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[quote=“martin-peter-clarke, post:40, topic:8070, full:true”]
You were wrong. Again.
And marijuana is not necessarily responsible for only 50% of psychosis…
[/quote] Argument?

How am I wrong and based on what information? You can’t just say ; “you are wrong”. That is a meaningless phrase without even a subject.
I’ll reply : You are wrong in saying I am wrong, without explaining why I am wrong.
There that’s a meaningful argument. Make it right and everybody is happy.

And marijuana is not necessarily responsible for only 50% of psychosis…
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Argument?

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No, that game doesn’t play, mate.

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If you don’t play the game by the rules, you don’t get to play at all.

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Your rules aren’t. . . .

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The rules of debate ’

What are the four elements of debate?

So, there you have it - the four parts of an argument: claims, counterclaims, reasons, and evidence .

  1. A claim is the main argument.
  2. A counterclaim is the opposite of the argument, or the opposing argument.
  3. A reason tells why the claim or counterclaim is made
  4. A reason is supported by the evidence. Sep. 23, 2021

https://study.com/academy/lesson/parts-of-an-argument-claims-counterclaims-reasons-and-evidence.html

Without any of these parts, there is no debate.

This is one of the reasons why I ALWAYS cite supporting links to my claims or counterclaims.

You seldom provide even the reason for your claims, let alone evidence.

I won’t let you get away with that. You make the claim or counterclaim, the burden of proof rests on your shoulder… :man_student:

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I wish I could enforce rules at that level. It’s nice to have a few members who at least understand that such things exist. At least Martin doesn’t resort to name-calling and baiting.

I went in for jury duty, about 10 years ago. I can’t remember if I discussed details of my past, but, well, you know, the 70s. The trial was a drug case, so, the question of personal drug use came up. This was the section where everybody was in the same room and the judge was asking the questions. It was a room full of middle-age people, a business owner or two, working-class mostly, a couple of younger ones. I think it was over half who raised their hands.

One of the reasons we, that is my teenage friends, all did what we did, was that we knew our parents drank, some of them a lot, and smoking cigarettes was prevalent too, despite the cancer warnings that had recently been added to every pack. I think you’d have to go back 200 years to small towns to find a culture that was really anti-drug.

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Yes, but at that time knowledge of marijuana was at a minimum because is was (and still is) classified as a schedule I drug , lumped in with heroin and all related opioids, prohibiting even the study of marijuana.

This has now changed and statistical data is being accumulated. Interestingly the result of increased use still shows more positive results from the old totally false data.

Marijuana Addiction: Rates & Usage Statistics

  • A 2015 study by Jama Psychiatry concluded that marijuana’s popularity has risen considerably over the past decade.
  • According to the study, in 2001-02, 4.1% of Americans had claimed to have increased drug use within the past year.
  • By 2015, that number had more than doubled to 9.1%.
  • The study also concluded that the number of individuals with marijuana use disorder had decreased from 35.6% to 30.6% between 2001 and 2013.

Marijuana use disorder??? Do we have a coffee use disorder, or an icecream use disorder? What is with this duplicitous statement?

They are suggesting that using marijuana for recreational purposes automatically indicates a drug use disorder?

Popularity of Marijuana

The rising popularity of marijuana can be attributed to its growing acceptability in modern society. Marijuana is widely accepted as being “less risky” than other substances like tobacco, alcohol, or painkillers.

Marijuana may be considered “less harmful” due to the fact that there have been 0 marijuana-related overdoses ever reported, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

  • A scientific article published in 2018 relays that approximately 10% of regular cannabis users develop a marijuana use disorder.

Note that Marijuana Use Disorder includes ANY use of marijuana!

What do you know, I have a chocolate chip cookie use disorder!

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I’m making no claim. There is no debate. You were wrong.

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Where? Link to them saying that. Copy and paste them saying that and then try and link to that.

Just like I did from the National Institutes of Health website.

Think you can do that?

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Okay, I’m not questioning your source. I’m also not defending the source. The NIH website is the place where all papers go. The one you linked was reviewed by “Forensic International”. I don’t know anything about them, so I can’t say one way or another if the review was done well. There is no bar to be met to appear on pubmed. If you find something there, you also check for citations, retractions, the authors creditations, etc.

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Accepted, of course. I have no idea how to check for citations etc. Scientometrics like Science Citation and Acknowledgement Indices, but not (Journal) Impact Factor. I’m surprised that they’re not on the article, like Trustpilot. My suspicions were aroused by it being an Elsevier publication. Where is the DEA claim? That’s rhetorical.

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Sure, That was a direct quote from NCDAS:

Here is the full quote;

Popularity of Marijuana

The rising popularity of marijuana can be attributed to its growing acceptability in modern society. Marijuana is widely accepted as being “less risky” than other substances like tobacco, alcohol, or painkillers. Marijuana may be considered “less harmful” due to the fact that there have been 0 marijuana-related overdoses ever reported, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

If that link does not get you there it isn’t my fault. I don’t cheat on facts.

