inflammatory medication.
Allen M. Schoen, D.V.M., M.S. - “As far as prevention goes, this is a sticky wicket. There is a great deal of controversy concerning the dog Lyme vaccine. There is a great debate about how well they actually work as well as potential side effects. There are publications concerning its safety, but the researchers only look 24 hours after the vaccine reaction. Research at Cornell University veterinary school brings up some suspicion that there may be potential long term side effects of the vaccine, though nothing is certain. These side effects may vary from rheumatoid arthritis and all the major symptoms of lyme disease to acute kidney failure. Though nothing is definitively documented, I personally am very cautious and do not recommend vaccinating for Lyme disease even though it is so epidemic here. Many veterinary schools and major veterinary centers do not recommend the vaccine for the same concern regarding potential side effects. I have seen all the symptoms of Lyme disease in dogs four to eight weeks after the vaccine and when I sent the western blot test to Cornell, it shows no evidence of the disease, only evidence of the dog having been vaccinated, yet the dog shows all the classic symptoms of the disease. There is a new dog vaccine out that claims that it does not have any of the side effects, however, I still remain cautious and will wait for a year or two to see. I personally would rather treat my dog for Lyme disease rather than risking the potential side effects of the vaccine. In addition, there is a question of actually how well it works. Until more safety and decreased risk of side effects and efficacy are demonstrated, I recommend holding off.”
Vaccines…Good Medicine or Bad Advice?
by Russell Swift, DVM
Homeopaths have referred to vaccine induced problems as “vaccinosis” for decades. From my experience and that of others, I say without reservation that many chronic diseases are caused by vaccinations. I often find that a health problem began shortly after vaccination. I am certain this is no coincidence. Fortunately, homeopathy can help. Unfortunately, vaccines are a BILLION dollar industry and vets make a large part of their income from them. Despite the new findings, there is no move to reduce vaccine use. Most use the excuse that they don’t want to be sued should an animal become ill. Another rationalization is that some pets are not protected despite vaccination therefore, it is best to vaccinate every pet to be safe. If vets knew how much damage they were doing, I believe most would change. There is too much power and money promoting more vaccines. Vets are inundated with sales people, advertisements and marketing materials telling them how important and lucrative vaccines are.
Dr. Richard H. Pitcairn, D.V.M., Ph.D - “In the process of training as a doctor or veterinarian, one goes in as a relatively naive young person. The conditioning is heavy; it costs a lot of money, and of course you want to do well. Students are told how wonderful vaccines are, and they don’t really question it; they accept as a fact that they’re these great boons to health, are never harmful, and have saved a lot of lives—it’s black and white. The companies making the vaccines have great amounts of money and influence to campaign and advertise. You have a situation on the one hand where doctors are conditioned to accept, and on the other hand companies powerful enough to squelch negative comment.”
Dr. Driston Sherman, DVM - " When I was doing primary allopathic medicine, I saw two things. One is that within an hour after the vaccination was given, the animal was having trouble breathing or may have had redness of the skin. The other thing I saw quite often was usually about twelve to twenty-four hours after being vaccinated, animals with fever, loss of appetite, sleeping a lot, sometimes vomitting or diarrhea. Most of those cases usually took care of themselves without any intervention within twenty-four hours. Now that I’m doing holistic medicine, it’s really intriguing to look at the medical histories of animals. One case that comes to mind is a cat with a history of these horrible-looking sores that occurred exactly 30 days after being vaccinated - two years in a row. You may want to call that coincidence. I have my suspicions but I can’t say , for sure, what caused these conditions, which is very frustrating."
Immune-mediated hematological disease and transient bone marrow failure are increasingly recognized sequelae of…vaccination. … Postvacinal polyneuropathy is a recognized entity associated with…vaccines. …Adverse reactions to vaccination have also recently been reported with increasing frequency in cats." (Dr. Dodds, 1990)
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Veterinary Vaccines are Big Money for Many Vets—and Even Bigger Money for Big Pharma
Without some driving force for change, there is no motivation for the industry to change the most lucrative part of its practice. Many vets cling to annual vaccine schedules because of economic dependence more than maintaining a “cautious" standard of care. This is particularly true for the typical small vet practices (1-3 people, non-specialty, non-emergency practices).
Consider this… One dose of rabies vaccine costs the vet about 61 cents. The client is typically charged between $15 and $38, plus a $35 office visit. The markup on the vaccine alone is 2,400 percent to 6,200 percent—a markup equivalent to charging $217 for a loaf of bread. According to one estimate, removing the one-year rabies vaccination and consequential office visit for dogs alone would decrease the average small vet’s income from $87,000 to $25,000—and this doesn’t include cats or other vaccinations.
According to James Schwartz, author of Trust Me, I’m Not a Veterinarian, 63 percent of canine and 70 percent of feline vet office visits are for vaccinations. Clearly, radically changing the vaccine schedule for dogs and cats would result in a huge economic loss for any veterinary practice that is built around shots. And chances are the vaccines you are paying so much for are creating even more income for vets, because the adverse reactions and other medical issues caused by the vaccines keep Fluffy coming back often!
The profits for vets pale in comparison to the profits being enjoyed by vaccine manufacturers. Veterinary vaccine sales amounted to more than $3.2 million in 2004 and have risen 7 percent per year since 2000. This figure is projected to exceed $4 billion in 2009. Six companies account for more than 70percent of world veterinary vaccine sales. The market leader is Intervet, with sales of almost $600 million in 2004. That’s a whole lot of 61-cent vaccines. The United States has by far the largest share of the national market with revenues of $935 million, and Japan comes in second with $236 million.
