Israel/Gaza question

Your question implies that people moving into occupied land is a minor crime, perpetrated by individuals but actually, it’s a program supported from the top down.

It’s not a minor crime but it is a local crime. For an individual, taking somebody’s land is not an international incident, especially when that property is unoccupied and the established boundaries are rejected by Palestine, IMO

Israel’s borders explained in maps

If you’re going to make up the rules, then you win. I can’t argue with these completely wrong premises.

No it isn’t. Trump promises to expel 10,000,000 illegal aliens from the US.
Seems that Palestine could expel a few illegal settlers

OTOH, bombing another country and killing 1200 people is an International Incident.
But nobody came and arrested Hamas. So Israel is left to its own solutions.

p.s. 6 more dead hostages at the hands of Hamas have turned up in Palestine.

Israeli military says it recovered the bodies of 6 hostages from Gaza

The operation came as the United States pushed for a cease-fire agreement between Israel and Hamas that would see the release of scores of hostages held by the militant group.

That’s not how war works.

Do tell. How does war work?
Apparently, Israel is not going about it the right way.
Is Hamas going about the right way?

Seriously? There are no police that can arrest terrorists. There are principles but enforcing them is a massive challenge. This is fifth grade level stuff

Really. And that observation provides an answer?

The UN has a police force for matters involving international Law, don’t they?

You have made a judgement. So what do you think will solve this 5th grade situation?

I said I was explaining how wars happen at a fifth grade level. I didn’t say I had a solution to the Israel/Gaze situation. Attempting to wipe out one or the other army though, pretty sure that won’t work.

If it comes to a matter of survival, the problem becomes simple. You do what is necessary to survive. If that means bombing an enemy into oblivion, then that is what will be done.
In war, morals do not play a part. Winning is the only option.

I don’t say this as a matter of conviction, I say it as a matterof historical fact.

Quotes from the article

Basically the problem in a nutshell, “territory known as Palestine - the portion of which west of the River Jordan was also known as the land of Israel by Jews”

Especially the next phrase, “was marked out and assigned to Britain to administer by the victorious allied powers”. That’s the pre-World War type of solution. And what we see today should explain why that type of solution is outdated. At the time, they said, “so long as doing so did not prejudice the civil and religious rights of non-Jewish communities there”, but, come on, did that happen?

“The plan was accepted by Palestine’s Jewish leadership but rejected by Arab leaders.” Brief histories like this one leave out everything that was said about why they rejected it. So, they had this problem, “meaning its borders remained unset.”

Then the Six Day War. That name almost makes it sound nice. Wouldn’t it be great if all wars lasted that long? But, you know, “These moves were not recognized by the international community, until the US changed its official position on the matter under the Trump administration…”

Even the article you linked calls it an occupation, “That left Israel in occupation of the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, with its frontiers (excluding that of Egypt) still delineated by the 1949 armistice lines.”

The graphic at the bottom looks more like a prison wall to me, not a border.

Except for Gaza, right? And that is where Hamas resides.

No. Look at the map. And Hamas didn’t exist at that time. it was just all Palestine. There weren’t terrorists yet because no one was trying to eliminate them. Yet.

Exactly. The trouble started when Hamas took over in Gaza and started trying to eliminate Israel.

You exactly talk about how Israel has been under threat for a thousand years. Now it’s just these last few decades.

Sticks and stones vs nuclear weapons :nerd_face::nerd_face::nerd_face::nerd_face:

No, you must take all this in a historical context. This is not an isolated incident.

Where? You just lied and slandered the Jews one more time. They haven’t used any nuclear weapons on anybody.

If Hamas could get a hold of a nuclear weapon, they would use it first.
They are the Islamists who have vowed the extermination of Jews.

Hamas in Its Own Words

Since its founding in the late 1980s, Hamas has been promoting rhetoric and policies aimed at destroying the Jewish state of Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world.

This is evident in their founding charter, which cites the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion forgery as “proof” of a Zionist plot to control the world. It remains true after Hamas released a new charter in 2017, which essentially simply swapped the word “Jew” out and replaced it with “Zionist” while repeating antisemitic tropes.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

Sticks and stones vs hellfire missiles

When are you going to tell truth, instead of slavering false accusations while promoting death to Israelis?

This is what Hamas uses against unarmed Israeli citizens.

Hamas fights with a patchwork of weapons built by Iran, China, Russia and North Korea

An Associated Press analysis of more than 150 videos and photos taken in the three months of combat since Hamas launched its Oct. 7 surprise attack on Israel shows the militant group has amassed a diverse patchwork arsenal of weapons from around the world – much of it smuggled past a 17-year blockade that was aimed at stopping just such a military buildup.

Those weapons have proved deadly during weeks of intense urban warfare in Gaza, where Hamas fighters are typically armed only with what they can carry and employ hit-and-run tactics against lopsided Israeli advantages in arms and technology. Hamas propaganda videos posted over the past few weeks appear to show the shootings of Israeli soldiers recorded through the scopes of sniper rifles.

“We are searching everywhere for weapons, for political support, for money,” Hamas spokesman Ghazi Hamad recently said in an interview with the AP, declining to discuss specifically who has been providing its weapons or how they were snuck into Gaza.