Did the Mueller report establish "No Collusion"?

Politics and Social Issues
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“Voting battleground junk”? Trump never stopped campaigning. He never started being POTUS. He has only been President of His Voting Block (and not even an especially good President for them, tho they are in great part, too ignorant to realize it. “A thousand cuts”? How about ten thousand lies emitted by this poor excuse for a human being? Trump “getting immigration fixed”? This supposedly great deal maker has blown previous opportunities to make substantive gains in addressing immigration problems. He blew it. He can’t deal with Dems and can hardly deal with his own party. Because he sux at deal making. He doesn’t care about fixing immigration except to the extent that lots of immigrants coming in to the southern border makes him look bad. His dinky vanity project “the wall” is his easy answer to fix all things and makes his supporters pee themselves in adoration of his greatness.

Telling people to read the Mueller report is not whining. Promoting the truth, instead of hiding it, is not whining. Impeachment cannot get Trump out of office because the Trumpublicans control the Senate. I have told u that repeatedly. But if impeachment can at least expose the truth, then that may be the best we can do until he is voted out.

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You got that right about Trump never stopped campaigning. He can’t. It is not just the Dems he has had battle. The Republicans also have been trying to remove Trump. And then we have what is looking like a coup to overthrow a sitting president by government departments is now being uncovered.

Ten thousand lies. I could not even name one. And like I said, the Dems have no programs except for the New Green Deal.

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MikeYohe wrote:

You got that right about Trump never stopped campaigning. He can’t. It is not just the Dems he has had battle. The Republicans also have been trying to remove Trump. And then we have what is looking like a coup to overthrow a sitting president by government departments is now being uncovered.

Ten thousand lies. I could not even name one.

 

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LoisL:

Of course not. You wouldn’t be able to name a Trump lie if it punched you in the nose.

“According to The Washington Post’s“Fact Checker” column, President Donald Trump made his 10,000th “false or misleading claim” on April 26, 827 days into his first term. Astonishingly, the pace of his falsehoods keeps accelerating, from fewer than five per day during his first 100 days in office to an average of more than 17 per day in the week leading up to number 10,000. During a recent 45-minute telephone interviewwith Fox News’ Sean Hannity, Trump managed to utter a falsehood about once every minute.

“There is no discernible pattern to Trump’s lies. The Post found that 2,217 occurred during his rallies, 1,803 on his Twitter feed, and 999 in his speeches. He lied about the same topic—his imaginary border wall—on 160 separate occasions. Overall, the president has repeated 21 false claims 20 or more times, and more than 300 false claims at least three times. He has lied about everything from North Korea’s nuclear program to paying off porn actresses. He lies about steel millsand windmills. At his April 27 rally in Green Bay, Wisconsin, he lied about the weather forecast—though it turns out that weather-related falsehoods are surprisingly common with him. On the morning of July 26, 2018, for instance, the traveling press corps was informed that the president’s departure from Washington by helicopter had been canceled because of bad weather. Reporters looked up and saw nothing but sun and sky. In the Trump White House, it’s apparently OK to lie even about whether the sky is blue.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-lies-eric-alterman/

Yohe : And like I said, the Dems have no programs except for the New Green Deal.

LoisL: They do, but you’re blind and deaf to them, exactly as blind and deaf as you are to to Trump’s lies.

Hear no Trump lies, see no Trump lies, speak no Trump lies.

LL

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I composed a reply to a post by Mike Yohe about the Mueller report. I licked “submit” once the moment I had finished it. I received this error message from CFI Forums

ERROR: Duplicate reply detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!

—I sent it only once and it has not appeared on the blog. I tried submitting it again and got the same error message. I waited a while and accessed the blog again. It is nowhere to be found and I got the same error message.

LoisL

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It really sux when u spend time composing a good post and it disappears. It hasn’t happened very often with me, but it has happened.

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TimB

It really sux when u spend time composing a good post and it disappears. It hasn’t happened very often with me, but it has happened.

 

LoisL: It hasn’t happened to me lately but what was doubly annoying is that I was sent a completely invalid error message. Thanks for responding.

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Why not just say a 100,000,000 lies or a billion lies if you aren’t going to back anything up? Name three of the lies that bother you the most.

Who is factchecking the factcheckers?