Vaccinosis and inflammatory bowel disease
by Dr. Michael E Dym VMD
“This research is likely alarmingly occurring with the epidemic levels of inflammatory bowel disease in our pets seen over the past few decades that was rare 30 years ago”
Directly from human medical research, we have definitive proof of a linkage between polyvalent viral vaccines and inflammatory bowel disease, in particular the combination MMR vaccine and Crohn’s disease and/or ulcerative colitis(the same thing?) in susceptible children. In his masterful research Andrew Wakefield, MD, a prominent British gastroenterologist, documented measles virus infection in the intestinal walls of nearly 0 of the autistic children he scoped and biopsied, who developed their disease within a short time after MMR vaccination. All of the normally developing children did not have any evidence of measles virus infection or histopathologic evidence of Crohn’s or ulcerative colitis. I believe that he did actually document that the measles virus found in the intestinal walls of these autistic children who developed the disease was vaccine measles virus strain, which he showed via DNA analysis. And while Dr. Wakefield is not anti-vaccine, he has lectured that if the vaccines were given monovalently, that such problems had not been seen. Unfortunately, Dr. Wakefield was recently asked to resign from his position because the results of his research was unpopular. According to his work, Dr. Wakefield theorizes that the measles virus infection and subsequent pathology in the gut walls leads to a leaky-gut like syndrome causing absorption of encephelopathic toxins which directly affects the developing brains of susceptible children leading to autistic like symptoms.
This above research is likely alarmingly occurring with the epidemic levels of inflammatory bowel disease in our pets seen over the past few decades that was rare 30 years ago. Just think how many POLYVALENTLY vaccinated dogs with distemper (a measles virus) are suffering such chronic infections and pathology in their intestines. I wish that someone would do the research in pets, but of course we all know that this will never happen. But I wonder how many academically-oriented veterinary gastroenterologists would be interested in reading Dr. Wakefield’s research, and examining this issue in our dogs and cats, who are the true victims here. At least it would open up for academic discussion potential origins of this “new” disease of the past few decades.
How many out there are seeing such a link clinically in their patients. Of course not all of these pets are scoped and biopsied, but there are certainly mega numbers of dogs and cats whose appetites change forever, and who develop vague chronic waxing and waning GI symptoms which clients just live with (i.e. the maltese who vomits bile once or twice a month, or the occasional “hairball” vomiting cat) and who vets dismiss as variants of normal. And what about all of those pets with vague GI symptoms who also have mental/emotional disorders or active CNS diseases like epilepsy. Andrew Wakefield’s work truly clicks with me in all of these possibilities.
Of course homeopathically, we do not constitutionally prescribe based on types of viral infections or pathology, but such work does lend credence to the pet vaccinosis epidemic other than looking at adjuvants in the rabies or leukemia virus vaccines as the sole contributors to perceived rare vaccine-induced disease by our allopathic colleagues. I hope Andrew Wakefield’s work is at some point examined with regards to relevance in veterinary medicine. Just tonight, I had a new client come in whose dog had developed transient bloody/mucousy diarrhea after every vaccine, and after its last round a few months ago, has had non-relenting colitis signs, and bowels as thick as rope on my exam, which would like be characterized as severe chronic idiopathic inflammatory bowel disease by most of our colleagues.
My pug, MuShu, almost died twice from routine vaccinations.
had always been vaccinated and given her booster shots since she was 8 weeks old. I had done everything my vet had told me to do. After all, I love my dog and wanted her to have a healthy happy life. When MuShu was 5 yrs. old, I took her in for her routine vaccines. I live about 5 min. from my vet clinic and by the time I got home with her and got into the house, she was scratching herself like crazy. Even draging her tummy across the floor and rolling all around. When I looked at her closer, I saw she had developed hives all over. She then got up to come to me and could not walk in a straight line. She vomited and fell over and could not get up. I grabed my keys and MuShu and threw her into the car. We practically flew back to the Vet clinic.
I ran into the office and yelled “my dog is dying!”. The vet tech came out and grabbed her from my arms and went into the back with her. I was hot on her heels as I was not going to let her out of my sight. The Dr. came in and administered some benadryl and told me to stay with her and watch her. They came in and checked on her every 5 min. or so. After about 1 hour. it seemed the crisis was over and she was becoming her old self again. I asked the Dr. what on earth had happened and he said she had a reaction to the vaccine she was given.
When I asked him if it would ever happen again, he said probably not. Little did I know. About 6 mos. later, it was time for MuShu to have her Rabies vaccine. This is required by law and I thought I had to comply. I reminded the Vet about her reaction to the last shots and her told me that there was no way she would have the same reaction because it was a different shot and carrier in the shot. With his reassurance, I got MuShu the shot.
She seemed fine at first but after about an hour later, I saw the hives and the itching starting all over again. This time the Vet came over to my house and gave her some benadryl and stayed to watch her recovery. I have since learned that, armed with a letter from my vet. I no longer have to get her any vaccines as she is exempt due to severe reactions. I will never get her another vaccine again. I keep her healthy and strong by feeding her a raw food diet and giving her Transfer Factor to keep her immune system strong. I also have another dog, a cat and a horse. All are given the best diet I can give them and Transfer Factor. I do have to give my new dog Rabies shots, however they are followed up with a homeopathic remedy to lesson any side affects.
Read other testimonials of vaccine adverse reaction and recovery: horse and dog
Urgent action is needed!
The New York Legislature has introduced misguided bills – S02164 and A14253 – which would require boarding kennels and grooming facilities to obtain proof of ANNUAL VACCINATION “against distemper, hepatitis, para influenza, leptospirosis, parvo and bordetella during the previous year" for dogs and “against feline viral rhinotracheitis, feline calicivirus,or feline panleuopenia within the past year" for cats engaging their services.
dog licking air Photos: Excessive licking of the air and licking of the paws Dr. Blanco, D.V.M - “You take healthy animals and often very quickly after you vaccinate, you can see simple things like itching of the skin or excessive Dog licking Paw licking of the paws, sometimes even with no eruptions and licking of the air. We see a lot of epilepsy, often after a rabies vaccination. Or dogs or cats can become aggressive for several days. Frequently, you’ll see urinary tract infections in cats, often within three months after their [annual] vaccination. If you step back, open your mind and heart, you’ll start to see patterns of illness post-vaccination.”
Bob Rogers, DVM - “We are harming pets by causing fibrosarcomas, possibly hypothyroidism and IMHA. The research has been done to support reduced vaccination recommendations. More importantly research shows that unnecessarily repeating vaccines has no effect. The AVMA Council on Biologic and Therapeutic Agents concluded that no research exists to support our present prevailing recommendations. Drs like Ford, Schultz and Wolf have presented the data and made persuasive arguments with persistence and dignity. After 7 years less than 7% of Veterinarians have changed. I feel it is fair to say many refuse to listen. I have filed complaints about Veterinarians giving unnecessary vaccines. I am truly saddened that my complaints have been necessary. I do not think Veterinarians are intentionally committing fraud. Ask yourself if the public has a right to know the truth and make informed decisions on their pet’s health.”
