CC wrote: The point isn’t when is a fetus viable, or what makes a human. Get real. We kill each other all the time, and men can always justify why they kill legally.
Stardusty Psyche Responded: “Is that supposed to be some kind of rational argument? Learn how to think.”
Explain why that is not a rational argument.
Men take it upon themselves to decide under what circumstance is it okay to take a life. The excuses er justifications are many.
Explain again why shouldn’t a woman be allowed to terminate a life when she and her support system determine circumstances justify it?
Your turn to THINK and respond.
Then explain why is it the Government’s concern?
(Particularly to people what hate or at least resent every other rule our government makes except perhaps the military.)
CC wrote: It’s about respecting a woman’s right to self-defense and self-determination
Stardusty Psyche Responded at 4:06am :A living human being in utero has an equal right to self-defense and self-determination. Step one in self defense, don’t allow others to cut you into little bloody pieces because you are unwanted by them.
Why?
A living being in utero is dependent on its mother before and after birth - NO the fetus has no right to be seen as equally important to its mother. That is a politically motivated mind game set up to control others. It has nothing to do with “rights” which naturally flow to the mother upon whom the child depends for survival.
Your attitude has everything to do with male domination dependence. You project that the mother is an irrelevant - that’s hideous. Plus profoundly unnatural.
CC: it’s about appreciating that the woman holding that fetal knows more about humanity and what’s happening inside of her and any of us pompous men
Stardusty Psyche Responded at 4:06am: Your male self loathing is nauseating, grow a pair (of hemispheres, that is).
BlahBlah, is my sense of masculinity supposed to feel threatened now?
Why must you resort to such cynical romper-room head-games, are you an adult, or what, a libertarian?
This is about the fact that it’s the mother who carries that child every second from conception to birth. Have you ever been fortunate enough to share the bed with a woman who’s gone through it? Have you watched her give birth to the little one? How can you even hint that you believe you are in a position to judge a woman and her fetus and the challenges and choices she must make for her family and situation???
Why do you think the GOP has the right to dictate what a woman must do, though the GOP sure isn’t there to help support her while raising that child? Ever supported maternity leave or such? Are you in favor of school lunches, child care vouchers? What about health clinics for woman? How about Universal Healthy Care? How you feel about the Trump justifications for separating a child from her illegal parents - does that tear at your insides? etc, etc, etc,
Did you object to the Cheney Bush administration bombing the hell out of innocent homes and families and neighborhoods?
Do you actually feel you’re on some higher moral ground, then a mother facing situations and life-choices you couldn’t care less about?
Stardusty Psyche what moral standing you have compared to a mothers? Please.
CC: A woman’ right to self-determination.
Stardusty Psyche Responded at 4:06am: …is superseded by an innocent human being’s right to life.
Who made you God?
Why in God’s name do you demand that the mother loss all her rights and become your baby making machine, no matter how little the GOP will support or care for that child’s interests once born?
It’s a fetus, it must supersede various hurdles, including natural rejection and miscarriage, before it takes on the true mantle of Personhood!
The fundamental right of the woman is what you reject - you replace it with some EGO driven absolutism you hide behind the hubristic conceit that you’re “doing god’s will” - as if you, the GOP, or any other pathetic self-absorbed human has the first notion of the Universal God’s intentions. Your words are absolutist. I reject your assumptions they are not natural.
Stardusty Psyche Responded at 4:06am: The elective killing of a human being is not justified by the low socioeconomic status of the killer. Again, learn how to think.
Here you underscore how little you get it. No "Poor" was not being used in a socioeconomic manner.
But bombing the hell out of the latest nation of choice in the Middle East and other places and being the biggest Arms dealers of the world - that’s no big deal. Nothing to get upset about. A man’s thing, I ought to be proud of. Is that how it is?
But a woman having to resort to an abortion for anyone of a million reasons, a woman that you obviously couldn’t care less about, her you gotta play the high’n mighty dictator to and declare her’s the greatest sin in Christendom. Such a man!As they say.
CC: No one says it’s nice, or that it’s not killing a life.
Stardusty Psyche Responded at 4:06am: Truly bizarre, you admit that killing a living human being is destroying a person, a human life. How is that anything but murder when done with premeditation, electively, and not in defense of ones own life?
The woman says it is in defense of her life!!! Where do you get off judging what you know nothing about?
Yes, we must acknowledge that it is killing. There is justifiable homicide, if it makes you feel better understand that that is what it comes down to. And it also comes down to the GOP is not in a position to judge a woman’s life, or her defense of it.
