Way to promote intelligent dialog there Write4U. Keep up the good work.
Are you suggesting that Mr. Rizzo is promoting an intelligent dialog?
We’ve lost the thread of exactly who “they” are. You said something about Trump’s oligarchy being better and also that Democrats are up to something. When I refer to “they”, I’m not talking one party or the other. There are good people working government, who are trying to create the world that the leaders talk about in their speeches. “They” aren’t accountable to voters and don’t let reporters put them on camera and ask tough questions. So, it’s hard to know for sure what the politicians are really thinking, or who is controlling them using their money.
Are you saying that polarization is a grass roots effort? Are you saying that people don’t want their neighborhoods to be peaceful? That they get up in the morning and think about who they are going to harass at the grocery store, or flip off on the highway? I’m not getting how divisiveness bubbles up from average people who take their kids to soccer games and don’t ask what the star of the team is thinking about immigration policy.
You said there is some “they” who is trying to divide us and they don’t have a party. I don’t know who “they” is, but if they exist and they don’t have a party, then there must be some sort of power behind the scene. That means the idea of a deep state has merit.
Yes, polarization is bottom-up. It stems from peoples who are too different to coexist being forced to interact.
That’s a leap. We can see conflict entrepreneurs on Sunday morning political shows, and every day in between. This article focuses on Congress, but they are also the people who exploit the situation to make a few bucks by taking their cellphones and pretending like they are journalists doing “person on the street” interviews.
Congress is polarized. AI says you should blame “conflict entrepreneurs.” | Vox
This assumes something about humanity that I don’t agree with.
… In a preprint shared with Vox, the researchers report finding that a handful of “conflict entrepreneurs” in Congress are essentially polluting our national political discourse and worsening the vibes of democracy. They spend more of their time arguing and tossing out personal attacks than they do being productive in elected office. Along the way, they don’t just polarize the country, but also hamper the effectiveness of our government.
What makes a conflict entrepreneur?
The researchers define conflict entrepreneurs as elected officials who “frequently insult and name-call political rivals.” They can be contrasted with “policy-focused representatives” — the kind of folks who just want to get things done. And political division is a whole brand for conflict entrepreneurs, not merely part of their public profile. …
hmmm
That’s nonsense, on the ground when people actually talk to each other and work with each other, our differences shrink, and our mutual humanity tends to shine through.
At least if there’s a modicum of good faith and mutual effort involved.
You are a product for programming - but then aren’t we all.
Only difference is some programming is constructive and some is destructive, and the trump crowd is all about the gold and the destruction.
King of the Republicans. Our symbol of the new white supremacist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/05/real-message-behind-that-golden-trump-statue/
What could go wrong?
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This has been happening long before the conflict entrepreneurs got elected.
Fair enough. You live in a place where you can avoid this reality.
Take your meds and stay off the internet. You bring nothing to the table, ever.
The article talks about the ones in congress, my comments go well beyond that. You’re right, it was happening before MTG and others like her. Rush Limbaugh was an early one, and he was very quickly embraced by people already in congress. It has grown since then. Exactly who came first or who caused what is not a critical piece of what I’m pointing out.
Who are the lawmakers? I bet you cannot name them!
In 2023, 27 laws & regulations were created by congress. 3,018 law & regulations were created by departments.
I’ll give you the 27, just name the ones who passed the 3,018 laws and regulations if all that data is published.
I pay attention to what’s going on, but what I said does not depend on me knowing every lawmaker and every law with their name on it. What’s important is that I can know, and I know that someone is tracking those laws. That means that when some crazy law gets proposed, then I will hear about, there will be a fight about it and it will most likely get my attention. Doesn’t happen every time, but I also watch for stories like, “this thing was underreported”.
What you are saying is an attempt to frighten me into believing that there are things going on in secret, things that I CAN’T know. When you get someone to feel helpless, you can replace those feelings with comforting stories about someone who can take care of it for them.
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Sure, you can pay attention to what’s going on. But I don’t think you can name the over 400 lawmakers working in the departments. I don’t think anyone can. Most people cannot even name the 17 IC departments. What some departments spend their budget on is not known by the public. We only get the total amount. Example, NSA for 2023 was $71.7 billion. What was it spent on. The public will never know.