Vaccination Social Violence and Criminality-The medical assault on the American Brain Vaccination, Social Violence, and Criminality : The Medical Assault on the American Brainby Harris L. Coulter Ph.D.
Harris Coulter, Ph.D. - “Physicians have always known that encephalitis, or inflammation of the brain, …can be caused by traumatic injury to the head, a severe burn, infectious illnesses such as measles, mumps, German measles, chicken pox, or whooping cough, and — last but not least — the vaccines against these same diseases: ‘post-vaccinal encephalitis.’” Vaccination being one of the causes of several serious social problems of our day, incuding violence and aggressiveness. Although Coulter doesn’t feel that the vaccination program is responsible for every case of such disabilities and social problems, he is sure that it makes a substantial contribution.
Coulter talked about encephalitis having physical, neurologic, mental, and emotional symptoms. A variety of syndromes can occur because any portion of the nervous system can be affected. This applies to our pets as well as our kids.
Vaccinations may even contribute to premature death in animals whose immune systems were already compromised, some veterinarians believe. “I had two situations where we had spent a long time building up two older, severely immunocompromised dogs, and then their owners had them vaccinated for just about everything known to man,” recalled Dr. Carvel Tiekert, executive director and founder of the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association headquartered in Bel Air, Maryland. “Both of those dogs died within about a month of vaccination. Can we prove a cause and effect? No. Do I think there was a cause and effect? Yes.”
One of my rescued dog suffered from severe painful inflamation of its paws as a result of vaccination. I treated him with homeopathic remedies to help remove the vaccine poisons and to detox him. I also boosted his immune system with raw food diet, flaxseed oil, greens, and Transfer Factor. He eventually recovered.
IF YOU HAVE A DOG OR CAT: DON’T VACCINATE until you read this book!
In this compact, easy-to-understand volume, John Clifton explains the very real risks involved every time a dog or cat gets a shot. The major veterinary associations now agree that vaccinations can trigger all sorts of maladies, from allergies to cancer - but most pet caretakers (and many veterinarians, it seems) haven’t gotten the word. This is an important book for every pet owner to read. In a conversational, direct, non-technical voice it guides the reader in formulating an intelligent approach to animal vaccinations. Clifton lays out all the major issues: whether to vaccinate or not, which shots to give and which to avoid, how to know if and when a shot should be repeated. And, importantly, the risks in over-vaccinating. Holistic as well as orthodox medical opinions are presented. Despite the title, readers are not advised flat out to abandon vaccinations. Rather, they are encouraged to learn about the risks and benefits - and “stop the shots” until they are fully informed. This book tells you: all you need to know about vaccinating and NOT vaccinating your pet.
- how to tailor a plan for YOUR pet.
- what LEADING VETERINARY ORGANIZATIONS are saying about over-vaccinating.
- what your veterinarian may NOT tell you!
Veterinary Vaccine Injury Act
It is imperative that veterinarians educate their clients concerning the associated risks of vaccines. Pet owners need to make educated decisions regarding the care of their beloved pets. Standardized handouts describing the benefits and risks of vaccinations are warranted and should be distributed by veterinarians to all animal lovers. In addition, standardized vaccination waivers should also be available for caretakers whose animals are prone to adverse reactions. This also applies to animals with chronic health conditions to insure that caretakers are not penalized for taking the necessary medical precautions. Truth in Labeling law for Rabies vaccines is a must . Unbeknown to many animal lovers, and with the USDA’s approval, some three-year rabies vaccines are relabeled and used as one year products. Pet owners are generally unaware of the fact that their animals are being over-vaccinated by receiving a full three-year dose every year. The government, in cooperation with the veterinary professional community, should enact and enforce a “standard” set of administrative guidelines concerning: a). the frequency and location of any vaccination and b). accurate record keeping for both feline and canine vaccinations; taking into consideration each animal’s lifestyle, health and age. Veterinarians should then be held accountable to this “standard of care”.
Feline Chronic Renal Failure (CRF) and Vaccine Link
By Jean Hofve, DVM
It has long been known that CRF in cats has an inflammatory component. Chronic low-grade inflammation causes gradual destruction and scarring of the kidney, eventually resulting in loss of function and failure of the organ. However, what was not known was what caused the inflammation in the first place. Recent research from Colorado State University suggests a link between vaccination for feline distemper (panleukopenia) and the development of CRF. The distemper virus is grown in a feline kidney cell culture to make the vaccine. Earlier research at Purdue University showed that puppies given a vaccine grown in calf serum developed antibodies to calf proteins that also reacted against the puppies’ own cells. These auto-antibodies (antibodies to self, or to one’s own tissues) may contribute to later development of autoimmune diseases. Every subsequent vaccine caused the puppies to form even more antibodies
Frustrated with the Failures of Conventional Veterinary Medicine:
Charles E Loops DVM - “After 10 years of traditional veterinary practice I became tired of having no treatment for chronic disease, incurable conditions, and a plethora of allergic maladies which seem to plague all veterinary practices. I was frustrated with giving animals cortisone because I had no other solutions, or using antibiotics for infections which I knew were of viral origin. There is so much that can be done for an animal, bird, or reptile that is ailing by utilizing homeopathic medicine.”
THE VACCINATION DILEMMA and YOUR HEALTHY COMPANIONS
by Dr Charles E Loops DVM
Homeopathic veterinarians and other holistic practitioners have maintained for some time that vaccinations do more harm than they provide benefits. Vaccinations represent a major assault on the body’s immune system. Attentuated organisms or chemicalled killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the blood stream, an unnatural route of infection. This profound insult, avoiding the body’s first line of defenses, and flooding the system with millions of organisms or viral particles, stresses the immune system in a way not of natures design. This insult causes irregularities and abnormalities in the immune system which then manifests as chronic diseases in animals.
