I take your 70k israelis and raise it to 1 million lebanese forced to leave their homes by the jewish state
Prove it⌠
To the person that refuses to accept americas role in leading the world into conflict and disaster
I canât believe you challenged that
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/most-lebanons-displacement-shelters-are-full-un-says-2024-10-04/
sarah @sahouraxo
Israel is bombing:
⢠Beirut
⢠Southern Lebanon
⢠Bekaa Valley
⢠Syria
⢠Yemen
⢠Gaza
⢠And now, the West Bank
Meanwhile, Western media insists: Iran is the real villain in the region!
A Israel-Jewish point of view by Omer Bartov
He cannot be suspected of antisemitism.
But another part of my apprehension had to do with the fact that my view of what was happening in Gaza had shifted. On 10 November 2023, I wrote in the New York Times: âAs a historian of genocide, I believe that there is no proof that genocide is now taking place in Gaza, although it is very likely that war crimes, and even crimes against humanity, are happening. [âŚ] We know from history that it is crucial to warn of the potential for genocide before it occurs, rather than belatedly condemn it after it has taken place. I think we still have that time.â
I no longer believe that. By the time I travelled to Israel, I had become convinced that at least since the attack by the IDF on Rafah on 6 May 2024, it was no longer possible to deny that Israel was engaged in systematic war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocidal actions. It was not just that this attack against the last concentration of Gazans â most of them displaced already several times by the IDF, which now once again pushed them to a so-called safe zone â demonstrated a total disregard of any humanitarian standards. It also clearly indicated that the ultimate goal of this entire undertaking from the very beginning had been to make the entire Gaza Strip uninhabitable, and to debilitate its population to such a degree that it would either die out or seek all possible options to flee the territory. In other words, the rhetoric spouted by Israeli leaders since 7 October was now being translated into reality â namely, as the 1948 UN Genocide Convention puts it, that Israel was acting âwith intent to destroy, in whole or in partâ, the Palestinian population in Gaza, âas such, by killing, causing serious harm, or inflicting conditions of life meant to bring about the groupâs destructionâ.
The pro murder zionist crowd would say the Omer is a self hating hamas loving Jew.
Thatâs twisted. Should I care what a murderer would say? I mean, sure, itâs a weird world now, where people hate their own family. Or they love people who hate them. The âgood old daysâ of killing the neighboring tribe and taking their women are long gone.
What 5 countries attacked Israel?
The first war, in 1948â49, began when Israel declared itself an independent state following the United Nationsâ partition of Palestine and five Arab countriesâEgypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syriaâattacked Israel.
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In a separate attack, exploding walking-talkies kill 14
Like they say, progress is a beautiful thing, the future looks bright.
We keep coming up with better ways to kill each other, same old same old. So Iâm not quite sure what this discussion is supposed to be about, isnât this new escalation by Israel simply another day in the life of this future we are creating for our children?
Our children might look at what is going on in the Middle East someday as us having it easy compared to their covert biological attacks and damage. Less physical damage, but whole nations wiped out.
Check the link within your link
Significance of the Camp David Accords | Britannica
You donât keep justifying bombing because previous leaders of a country once bombed you. No, you honor the peace deals, you recognize the rights of others to exist.
But that takes both parties. There is no such thing as unilateral peace.
I am getting tired of this argument of who started all this 3000 years ago. It has become a meaningless argument.
Why not admit that both parties have claim and there is a solution. That solution does not lie in 2 separate autonomous states, but a shared right to all of Palestine, somewhat similar to the United states of Palestine, where all citizens have equal rights and freedom of movement and settlement.
I just discovered that there is such a new approach to that âintractableâ problem, which until now has had no exposure or discussion, until Sir Richard Branson exposed this alternate argument on MSNBC
It is called âA Land for allâ and it is growing in popularity with both Palestinians and Israelis, because it offers a solution to the question who the land belongs to. It can belong to both equally.
Hegemonies never last, as witnessed in the US with the end of slavery.
It is basically similar to the Constitution of the US , which advances the idea of shared equality and right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, a confederation similar to the âunited states of Americaâ.
As I understand it, this is what âa Land for Allâ proposes.
A Land for All (organization)
A Land for All (Arabic: بŮاد ŮŮŘŹŮ ŮŘš, Hebrew: ×ר׼ ×××××; previously known as Two States, One Homeland) [1] is an Israeli-Palestinian movement comprising Israeli Jews, Palestinian citizens of Israel, and Palestinians, which proposes a two-state confederation as the solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
This solution promotes the existence of two sovereign states in the Israeli and Palestinian territories, based on shared principles of equality, freedom and dignity.[2]
The movement was founded under joint Israeli-Palestinian leadership 2012. Its co-CEOs are Israeli Jew May Pundak, daughter of Ron Pundak[3] and Palestinian citizen of Israel, Dr. Rula Hardal.[4] The movement was born out of a series of meetings between Meron Rappaport, an Israeli journalist, and Awni Al-Mahshni, a Palestinian activist. Palestinian and Israeli journalists, scholars and activists gradually joined these meetings to formulate a statement of shared principles for coexistence.[2][5]
The movement is a member of Alliance for Middle East Peace, and won the Outstanding Peace Support Award Luxembourg Peace Prize in 2021.[6][7]
I wish you had never brought up who started it. I didnât say anything about it this time. You said
And I responded to that. I didnât ask for unilateral peace.
Try following the thread
EI: How Israel killed hundreds of its own people on 7 October
I am following the history.
Here is your proof of my argument that Israel is only responding to Hamasâs aggression, based on opposition to the 1948 accord.
This is from an Islamist news rag.
How Israel killed hundreds of its own people on 7 October
The immediate goal was to inflict a shattering blow against Israelâs army bases and militarized settlements which have besieged Gazaâs inhabitants for decades â all of which are built on land that Palestinian families were expelled from in 1948.
If you believe this ânewspaperâ then it is clear that Hamas is and has been the aggressor since 1948.
Besides the blatant lie that Israel would kill its own voluntarily, while it goes to war when its citizens are killed by terrorists.
The madness does not lie with Israel. It lies with the Islamist terrorists.
Simmer down. Youâre getting increasingly incoherent. There was no Hamas in 1948. You donât âfollowâ history, you study it. What is the point of the link?
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There was no Hamas in 1948.
I know that, I mentioned it before. The point is that this Islamist newspaper admits that this Islamic adversary condition has existed since 1948.
Hamas is just another terrorist organization spawned by Islamist hatred.
This listing includes the 60+ terrorist groups designated by the US State Department as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs), as well as an additional 10 non-designated, self-proclaimed branches and affiliates of the Islamic State of Iraq and ash-Sham (ISIS) FTO.
The information provided includes details on each cited groupâs history, goals, leadership, organization, areas of operation, tactics, weapons, size, and sources of support.
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/references/terrorist-organizations/
You donât âfollowâ history, you study it. What is the point of the link?
It clearly explains the âintractableâ Islamic mindset as well as the false accusation that Israel kills its own people, while the terrorists start the bombing and use civilians as shields.
I think Islam considers lying and violence a sin. Itâs amazing how easily holy people are tempted to lie and do violence when sufficiently motivated. The hubris is astounding.
That is not unique to Islam. Do you know what it means that Israel has âoccupiedâ Palestine since 1967?