Case and point. Was Burisma Holdings just a front for financing terrorist activities in Russia as Russia claims? Besides being a piggy bank for family members like Hunter and other CIA and NSA personnel. Why do we let this kind of lawlessness take place? And why do you spread disinformation about government transparency? Are you really paying attention to what is going on?
You know how the system works. The Departments will implement regulations, then congress has a period to change or discard the regulations. If that does not happen, then the regulations become law. It all boils down to who holds the house, senate, and controls the departments. Can control the clock.
For example,
The graph shows economic final rules. Notice the peak in February 2024. The reason for the peak was the clock. Those rules will not be able to be cancelled by Trump. They will have to go to congress.
That’s not true. I have talked about Burisma Holdings many times on this site. Nobody cares. If you are getting frighten, it is not me causing it.
It is just the personal feeling coming from political think tanks that gets data spread by media that seem to be the postings here. I post what I feel follows the Rule of Law and that is why you say I am attempting to frighten you. Following political objectives with a dogmatic viewpoint cannot be very progressive.
Example, a case and point today would be Gaza. The news media opacity is poor. It is a subject that should be debated. To put Gaza in line with the Rules of Law, The UN control needs to be removed. Trumps best pathway to fix the problem is to remove the US from the UN.
What I said is, you are trying to frighten people. You are already frightened by that stream of misinformation, and trying to pass it on. You are failing. You are an end result of the problem, not a solution.
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You have hit a brick wall and trying to see what sticks. I am not frightened. Face it. Your socialism goals are going to have problems if Trump gets his team working. I am a problem to communism and world globalization, because I back the Rules of Law and want the people to have power.
Trump and Musk don’t want to give the power to the people, but to the oligarchy.
Trump promised that if he was elected, the people would not have to vote anymore.
In the bureaucracy, there are many functions:
- Maintenance of public works and so
- Regulations to protect, public health, environment and so
- Social service
- Law and order
- Subsidizing and financing big busines
For instance, Musk benefits every year of milliards of $ of public subsides and order.
Trump and Musk want to suppress the three first branches, and keep the last two.
And those who oppose them will be treated as enemies of the USA.
I don’t see how this will give back the power to the people. It will give the power to the rich people, to the oligarchs.
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I didn’t expect you to say you are. I’m sure you don’t see yourself as frightened. But you are saying things that you think I should be concerned about, but those things aren’t real.
Thats such a tired and counter productive narrative, friend.
The power is already with the oligarchy a long time ago. From the media, to healthcare to education to energy production to the supreme court is all in the hands of the oligarchs
That’s funny. The two people who have given up more of their wealth than any other Americans to try and get our government to be a government by the people.
Stop whining. No need to try and twist the facts. Trump talking to a group of conservative Christians said he knew they were not big voters. But please vote in this one election so he could get the system working correctly.
Hell yes. Break up big government. Give power to the states who can control the needs of the people better at a local level.
They are not Democrats!
BBC - The US is dominated by a rich and powerful elite.
So concludes a recent study, external by Princeton University Prof Martin Gilens and Northwestern University Prof Benjamin I Page.
What you are calling an oligarch is what the Biden administration was demonstrating the characteristics of an oligarchy.
Trump never did in his administration.
It doesn’t matter how far you go back. Limbaugh was talking about stuff that many Americans were feeling already. Their feelings were 100% organic and caused by modern society.
The idea that there is a conspiracy to drive the people apart sounds like hippy talk. It reminds me of people who say that John Lennon was killed by CIA because he was a threat to “the man” and so on. It’s not how the real world works.
The world is not black and white. I do think propaganda is a real thing, and that marketing works, people’s minds can be changed, even changed to act in ways that are against their own self-interest. It’s also true that people are capable of independent thought, of questioning authority, of challenging tradition and proposing new ideas. Those ideas often do come from outsiders and from the grassroots. If you think I’m saying it’s only a top-down conspiracy, then I guess I haven’t been clear.
And saying I sound like hippy is a complement, so, thanks.
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