These chronic diseases range from life-threatening conditions such as auto-immune crises to conditions destroying the quality of life of an animal as in chronic skin allergies. What we are now seeing are generations of over-vaccinated animals and these current offspring are suffering the penalty of this medical abuse. In an attempt to control a naturally occurring process of population control and survival of the fittest, the medical establishment has convinced people that mass innoculations are for the good of all, overlooking the health of the individual. Where vaccinations have helped in eradicating or reducing the incidence of severe, acute disease processes, the result has been to plague humanity with more insiduous, chronic diseases that are much more difficult to treat and that lower the quality of life for many individual animals and people. In all of this, there needs to be BALANCE, and the following are my recommendations for vaccinating or not vaccinating and some comments about diet. 1. Puppies under three months of age should not be vaccinated. Vaccinations are much more stressful on the underdeveloped immune system.
Also, these vaccinations are much less effective at providing immunity before three months of age. If you feel you must vaccinate, do so with one vaccination of Distemper at three months, followed by a vaccination for Parvovirus at four months of age, and stop with that. If you can’t find a single Distemper vaccine use the Distemper-measles combination. Use killed vaccines only.
- Kittens should only be vaccinated for Panleukopenia and not before three months of age. All other vaccinations should be avoided. One vaccine is sufficient.
- Puppies and kittens can be given homeopathic nosodes beginning at three weeks of age, if there is a potential for exposure to Distemper, Parvovirus, or Panleukopenia. These nosodes can be used until vaccinations are given or continued periodically for the first year of life, if vaccinations are not given. Common sense should be used in avoiding exposure of very young animals to other, possible unhealthy, animals of the same species.
- Booster vaccinations are completely unnecessary. Studies are now showing that these vaccinations are effective for many years and most probably for life. Vaccinated animals do not need any boosters. Homeopathic nosodes can be given periodically if you are concerned or if you think your animals live a high risk, life style.
- Rabies Vaccinations should be given as dictated by state laws. Lyssin, the homeopathic nosode, should be given within a few hours after the vaccination. Clearly, the rabies vaccination is effective for many years more than state laws require booster vaccination.
- Booster vaccinations can cause SEVERE set-backs when an animal is being treated homeopathically for chronic problems. They can completely erase any progress that has been made towards improving an animal’s health.
- My personal recommendation is NOT to vaccinate at all. The best road to good health is feeding a diet rich in fresh foods, raw meats for the carnivores, and avoiding vaccinations and allopathic medications. Antbiotics and other allopathic drugs should only be used in situations where their use is clearly indicated, and this should be only in potentially, life-threatening situations. Every time you suppress a symptom the body produces, you are potentially lowering the health status of the body system. Treating with the correctly prescribed, homeopathic remedy, herbs, or other non-invasive therapies, not of a chemical nature, will enhance your health and your companions health.
- Puppies under three months of age should not be vaccinated.
- Kittens should only be vaccinated for Panleukopenia and not before three months of age.
- Puppies and kittens can be given homeopathic nosodes beginning at three weeks of age
- Booster vaccinations are completely unnecessary.
- My personal recommendation is NOT to vaccinate at all (Click the headline for details)
WHAT VETS DON’T TELL YOU ABOUT VACCINES
Shock to the System by Catherine O’Driscoll is a sequel to ‘What Vets Don’t Tell You About Vaccines’. It covers the latest information on the vaccine issue, and puts the other pieces of the puzzle into the picture. Diet, environmental toxins, pharmaceuticals and stress all play a part in the health of companion animals. This book will make you cry and aware of the scam that is the mainstay of the veterinary field. It is well researched and written. The truth about the terrible suffering of pets and their owners and what can be done to protect your animals from the drug companies and ignorant vets. This information can save your animals and give you the facts to present to your vet if he/she does not keep up with current science. A must for anyone who loves animals and wants to keep them safe and healthy.
Catherine O’Driscoll is the founder of Canine Health Concern in the UK. Canine Health Concern offers a certified study programme – the Foundation in Canine Healthcare – to help you to take good care of your dogs. This programme also has another aim, and this is to build a worldwide network of Animal Advocates – people who understand the scientific and experiential facts about canine healthcare, and who are not influenced by the advertising propaganda of big business.
Vets are, sadly, educated in colleges which must accept funding from commercial concerns. Often this funding is given on the understanding that the sponsor’s commercial message is respected within the curriculum. For example, ask your vet how many hours or days were spent discussing canine dietary requirements, and whether the lecturer was independent of commercial propaganda or, indeed, whether the lecturer was an employee of a pet food company. You will find the answers somewhat disconcerting. Become, instead, your own expert – and enjoy life with your animal friends, without constantly having to tend to illnesses.
Canine Health Concern’s educational programme is based upon ten years of research; our work is sufficiently credible to be featured in a prime time TV documentary – World in Action. Catherine O’Driscoll’s book, ‘What Vets Don’t Tell You About Vaccines’ is an official best-seller that forms the basis of continuing research in the scientific and veterinary communities.
Since 1994, Canine Health Concern (CHC) has been exposing the truth about the influence of big business on your pets – so that your dogs can live long and healthy lives.
Viera Scheibner, PhD - "I did not find it difficult to conclude that there is no evidence whatsoever that vaccines or any kind are effective in preventing the infectious diseases they are supposed to prevent. Further, adverse effects are amply documented and are far more significant to public health than any adverse effects of infectious diseases. Immunizations not only did not prevent any infectious diseases, they caused more suffering and more deaths than has any other human activity n the entire history of medical intervention. It will be decades before the mopping-up after the disasters caused by childhood vaccination will be completed. "
A shot in the Dark by Harris Coulter Ph.DBookshelf: Vaccine Controversy
Vaccinations DO cause temporary and permanent damage to children every year in this country, and many of the diseases against which we are vaccinated are not as frightening as the damage caused by the vaccinations themselves. If it has ever even occurred to you that the medical system is not infallible, these books will open your eyes to a reality that most people would prefer to ignore.
Vaccinations in Veterinary Medicine: Dogs and Cats
by Don Hamilton, DVM
A practice that was started many years ago and that lacks scientific validity or verification is annual re-vaccinations. Almost without exception there is no immunologic requirement for annual revaccinations. Immunity to viruses persists for years or for the life of the animal. Successful vaccination to most bacterial pathogens produces an immunologic memory that remains for years, allowing an animal to develop a protective anamnestic (secondary) response when exposed to virulent organisms. Only the immune response to toxins requires boosters (e.g. tetanus toxin booster, in humans, is recommended once every 7-10 years). And no toxin vaccines are currently used for dogs and cats. Furthermore, revaccination with most viral vaccines fails to stimulate an anamnestic (secondary) response as a result of interference by existing antibody (similar to maternal antibody interference). The practice of annual vaccination in our opinion should be considered of questionable efficacy unless it is used as a mechanism to provide an annual physical examination or is required by law (i.e., certain states require annual revaccination for rabies).