But fact-checkers have increasingly come under attack, facing accusations of bias and partisanship that the neutral journalistic format was supposed to avoid. RE: The Washington Post

Every time I have gone to factcheckers. They have been wrong. They are bias for the most part. For example, the last time I used one. Making a trip and listening to the radio the news said Trump had claimed that wind generators caused cancer. Later, during the same trip they were playing one of Trump’s speeches. And he said the wind generator statement. But Trump did not say he thought it caused cancer. He basely said he didn’t believe it and just how far some people would go on saying things like that. I clearly understood what Trump was saying. A couple days latter it was on TV where again they were saying Trump said wind generators caused cancer. The factcheckers were backing the cancer story. No doubt they are politically bias.

It is sad that we have people who don’t understand American jest and that people will twist jest for political advantage.

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So, Mike, we can’t all happen to be in our cars when a speech comes on the radio, so the way a fact checker gains credibility is that they consistently quote the actual source and provide any additional information, like how you get cancer. What you did here is say, “I heard it and this is what I think.” That’s not facts, that’s your opinion. So, here’s what Trump said,

Trump, April 2: Hillary wanted to put up wind. Wind. If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer, you tell me that one, okay?
Tell me how this is not Trump saying windmills cause cancer and property values to go down. His source is "they", which is a terrible source, but it's the source he's claiming.

 

 

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Russia had no influence on election.

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  1. Russia, ukraine, chile, iraq, australia, Venezuela, Honduras, greece, brazil, Guatemala off the top of my head
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Please flesh out a couple of those or post links to support your claim that the US interfered in elections in those countries the way Russia interfered in out 2016 election to get Trump elected.

Russia had influence on the election. We don’t know whether the influence was enuf to tip the balance to the outcome. Tho it very probably was. Sure there were a lot of other factors that may have contributed to tipping the balance in that election. Without any one of those factors, the balance might have gone the other way.

But regardless of that, and even regardless of whether the US may have attempted something similar elsewhere, it is not something that should be allowed to stand. Ignoring the Russian interference, pretending it had no effect, calling it a hoax, and calling any attention drawn to it a “witch hunt”, using a denial talking point name for it “Russiagate”, are all part of the attempt to let the Russian interference stand, ignored, and allowed to continue.

Now who would that benefit? oh yeah, Russia and Trump, to name the most obvious

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Mike someone could write down each of Trump’s 10K and counting lies on slips of paper and stick each one in your ear, and you still wouldn’t get it. Trump is a liar and a scammer on the scale never seen before, or likely ever again, in a POTUS.

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Tim b - why do you want a war with russia?

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Also iran in 1953

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Lausten,

And they say the noise causes cancer, you tell me that one, okay?

 

Simple.

“Trust me.”

“Marry you, you bet I will.”

“sure thing.”

“the check is in the mail.”

“you can’t go wrong.”

“You tell me that one.”

“You’re bad.”

“You can count on it.”

“God dam.”

“Hurt me some more.”

“Can you take a little longer.”

Above are a few remarks off the top of my head. Now, come on. The proof is in the pudding of how it was said. Just listen to how your president said the statement. According to fact check, did I just tell a bunch of lies. Or did I use American jest remarks? Did you literally go and look inside of a bowl of pudding for the proof or did you get the jest of what I said? Are you going to tell me that the Fact Checkers did not know the president was talking figuratively? So, which is it? Are the Fact Checkers dumber than a door nail or are they bias? In a factory or a working man’s site, if a Fact Checker made the same conclusion, his mind would be changed by the time he got up off the ground.

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Tim,

Just how are you going to prove any interference was Russian? George Papadopoulos had to spend time in jail by Mueller. He met and talked to Russian agents Stefan Halper and had a pretty female Russian agent making advances to him.

Alexander Downer an Australian diplomat who got the Clinton Foundation $25M was talking to George at a London bar. This was the reason for the Russian counterintelligence probe. Downer was wanting to know about his contact with Russian national Maltese professor Joseph Mifsud.

George was sentenced to 14 days’ prison for lying to the FBI about his contact with Russian nationals and Maltese professor Joseph Mifsud.

Downer was reporting directly to the US embassy in London. Downer will not say if he was spying on George.

Mifsud told George he had dirt on Trump.

Mifsud is linked to Russia. Mueller’s report says Mifsud lied to the FBI regarding George.