Again, in the natural order of things a woman is more important than the fetus.
It isn’t pretty, but life isn’t always pretty. Just cause you don’t like it, tough. I absolutely don’t like our wars, but tough on me. Why should it be anymore different when it comes to woman’s affairs?
CC: He told u to grow a pair. I assume that u have had a pair for far longer than he has. He insinuated that u don’t know how to think. Obviously, from your posts over the years, you clearly do know how to think. I seem to recall him suggesting that I was a sociopath. I am quite confident that I am not a sociopath, tho perhaps I could play one on TV. Perhaps he is projecting characteristics in himself, that he doesn’t like, onto others. It is not an uncommon defense mechanism.
Your self loathing misandry has led you to a delusion of female wisdom that is not justified by the fact of so many women who do in fact kill a living human being by getting an abortion.
Women who appreciate that they are carrying a human life don’t need to be told not to kill it, they know that already and they don’t, because most women are compassionate that way, but not all.
For those women who lack either the intelligence, insight, emotional stability, empathy, or appreciation needed to realize that it is not ok to kill a living human being, we the people, by the consent of the governed, have empowered our government to take an interest in defending the lives of the defenseless innocents who would otherwise be destroyed by those unwilling to preserve innocent life. …
Agains the libertarian GOP’s dependence on reducing things to insults and name calling and trying to hit opponents below the belt and throw them off the topic.
But then you get a look into SP’s monstrous grotesque mischaracterizations of woman in general - since he’ll never acknowledge that woman from every strip and tribe find themselves facing the nightmare. None of them like, none of them do it lightly, the last thing they need is some absolutist playing dictator. But SP needs to paint them with the worst his ugly mind has to offer. His next paragraph doubles down, to reveal how totally perversely disconnected from the reality his impressions of woman facing abortion are.
Oh yeah, love hearing the GOP preach about innocence - the ruthless cynical hypocrisy is beyond me.
except that I’ve felt weird, even uncomfortable, about the title I tagged on this. But after exploring Stardusty Psyche mindscape, particularly later where PS draws a physical moral equivalence between an unborn fetus, and the victims of German Concentration Camps, that discomfort has evaporated since his arguments underscored what drove me to that title.
This successful strategy of the evangelical pick-pocketing Jesus-Pimps and the Reaganomics GOP, created the perfect brainwashing tool that the liberal classes ignored. Now we got this monstrosity of democracy full of people who actually have convinced themselves they are doing some universal god’s duty, and that abortion is a perfect vehicle for driving home their message. Then there was FOX and Kochs and still we slept. Now we got Trump. Lordie lordie what a shit show. This ain’t going to end well.
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</xml><![endif]-->“No, please don’t twist it! What I said was mentally healthy people choose to learn, I was not referring to anyone in particular, simply making an observation.”
<p class="MsoNormal">Bullshit, you put it right after your little complaint about not responding, the connection is obvious.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“using the unborn and woman in crisis as a brainwashing tool is abhorrent.”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Minuscule compared to the monstrously abhorrent practice of slaughtering viable human beings in utero that is a daily fact of American reality.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“Explain again why shouldn’t a woman be allowed to terminate a life when she and her support system determine circumstances justify it?”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Because giving blood is not generally a life threatening activity and is the very least any decent parent would do for his or her own child.What kind of scum excuse for a human being parent would not donate blood to save the life of his or her own child?Really?Do you have any children?If you withheld a blood donation for your own child I would spit on your face and curse you out at the top of my lungs.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“Your turn to THINK and respond.”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Get over yourself in your self admitted pomposity. Nobody gets to terminate a life just because their personal judgement considers it justified, how absurd, utter crackpottery from the left.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“Then explain why is it the Government’s concern?”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Because we the people have empowered our government through the consent of the governed to take an interest in defending the defenseless, first and foremost minor children.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You ask why the government should be concerned about the slaughter of viable children?You should change your handle to CitizenshipChallenged.</p>
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No, please don’t twist it! What I said was mentally healthy people choose to learn, I was not referring to anyone in particular, simply making an observation.
Bullshit, you put it right after your little complaint about not responding, the connection is obvious.
using the unborn and woman in crisis as a brainwashing tool is abhorrent.
Minuscule compared to the monstrously abhorrent practice of slaughtering viable human beings in utero that is a daily fact of American reality.
Explain again why shouldn’t a woman be allowed to terminate a life when she and her support system determine circumstances justify it?