The Dangers of Vaccinations and the Advantages of Nosodes for Disease Prevention
by Donna Starita Mehan DVM
“Routine” vaccination, as it is practiced today, is not always effective (especially in the case of the feline leukemia vaccine), and frequently has adverse side-effects, either short or long term. With the use of multivalent (combination: 4 in 1, 6 in 1, etc.) vaccines that are repeated year after year, the frequency and severity of these side-effects in our pets has increased dramatically.
Not surprisingly, most of the problems involve the immune system. After all, the immune system is what vaccines are designed to stimulate. But they do so in a very unnatural way that can overwhelm and confuse the immune system. The body may overreact to normally harmless substances (allergies, especially flea allergies and other skin problems), or even produce antibodies to itself (autoimmune disease). At the same time, the body may be sluggish in responding to those things that it should reject, such as common viruses, bacteria, fungi, and parasites. This can result in increased susceptibility to acute infections (such as ear infections in dogs, bladder infections in cats), chronic tapeworm problems, or in more degenerative cases, cancer.
Homeopathic Nosodes: a Better Alternative
Dr. Chambreau DVM: “Holistic veterinarians are finding that vaccines are causing great harm to our animals (and ourselves). To cure an animal of any problem we have found through experience that we must use homeopathic remedies that are known to reverse vaccine related problems as well as fit this individual.” In this paper, Dr. Chambreau DVM, offers vaccination guidelines and homemopathic prevention schedule.
Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy (HOD)
Hypertrophic osteodystrophy causes lameness and extreme pain in young growing dogs, usually of a large breed. Great danes, German shepherds, dobermans, retrievers and weimaraners are examples of breeds that may be affected by this condition. It appears to occur in weimaraners as a vaccine reaction and this may also affect mastiffs and great Danes. In this case, it usually occurs a few days after vaccination and may appear to be worse than the “average” case on radiographs.
HOD usually shows up as an acute lameness, often seeming to affect all four legs simultaneously. Affected dogs may stand in a “hunched up” stance or refuse to stand up at all. They may have a fever but this is not consistently present. They usually have painful swellings around the lower joints on the legs. Some puppies will die from this disease, some suffer permanent disability but many recover later. The disease is so painful that many owners elect to euthanize the puppy rather than watch it suffer, despite the reasonably good chance for recovery, long term. Affected dogs may be so ill that they refuse to eat.
“Tommy was in excellent condition and was a Champion showdog who was Top Dobermann in the UK 2000. In May 2002 we took Tommy to the Vet for blood tests to see whether he needed his Booster and the Vet advised we should give the Leptospirosis vaccine as this was safe and would definitely be needed. On his return home, Tommy was very quiet and went and lay upstairs on his own. When we tried to get him to come downstairs, he had problems getting up off the bed and was unco-ordinated. He then tried to get on the bed in the other bedroom and when we tried to help him, he fell back screaming in pain and could not move.”
Over-Vaccinating
“This morning I ran into a frantic lady, who recently lost her 5 yr. old dachsie, (died of complications due to back paralysis), which she claimed was due to having her dog vaccinated for rabies every year. She said she once worked for a Vet, and said she also had pamphlets that claim many vets over vaccinate these small dogs for the sake of making extra $$$$. She also said this breed is far too small to intake yearly vaccinations and this will eventually paralyse them as it did hers.”
TAKE THE TITER TEST Testing a dog’s serum antibody titers can prevent overvaccinating. Taking blood for an annual titer test, to check a dog’s level of immune defenses, should replace the habit of vaccinating dogs annually whether or not they need it.
VACCINATING DOGS AND CATS
T J Dunn, Jr. DVM
If you choose to vaccinate your own dog or cat, there are a few things you should consider first. Remember…any animal could have an adverse reaction to any vaccine. The probability is small, but if it happens, your pet could be in big trouble…fast! Adverse reactions from vaccinations are rare but do happen. The worst case scenario occurs when the dog or cat has what is termed an ANAPHYLACTIC REACTION. These hypersensitivity reactions cause a number of physiologic disturbances within the body that result in low blood pressure, slow heart rate and depressed breathing rate. The pet goes into a SHOCK REACTION…
More copypasta spam. Yawn. This is allowed under the rules here? Why should anyone even care to respond to this nutbaggery? All you are doing is giving her a venue to post copypasta spam. Why?
More copypasta spam. Yawn. This is allowed under the rules here? Why should anyone even care to respond to this nutbaggery? All you are doing is giving her a venue to post copypasta spam. Why?And what are you doing David other than using this thread to get back at me because you don't like Lessans' claim regarding sight? That's what this is about. You could care less about vaccinations or the damage they are causing. You just want to intimidate me. When all else fails you begin with the name calling and the spoofs. People will respond if they think there is something worth responding to, and you won't be able to stop them in spite of your efforts to silence me.
You are typical of a person who speaks pro-vaccine propaganda. If this is representative of the people in here, there is no point in me continuingI think everone would appreciate it if you would take that stand to heart and either debate in a rational logical way or just stop posting
I don't trust anyone just because they are resident physicians or vets.There are no "resident" physicians here. I am an attending physician with 25 years experience, not a newly minted resident thank you very much
For every resident physician who stands behind 49 vaccines by the age of 6, there are resident physicians who are taking the opposite stand.And now you're just making stuff up. I call BS. Your comment implies there is a pretty even split and a significant controversy about this in the medical community. How can I put this.. Umm.. NO. The vast majority of physicians support vaccinations and the current vaccine schedule and some even vaccinate their children beyond the recommended schedule. Here's the proof - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16263976 Besides according to you any physicians who objects to the vaccine schedule has his license removed and yet you claim there is a significant percentage of physicians who are against vaccines. Having a little trouble with consistency in your arguments are you?
. Having a little trouble with consistency in your arguments are you?That's our little Peacegirl, She's been having trouble with consistency in her arguments for as long as she's been posting.