Who is Mifsud? He has connections to western intelligence. Lied to the FBI and the FBI is not wanting to charge him. Mifsud gave unsolicited info to George. Why? Mifsud introduced George to President Vladimir Putin niece, Olga Vinagradova. Olga real name is Olga Polonskaya and she is not related to Putin.

Mifsud had a problem. Which was the Trump dirt he gave to George was not being passed on. George was now working for the Trump campaign and did not pass the dirt to the campaign as expected.

In comes Downer to say George was drinking with him and said that Russia might release the Trump information. Thus, the grounds for the investigation. WikiLeaks picked up from the DNC’s emails that the bureau had just opened its counterintelligence investigation, Crossfire Hurricane after Downer’s meeting with George.

Professor Halper gives George a flight to London and wants to give George $3K to write a policy paper. To get George in London.

Mueller said Mifsud lied about how many meetings he had with George. Mifsud has not been seen since October 2017.

Mifsud was staying at a place in Italy owned by Link University. Link says it does not know where Mifsud is. Link is said to be a training campus for intelligence agencies for western spies. Mifsud’s job was to train diplomats and intelligence officers. Does that sound to you like a Russian agent?

Rudy Giuliani claims Mifsud is a counterintelligence guy.

Mueller says Mifsud maintained contact with (redacted person) of the Internet Research Agency, a Russian troll farm based in Saint Petersburg.

The Russian internet trolling sounds like it may be connected to our counterintelligence guy. This whole operation may end up being a American Deep State operation.

Tim, you might want to hold off on your Russia interference claims as all this Deep State stuff comes into the sunlight.

Note, Mueller allegedly detained a Russian lawyer with ties to Mifsud. And it was not in the report.

Note, Mifsud lawyer Stephan Roh published a book speculating that both Mifsud and Papadopoulos were pawns of the Western intelligence community and had been enlisted in a conspiracy to create the appearance that the Trump campaign had cooperated with the Russian government.

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Mike someone could write down each of Trump’s 10K and counting lies on slips of paper and stick each one in your ear, and you still wouldn’t get it. Trump is a liar and a scammer on the scale never seen before, or likely ever again, in a POTUS.

Tim, you like the Christmas present wrappings don’t you. If a present, came with brown paper wrapping you would not like it. That is all you got, wrapping. I am interested on what is inside. Obama was great wrapping. America can not afford any more of that fancy wrapping.

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Are you going to tell me that the Fact Checkers did not know the president was talking figuratively?
Yes, I'm telling you that, literally. Explain how that is figurative. Especially given that he has made references to wind mills causing cancer before. "he will fight like a caged tiger" is a figurative statement, I know the person is not actually a tiger. The examples you gave were mostly common promises that go unkept, so I don't know what you're trying to say there. Using "cancer" figuratively would mean some sort of bad or uncurable disease, that's about as far as I can stretch this, and windmills don't cause any disease, so, explain. Or, if it's figuratively not a disease, or property values, what is he figuratively saying? He's saying wind mills are bad somehow, why wouldn't he say how they are literally bad if he believes that they are?
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Mike, wrapping paper? Trump is rotten to the core. He is a flaming narcissist with no integrity except in the dedication that he has for himself.

The Deep State is a made up propaganda narrative. Period.

The following is directly from the Mueller report:

Russia IRA controlled multiple Facebook groups and Instagram accounts that had hundreds of thousands of US participants. IRA controlled twitter accounts had 10’s of thousands of followers, including US political figures who re-tweeted IRA content. Facebook estimated that the IRA reached 126 million people thru their Facebook accounts. At one point Twitter identified 3,814 IRA controlled accounts that they thought may have been in contact with as many as 1.4 million Twitter users.

That is one small aspect of the social media campaign evidenced in the Mueller report. There is so much more of what the Russians did.

But clearly you are disregarding the Mueller report and coming up with some weird right wing conspiracy narrative, with “info” that you don’t say where it came from. Someone’s butt maybe?

 

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Player, You asked why I want a war with Russia. That is a nonsense question. I want Russia to stop F’ing with our internal affairs. They will not stop F’ing with us as long as most Americans stick their heads in the sand and pretend it’s not happening. And why should they stop? Their objectives are being met. If anything, they will increase their efforts.