Note that this quote is only part of the entire analysis. I used it because it did specifically say zero marijuana related overdoses. This has nothing to do with any other preexisting condition..

Keyword: overdose

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You have failed again to do anything but link to Home | DEA.gov and searching on the text pulls up everything but a link to DEA saying that.

That’s your fault.

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Sorry, how about this:

This may be of informative:

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Note the glaring absence of statistics on marijuana, one of the most used recreational and medicinal drugs.

Could it be that there are no statistics because there are no reported cases of people dying from marijuana overdose?

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No it couldn’t, because as per my link, notwithstanding the lack of scientometrics for any of these, there are.

Furthermore in Figure 2. the dominant first cause until 2016 and second until 2018 includes marijuana.

Its appalling impact on mental health is known by all professionals. And me.

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Not by name. It cites heroin and amphetamines. Not a word about marijuana . Now I could see that if marijuana use was minor and obscure, but it isn’t and never has been. Marijuana may well be as common as Tobacco, and we have data up the kazoo on tabacco and nicotine and the long term harm this drug has wreaked on society.

Never a word about marijuana which has been used for millenia. You have to be honest about this. You are arbitrarily lumping marijuana in without an shred of proof. Not a single word, except from those would outlaw marijuana altogether and replace it with artificial opioids, which are highly addictive and guarantee a loyal customer base. That is the reality as is abundantly demonstrated. Not the other way around.

The point is that marijuana is just not a very dangerous drug when used with minimal moderation and not boosted with alcohol or nicotine.

Autistic children use marijuana every day to control that terrible mental disorder. No reports of anyone dying from overdose!

At some point you have to let go of this false idea that marijuana is an evil substance that will ruin civilization. Heroin and its legally prescribed opioid derivatives are the killer drugs. Marijuana, if used with a modicum of self-control is mainly benign, as is tea, coffee, coco (chocolate) and all other mild natural stimulants and relaxants.

Note that the natural products are the safest because the have not been modified aertificially for greatest effects. That’s when the “abuse” problem arises.

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No. Marijuana isn’t used in moderation by a significant proportion of the young.

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And so is beer.

Moreover marijuana use levels off with age and realization that it is better to wait and toke at home when you are off work.

Marijuana is not addictive per se. I have never seen anyone in withdrawal over lack of a joint. Addictive personalities always get addicted to something, even if the substance itself is not addictive.

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No.

Marijuana psychosis and other severe effects are for real from adolescence inclusive. As all professionals know. And me.

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[quote=“martin-peter-clarke, post:59, topic:8070”]
As all professionals know. And me.

No you don’t. Marijuana was never outlawed because it was a psychotropic drug.

You can get a legal prescription for almost any highly addictive drug. And the illegal drug wars were never about marijuana, but opioids .

However when smoking a joint can get you 20 years in jail, you bet there are some psychological pressures in play.

Most of the literature you cite is government issued and concentrates strictly on any potential harm, such as maintaining that marijuana use fosters illegal behaviors. Well, duhhhhh, of course it does because the government is the instrument that has made criminals of anybody who like to relax, have a toke and listen to some groovy music and get a good night’s rest from a heavy day.

Legalize it and that psychological paranoia will disappear. You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. It is legal now in several states in the US and there is no remarkable uptick in psychotic behaviors. On the contrary, marijuana has just been approved to control several medically diagnosed psychoses, such as epilepsy, autism, bi-polar disorder, depression, and a host of other mental pressures inflicted by today’s social pressures.

Here is a report from the psychiatric side.

Medical Marijuana and Mental Health: Cannabis Use in Psychiatric Practice

May 31, 2017

Christopher G. Fichtner, MD, Howard B. Moss, MD

Psychiatric Times , Vol 34 No 5, Volume 34, Issue 5

Although herbal cannabis has a long history of medicinal use, its federal prohibition under the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 with Drug Enforcement Administration Schedule I status has focused the federally supported cannabis research agenda for half a century on the potential harms rather than on the historically acknowledged therapeutic benefits of this complex plant.

It is ironic that currently in the US the non-psychoactive compound CBD is generally accessible for medicinal use only in the form of federally prohibited herbal cannabis products available under state medical marijuana laws.

Grant and colleagues2 have summarized succinctly a point made by many others: “Based on evidence currently available the Schedule 1 classification is not tenable; it is not accurate that cannabis has no medical value, or that information on safety is lacking.” Interestingly, the US government has held a patent on substituted CBD derivatives as antioxidants and neuroprotectants for nearly 2 decades.

Perceived benefits of medical cannabis

Regardless of the legal status of cannabis, many patients with psychiatric disorders use cannabis and report improvement in their symptoms

Although cannabis use may lead to exacerbation of psychosis in some patients, the possibility remains that patient use for symptom relief may account in part for the statistical association.