More copypasta spam. Yawn. This is allowed under the rules here? Why should anyone even care to respond to this nutbaggery? All you are doing is giving her a venue to post copypasta spam. Why?And what are you doing David other than using this thread to get back at me because you don't like his claim regarding light and sight? :lol: No, I'm using this thread to counteract your lies about vaccinations. You really need to get a grip.
You could care less about vaccinations or the damage they are causing.The proper phrase is "couldn't care less"; not "COULD care less"; but apart from your illiteracy, you're right. I couldn't care less about the damage vaccinations are causing, because they aren't. They are PREVENTING damage. People like you would consign children to early preventable deaths.
You just want to intimidate me.Poor widdle gentle soul! Actually, I just :lol: at you, just like everyone else.
When all else fails you begin with the name calling and the spoofs.I love to spoof you!
People will respond if they think there is something worth responding to, and you won't be able to stop them in spite of your efforts to silence me.There is not a single person here, or at FF, or at iidb before that, or at all the other message boards you've traveled over 13 years, who thinks that you are anything but flat-out nuts.
There are no “resident" physicians here. I am an attending physician with 25 years experience, not a newly minted resident thank you very muchJust to clear up this quote, because I'm the one who posted it; what I meant is that you have been on this site for a number of years, and as far as I know (I've been here four and a half) you're the only MD on the forum. Probably should have used another term though. Cap't Jack
You are typical of a person who speaks pro-vaccine propaganda. If this is representative of the people in here, there is no point in me continuingI think everone would appreciate it if you would take that stand to heart and either debate in a rational logical way or just stop posting
I don't trust anyone just because they are resident physicians or vets.There are no "resident" physicians here. I am an attending physician with 25 years experience, not a newly minted resident thank you very much That doesn't give you the right to mislead people as far as vaccine efficacy and safety is concerned. Do you ever question vaccines at all, or do you just go with what the CDC recommends blindly?
For every resident physician who stands behind 49 vaccines by the age of 6, there are resident physicians who are taking the opposite stand.
And now you're just making stuff up. I call BS. Your comment implies there is a pretty even split and a significant controversy about this in the medical community. How can I put this.. Umm.. NO. The vast majority of physicians support vaccinations and the current vaccine schedule and some even vaccinate their children beyond the recommended schedule. Here's the proof - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16263976First of all 2070 physicians does not represent the general population whose numbers are much higher so you're not going to get an accurate account. Secondly, this was a Swiss study and we all know that the vaccine schedule is much lower than in the U.S. Physicians are probably not as worried as the government is taking a more cautious approach. Finally, it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of physicians vaccinated their children. After all, most of them didn't even have even one course in toxicology. After the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed that protected vaccine manufacturers against lawsuits, the number of vaccines for infants has been dramatically expanded: Increase in vaccine schedule In contrast, many of the vaccines on the USA schedule are not included on the vaccine schedules for other developed countries. A 2009 Special Report “Autism and Vaccines Around the World: Vaccine Schedules, Autism Rates, and Under 5 Mortality" demonstrates that most developed countries do not include the varicella (chicken pox), rotavirus, pneumococcal, influenza, or hepatitis A vaccines on their schedules. A slight majority of countries administer the hepatitis B vaccine to infants, but many of those countries (such as the UK, Denmark, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Iceland, and Japan [1] [2]) and several Canadian provinces routinely screen pregnant women for hepatitis B and only administer the hepatitis B vaccine to the infant if the mother tests positive for hepatitis B. The report points out that the USA has a higher vaccination rate and a higher mortality rate for children under the age of 5, and raises this important question: The United States has the highest number of mandated vaccines for children under 5 in the world (36, double the Western world average of 18), the highest autism rate in the world (1 in 150 children, 10 times or more the rate of some other Western countries), but only places 34th in the world for its children under 5 mortality rate. What’s going on? http://www.smartvax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66:increase-in-usa-vaccine-schedule-vs-other-countries
Besides according to you any physicians who objects to the vaccine schedule has his license removed and yet you claim there is a significant percentage of physicians who are against vaccines. Having a little trouble with consistency in your arguments are you?They are the courageous ones. I am not sure if they would have their license removed but the pressure to conform would give them no choice, if they wanted to keep their patients happy. But times are a changin'. :)
More copypasta spam. Yawn. This is allowed under the rules here? Why should anyone even care to respond to this nutbaggery? All you are doing is giving her a venue to post copypasta spam. Why?And what are you doing David other than using this thread to get back at me because you don't like his claim regarding light and sight? :lol: No, I'm using this thread to counteract your lies about vaccinations. You really need to get a grip.
You could care less about vaccinations or the damage they are causing.The proper phrase is "couldn't care less"; not "COULD care less"; but apart from your illiteracy, you're right. I couldn't care less about the damage vaccinations are causing, because they aren't. They are PREVENTING damage. People like you would consign children to early preventable deaths. You cannot even contemplate that the scientific method may not work in the case of vaccines because of unknown variables not being tested for. Oh, and BTW, you can use "couldn't care less" or "could care less". They both are acceptable in the English language. Etymologists suggest that “I could care less" emerged as a sarcastic variant employing Yiddish humor. They point to the different intonations used in saying “I couldn’t care less" versus “I could care less." The latter mirrors the intonation of the sarcastic Yiddish-English phrase “I should be so lucky!" where the verb is stressed. The argument of logic falls apart when you consider the fact that both these phrases are idioms. In English, along with other languages, idioms are not required to follow logic, and to point out the lack of logic in one idiom and not all idioms is…illogical. (THAT'S DAVID FOR YA; ILLOGICAL) Take the expression “head over heels," which makes far less sense than the expression “heels over head" when you think about the physics of a somersault. It turns out “heels over head" entered English around 1400, over 250 years before “head over heels," however, the “logical" version of this idiom has not been in popular usage since the late Victorian era. The usage of “couldn’t care less" versus “could care less" is a very polarizing issue as you can see in British comedian David Mitchell’s rant, though both phrases are in popular usage. Because most modern English dictionaries define words and phrases using a descriptive approach, you’ll find both “couldn’t care less" and “could care less" in Dictionary.com. The lexicographers at Dictionary.com aim to record language as it is actually used, without judgment. That said, not everyone you encounter will be a lexicographer, so be aware that those in the camp of David Mitchell will cringe if you use “I could care less" in conversation (OR MR. STUFFY HIMSELF :lol:). http://blog.dictionary.com/could-care-less/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw
You just want to intimidate me.
