I think it is you who misunderstand since a great deal of the article is about not placing too much stock in the senses, to see beyond them. It’s about pulling back the veil and dropping judgments of everything, which includes beauty. It is you who has misunderstood them, especially when they frequently mention what you see as unreal or not what it appears.
I never said nature was a threat, merely that beauty is human judgment and nothing more. Nature is not our “creator” for it implies nature is some monolithic thing it isn’t. It has no intelligence either (quasi or otherwise), things just happen.
Naturalism is far from being in touch with reality. So long as you PROJECT beauty onto the world you will live in the dream like the article says.
Xain said; Art could be closed and the people would eventually move on. Humans thousands of years ago were fine without it and so are most life forms. It’s a defect in humanity more than a boon.
This is becoming ludicrous. Art is one of man's oldest way of story telling. Where did you go to school?
Prehistoric painting of rhinoceroses in the Chauvet Cave, dated circa 35,000 BP. France
The earliest human artifacts showing evidence of workmanship with an artistic purpose are the subject of some debate. It is clear that such workmanship existed by 40,000 years ago in the Upper Paleolithic era, although it is quite possible that it began earlier. In September 2018, scientists reported the discovery of the earliest known drawing by Homo sapiens, which is estimated to be 73,000 years old, much earlier than the 43,000 years old artifacts understood to be the earliest known modern human drawings found previously.[2]
I suggest you read something other than what you have demonstrated so far. You like nothing because you know nothing and refuse to learn anything.
I’m not going to waste any more time on this farce.
I suggest you read something other than what you have demonstrated so far. You like nothing because you know nothing and refuse to learn anything.
I’m not going to waste any more time on this farce.
You mean the evidence that what you claim is the result of being unbalanced as a result of poor child rearing. Also while I might have been wrong that they didn’t do it, it still doesn’t disprove that they would have been fine without it and my point about most life forms being ok without it still holds. Same with the article I linked to about beauty, YOU completely missed the mark (especially the many references to what is true and it’s not the world of appearance AKA beauty). He makes many references about how humans get stuck in the realm of form (which you are if you’re so testy about beauty). It’s not arguing for moderation in the way you think.
But I’ll humor you by showing you what I consider beautiful to prove you wrong:
For the younger viewers, google “shocked, simply shocked” so you’ll know it’s sarcasm. I don’t know if Xain is trying to be shocking or not. Hopefully it shows that he has friends with whom he plays RPG games.
Anyway, as always, I try to find what Xain is talking about. That link is pretty good really, presenting many sides of Buddhism, westernized, as well as the differences between north and south. And it says things like this:
It’s true that the dharma has at times proscribed sensuality or imposed various containments. But following the Shurangama’s lead, other Buddhists have used it to awaken. And they’ve done so believing that the radiance of Mind is always there, and that even our bonds become ornaments when we understand them as Mind-created, too, arising from the source like everything else.
Showing there is more than one way to interpret and follow the Buddha. So, maybe certain people could accept that their interpretation is not the one the true way? Hmm? I really liked the page or two above that, discussing the Buddha's cousin, lusting after a prostitute and how that leads to understanding morality, what true self is, and pointing to that truth, and appreciating beauty, either in a woman or in the Buddha.
It’s not the beauty you speak of, and it does support what I way saying about it not being real since it’s all a fabrication of our minds.
CC that picture isn’t beautiful and neither is mine. Like I said it is getting harder to pretend. I have liked things on the darker side of life since I was a kid. I had a dream of watching the end of the world, I enjoyed Poe, and I had a strange relationship with horrors and nightmares back then. It was like being scared but weirdly drawn to it.
But as I said, to live in reality is to relinquish all of that.
Gosh X, is that emptiness you inhabit a refuge from the nightmares?
From your words, I read that you haven’t the slightest notion of what I could be talking about. You can’t even fathom the possibility of there being connections, beauties and stories than lie within that frame for me. That’s understandable you don’t know me, my day to day, nor that place, but it’s the contemptuous, almost belligerent dismissal, the assumption that nothing of value could possibly exist within that frame, that’s the really sad part.
I knew an old man once. I was still at the point of believing age brought wisdom and all that. I kept prodding and asking for his overview of the interesting life he’d experienced for so many decades, you know, a finally summary or pronouncement before leaving the stage, or something like that, “It’s all shit,” was his response. So there. You win X.
Although, then again I knew a thing or two about the guy, and also about things he’d done that contributed to his disappoints, and I remember something else another old person once told me, “You make the bed you sleep in.”
Gosh X, is that emptiness you inhabit a refuge from the nightmares?
From your words, I read that you haven’t the slightest notion of what I could be talking about. You can’t even fathom the possibility of there being connections, beauties and stories than lie within that frame for me. That’s understandable you don’t know me, my day to day, nor that place, but it’s the contemptuous, almost belligerent dismissal, the assumption that nothing of value could possibly exist within that frame, that’s the really sad part.
One doesn’t have to know you to know you are living a lie. As I said, to live with meaning and beauty is to live a lie and not reality. The true sad part is that you don’t see it. Those who truly see have always incurred the ire of those around them and you are no exception, unable to truly see.
Xain said; Those who truly see have always incurred the ire of those around them and you are no exception, unable to truly see.
Unable to see what? According to you there is nothing to see, nothing to feel, nothing at all.
Meaning lies in total oblivion? No, meaning does not lie in total oblivion. When you’re dead, that’s total oblivion. Nothing beautiful about death, it’s meaningless, no?
HB, I for one believe you are relevant, whereas Xain, by his own words, is making himself less relevant
Because there doesn't seem to be a way to get you guys to see the reality that is nihilism. There haven't been any good arguments made against it because meaning itself doesn't exist and the act of making meaning oddly enough does the opposite.
Write4U: "HB, I for one believe you are relevant, whereas Xain, by his own words, is making himself less relevant ."
Not sure what "HB" means, but I'll pretend it's not a bad thing. And thank you for thinking I'm relevant.
As for Xain, well, he feels important here because he sees how pretending to not understand stuff can twist everyone’s underwear into knots.
I long for the day when he realizes he would be just as important and valued (and a lot more fun) if he made an effort to comprehend what’s said to him and actually tried to learn. All in good time I hope.
Not sure what “HB” means, but I’ll pretend it’s not a bad thing. And thank you for thinking I’m relevant.
As for Xain, well, he feels important here because he sees how pretending to not understand stuff can twist everyone’s underwear into knots.
I long for the day when he realizes he would be just as important and valued (and a lot more fun) if he made an effort to comprehend what’s said to him and actually tried to learn. All in good time I hope.
Again you spout irrelevance. I’m trying to say that nihilism is the truth of existence but you guys don’t want to buy it. You are completely oblivious to what is going on here. There is nothing to learn because you guys are wrong about meaning.
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