Because giving blood is not generally a life threatening activity and is the very least any decent parent would do for his or her own child. What kind of scum excuse for a human being parent would not donate blood to save the life of his or her own child? Really? Do you have any children? If you withheld a blood donation for your own child I would spit on your face and curse you out at the top of my lungs.
Your turn to THINK and respond.
Get over yourself in your self admitted pomposity. Nobody gets to terminate a life just because their personal judgement considers it justified, how absurd, utter crackpottery from the left.
Then explain why is it the Government’s concern?
Because we the people have empowered our government through the consent of the governed to take an interest in defending the defenseless, first and foremost minor children.
You ask why the government should be concerned about the slaughter of viable children? You should change your handle to CitizenshipChallenged.
A living being in utero is dependent on its mother before and after birth – NO the fetus has no right to be seen as equally important to its mother.
So, a dependent child after birth does not have an equal right to life as his or her own mother. That is what you just said. I have a piece of advice for you, get your head out of your ass.
That is a politically motivated mind game set up to control others. It has nothing to do with “rights” which naturally flow to the mother upon whom the child depends for survival.
Yes, a child depends on his or her parents to survive. Withholding that needed sustenance is a crime of the worst sort. Yet you attempt to justify it.
You project that the mother is an irrelevant – that’s hideous.
In the words of Richard Dawkins "go away and learn how to think"
Have you watched her give birth to the little one?
Yes.
How can you even hint that you believe you are in a position to judge a woman and her fetus and the challenges and choices she must make for her family and situation???
Because I am not a self loathing, misandry speaking male, with a fantasy of female magical wisdom.
Why do you think the GOP has the right to dictate what a woman must do,
Where did that come from? Who said anything about the GOP?
Ever supported maternity leave or such? Are you in favor of school lunches, child care vouchers? What about health clinics for woman? How about Universal Healthy Care? How you feel about the Trump justifications for separating a child from her illegal parents – does that tear at your insides? etc, etc, etc,
What the hell are you ranting on about healthy care and Trump and family separations? You don't know anything about me, obviously.
Stardusty Psyche what moral standing you have compared to a mothers? Please.
The mother of my children is an immoral abuser of children, but that is neither here nor there in the question of the morality of abortion at various stages of fetal development.
No she doesn't, such cases are extremely rare, and even the most restrictive laws provide for such cases. The vast majority of abortions are elective, including the elective killings in utero of viable human beings on a daily basis here in the USA, a fact that should horrify any decent human being.
Where do you get off judging what you know nothing about?
What the hell do you know what I don't know? You are very apparently projecting your own ignorance.
There is justifiable homicide,
The vast majority of abortions have no self defense justification, again, learn how to think, first step, pull your head out of your ass.
if it makes you feel better understand that that is what it comes down to. And it also comes down to the GOP is not in a position to judge a woman’s life, or her defense of it.
I have nothing to do with the GOP. What the hell are you even ranting about?
Again, in the natural order of things a woman is more important than the fetus.
No, giving blood is not more important than staying alive.
Why should it be anymore different when it comes to woman’s affairs?
You got me on that one, I am rather fond of a woman's affairs.
Agains the libertarian GOP’s dependence on reducing things to insults and name calling and trying to hit opponents below the belt and throw them off the topic.
The GOP reference is a figment of your imagination.
Oh yeah, love hearing the GOP preach about innocence – the ruthless cynical hypocrisy is beyond me.
PS draws a physical moral equivalence between an unborn fetus, and the victims of German Concentration Camps,
Indeed I do, and the epicenter of the American Holocaust Against Unborn Human Beings is Albuquerque New Mexico, USA Southwestern Women's Options, 522 Lomas Blvd NE.
This successful strategy of the evangelical pick-pocketing Jesus-Pimps and the Reaganomics GOP,
What the hell does Jesus, Reagan, or the GOP have to do with me?
god’s duty,
Effing god. What the eff does god have to do with me?
Then there was FOX and Kochs and still we slept. Now we got Trump.
And FOX and Koch and Trump...what else?
Do you have any capacity at all to present even the shadow of a rational argument to justify the elective killing of a human being in utero?
Yeah a sociopath can be aware of their pathology, tho they probably would lie about it. Personally, I despise liars.
As far as learning how to think, that criticism could be leveled at you, since you can’t seem to fathom how your rationale is not sufficient to control the choice of a class of persons that you don’t belong to. You will never be pregnant. A fetus will never be inside YOUR body. All of the rationale that supports the idea that a fetus can be a live human, doesn’t change that.