Poor widdle gentle soul! Actually, I just :lol: at you, just like everyone else.No, just you, BreakUp, and Spacemonkey. How you inflate your numbers, my my.
When all else fails you begin with the name calling and the spoofs.
I love to spoof you!Because you have nothing better to do! :-/
People will respond if they think there is something worth responding to, and you won't be able to stop them in spite of your efforts to silence me.
is not a single person here, or at FF, or at iidb before that, or at all the other message boards you've traveled over 13 years, who thinks that you are anything but flat-out nuts.What a bad sample. You call this a fair representation? You contaminate everything you put your dirty little fingers on. It's a toss up between you and macgyver whose test methods are the worst. :lol:
First of all 2070 physicians does not represent the general population whose numbers are much higher so you're not going to get an accurate account.Wrong. This is a randomly selected large cohort which is highly predictive of the overall population. Funny how you think a single anecdotal case is very predictive but a collection of 2070 individual cases is just not enough. You're having consistency issues again, as in your not being consistent.
Secondly, this was a Swiss study and we all know that the vaccine schedule is much lower than in the U.S.Wrong again. Here is the Swiss Vaccine Schedule] (Monate is months and Jahre is years in case you don;t read German) and here is the U.S Vaccine schedule]. With the exception of the rotovirus vaccine the schedules are virtually identical
Finally, it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of physicians vaccinated their children. After all, most of them didn't even have even one course in toxicology.Wrong again. There are toxicology lessons in medical school. How many courses have you had in toxicology? Must be a lot because you think you know so much more than the experts. Aww. That's three strikes. You're out.
First of all 2070 physicians does not represent the general population whose numbers are much higher so you're not going to get an accurate account.Wrong. This is a randomly selected large cohort which is highly predictive of the overall population. Funny how you think a single anecdotal case is very predictive but a collection of 2070 individual cases is just not enough. You're having consistency issues again, as in your not being consistent. This is not about a single anecdotal case. This is about hundreds of anecdotal cases that are pointing to the same common denominator. This isn't even the vaccine schedule that is being alluded to as more dangerous than others.
Secondly, this was a Swiss study and we all know that the vaccine schedule is much lower than in the U.S.
Wrong again. Here is the Swiss Vaccine Schedule] (Monate is months and Jahre is years in case you don;t read German) and here is the U.S Vaccine schedule]. With the exception of the rotovirus vaccine the schedules are virtually identicalI read that the Swiss vaccine schedule does not include about 5 or 6 of the mandated vaccines that the U.S. does. One of us must be wrong. Wonder who it could be. :-S
Finally, it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of physicians vaccinated their children. After all, most of them didn't even have even one course in toxicology.Wrong again. There are toxicology lessons in medical school.There isn't a lot taught about vaccines. Vaccines: What Your Doctors Know and Don’t Know Jennifer HutchinsonJuly 31 2012 What did your doctor learn about vaccines in medical school? What did your doctor learn about vaccines in medical school? Do you ever wonder what doctors know about the dozens of vaccines they inject into your children? What they learn in medical school about vaccines? And after they graduate? Who controls what they are taught? My research has been quite an eye-opener. WHAT DOCTORS LEARN IN SCHOOL … First question: What do doctors actually learn in medical school about vaccines? Here’s what several have to say. Dr. Suzanne Humphries: “We learn that vaccines need to be given on schedule. We are indoctrinated with the mantra that ‘vaccines are safe and effective’—neither of which is true. Doctors today are given extensive training on how to talk to ‘hesitant’ parents—how to frighten them by vastly inflating the risks during natural infection. …on the necessity of twisting parents’ arms to conform, or fire them from their practices. Doctors are trained that NOTHING bad should be said about any vaccine, period." [1] Dr. Bob Sears: “Doctors learn a lot about diseases in medical school, but we learn very little about vaccines. … We don’t review the research ourselves. We never learn what goes into making vaccines or how their safety is studied. So, when patients want a little more information about shots, all we can really say as doctors is that the diseases are bad and the shots are good." [2] Dr. Larry Palevsky: “I was taught that vaccines were completely safe and completely effective. But I kept seeing that my experience … in using and reading about vaccines, and hearing what parents were saying about vaccines were very different from what I was taught … When I look at the studies that the AAP and the CDC put out, saying that there’s no correlation between vaccination and autism or vaccinations and asthma, I have to say that the studies just don’t hold up to the scientific standards." [3] Next question: Who controls what doctors are taught? The pharmaceutical industry. How? Big Pharma provides hefty contributions to medical schools and teaching hospitals, advertises in medical journals, and funds the majority of research. Marcia Angell sums it up well: “If drug companies and medical educators were really providing education, doctors and academic institutions would pay them for their services. When you take piano lessons, you pay the teacher, not the other way around. But in this case, industry pays the academic institutions and faculty, and even the doctors who take the courses. The companies are simply buying access to medical school faculty and to doctors in training and practice." [4]I bet few people have seen this story on the news. It’s not like the media has been all over it. Something as dangerous and negligent as reusing syringes and infecting people with life-threatening diseases. The irony of it is, I didn’t find out about it until I was researching what doctors know about vaccines.
In addition to these recent “errors," I bet most doctors can’t name the ingredients and amounts in each vaccine. Or the risks and side effects (other than mild fever and redness at the injection site). Do they even know that some vaccines still contain mercury—more than the amount recommended in the EPA safety guidelines?
Another thing doctors don’t know anything about—or they know but deliberately give false information when parents ask—is vaccine exemptions. Many doctors tell parents their kids can’t go to school without vaccines. Not true.
Do you think doctors read any of the studies that show a definite link between vaccines and autism? Studies like Dr. Wakefield’s and the subsequent ones that replicated his findings? I doubt it. They’re too busy reading articles published in journals like Pediatrics and written by pharmaceutical company board members. Articles teaching them how to handle anti-vaccine parents and lessen the pain of vaccines. Anything that will raise vaccination rates.
You can sum up in one word what doctors, pharmacists, and others are taught about vaccines. Propaganda. They learn what Big Pharma wants them to learn, and they help line Big Pharma’s pockets—and destroy lives in the process.
“[Pharmaceutical companies] have proven themselves to be completely untrustworthy based on past behavior. In a court of law, if such a company were an actual witness, an attorney would never put them on the stand due to a serious lack of credibility. Are you really going to take these companies at their word that these shots are safe when money and profits are impacted by their answer?" [15]
Vactruth.comHow many courses have you had in toxicology? Must be a lot because you think you know so much more than the experts.Strawman.Aww. That's three strikes. You're out.Actually I hit 3 home runs. :lol:
Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims
Merck, the pharmaceutical giant, is facing a slew of controversies over its Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine following numerous allegations of wrongdoing from different parties in the medical field, including two former Merck scientists-turned-whistleblowers. A third whistleblower, this one a scientist at the Centers for Disease Control, also promises to bring Merck grief following his confession of misconduct involving the same MMR vaccine.
The controversies will find Merck defending itself and its vaccine in at least two federal court cases after a U.S. District judge earlier this month threw out Merck’s attempts at dismissal. Merck now faces federal charges of fraud from the whistleblowers, a vaccine competitor and doctors in New Jersey and New York. Merck could also need to defend itself in Congress: The staff of representative Bill Posey (R-Fla) – a longstanding critic of the CDC interested in an alleged link between vaccines and autism – is now reviewing some 1,000 documents that the CDC whistleblower turned over to them.
The first court case, United States v. Merck & Co., stems from claims by two former Merck scientists that Merck “fraudulently misled the government and omitted, concealed, and adulterated material information regarding the efficacy of its mumps vaccine in violation of the FCA [False Claims Act].”
According to the whistleblowers’ court documents, Merck’s misconduct was far-ranging: It “failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing.”
These fraudulent activities, say the whistleblowers, were designed to produce test results that would meet the FDA’s requirement that the mumps vaccine was 95 per cent effective. To the whistleblowers’ delight, the judge dismissed Merck’s objections to the case proceeding, finding the whistleblowers had plausible grounds on all of the claims lodged against Merck.
If the whistleblowers win, it would represent more than a moral victory (they repeatedly tried to stop Merck while still in its employ). Under the False Claims Act, the whistleblowers would receive a share – likely 25 per cent to 30 per cent – of the amount the government recovers. Previous settlements involving extensive fraud by pharmaceutical companies under the False Claims Act have run into the hundreds of millions of dollars, and in some cases such as against GlaxoSmithKline and Pfizer, into the billions.
The second court case, Chatom Primary Care v. Merck & Co. relies on the same whistleblower evidence. This class action suit claims damages because Merck had fraudulently monopolized the mumps market. Doctors and medical practices in the suit would be able to obtain compensation for having been sold an overpriced monopolized product, and a defective one to boot, in that the mumps vaccine wasn’t effective (indeed, the suit alleged that Merck expected outbreaks to occur and, as predicted, they did – mumps epidemics occurred in 2006 in a highly vaccinated population and again in 2009-2010).
“Plaintiffs have argued sufficient facts to sustain a claim for proximate causation, detailing the significant barriers that other companies would face to enter the mumps vaccine market,” the court ruled.
The third whistleblower – a senior CDC scientist named William Thompson – only indirectly blew the whistle on Merck. He more blew it on himself and colleagues at the CDC who participated in a 2004 study involving the MMR vaccine. Here, the allegations involve a cover-up of data pointing to high rates of autism in African-American boys after they were vaccinated with MMR. In what could be high-profile House hearings before Congressman Posey’s Science Committee – hearings made all the more explosive given the introduction of race into the mix – Merck could find itself under unprecedented scrutiny. The CDC still stands by its study although Frank DeStefano, the CDC’s Director of Immunization Safety and a co-author in the CDC study, also stated that he plans to review his notes with an eye to reanalyzing the data.
Some say all publicity is good. In Merck’s case, regardless of the ultimate merits, the publicity will be all bad.
Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims | HuffPost Politics
Yes one of us is wrong. No mystery there. Its you. I gave you links directly to the CDC vaccine schedule from the CDC website and the Swiss Schedule from the Swiss Health Dept Website. You gave us nothing ( big surprise there). The schedules I gave you ARE the schedules used in both countries. Anyone who told you otherwise is wrong. If your going to debate something debate something you actually know something about. And don't bother quoting Sears and the rest of the quack doctors on your short list. I've been to med school. Their description is so filled with misrepresentations and outright lies that it would be laughable if this subject were not so serious. As I have already told you I am a physician. I don;t really care about the opinions of a small group of misguided physicians who (based on their description of med school alone) clearly don't know what they are talking about.Secondly, this was a Swiss study and we all know that the vaccine schedule is much lower than in the U.S.Wrong again. Here is the Swiss Vaccine Schedule] (Monate is months and Jahre is years in case you don;t read German) and here is the U.S Vaccine schedule]. With the exception of the rotovirus vaccine the schedules are virtually identicalI read that the Swiss vaccine schedule does not include about 5 or 6 of the mandated vaccines that the U.S. does. One of us must be wrong. Wonder who it could be. :-S
Finally, it wouldn’t surprise me if the majority of physicians vaccinated their children. After all, most of them didn’t even have even one course in toxicology.You raised the point so I guess its YOUR strawman argument.How many courses have you had in toxicology? Must be a lot because you think you know so much more than the experts.Strawman.
Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:51 AM PST. NBC debunks 7 stupid myths about vaccines.https://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/10/1363547/-NBC-debunks-7-stupid-myths-about-vaccines?detail=emailclassic
Peacegirl, what are those 49 vaccines you claim a child receives by age six? I have asked this question before and you never responded.
Please list them and the recommended schedule. Please identify the medical body that recommends them. It is NOT the CDC.
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Peacegirl, what are those 49 vaccines you claim a child receives by age six? I have asked this question before and you never responded. Please list them and the recommended schedule. Please identify the medical body that recommends them. It is NOT the CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf LLI gave the list of vaccines. It is how it's divvied up that adds up to 49 doses by the age of 6, and 70 doses (yes, 70!) by the age of 18. I googled which governing body recommends the vaccine schedule and it said the CDC. I'll have to look it up again.